Arizonans with concealed weapons permits allowed to bring guns in bars starting Wednesday

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.

The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".

Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.

Go fuck yourself you ignorant fascist piece of shit. You want my gun, come and get it asshole.

Now I feel better.

How is that fascist? Explain to me how not being a chickenshit scared little twat who needs protection when you go outside of your house means that i am a fascist?

I don't want your pussy arsed little plinker, i don't give a shit if you carry it or not, i really don't, i'm just glad that in it's not allowed for unstable human beings such as yourself to do that in the nation where i live.

Shouldn't you be cowering in a corner armed up to your ears somewhere?

I think we know who is unstable here. You can't even carry on a conversation without spouting insults, lies, swears, etc. I'm concerned that the Brits think you are stable enough to carry a rifle. Besides, if you are so tough, why did you need all those automatic weapons in Afghanistan? Candyass coward.. why not just a big knife and a stance of dominance?

Of course you are, that the Brits had the first team on the ground in both Afghanistan and Iraq must bug you to no end.

Why did i need my G3 in Afghanistan? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? It was a war zone and we were the first to go in.

Is the US a war zone? THINK for the love of god you stupid fuck, THINK!

I don't care WHO was on the ground first in Afghanistan or Iraq. I respect the people who have gone there and will go there regardless of when they got there. If the Brits got there first then more power to you, thanks for the service, I hope no harm comes to all of you fighting for our countries.

Of course you needed your automatic weapon in Afghanistan.. :roll: But you seem to be so tough that a big knife a stick of chewing gum would have been enough so someone as badass as you are.

Of course the U.S. isn't a war zone - But I don't see what the point of that statement is in regards to defensive handguns?

I think he is referring to the fact that the British military was active in Afghanistan 1839 to 1842.

First Anglo-Afghan War

 

[daishi5]

Ok, so it turns out several states already allow guns in bars, such as Oregon? If this is a bad idea, and it will cause people to die, how many people has it killed in Oregon? If this is a bad idea, surely there is proof, would anyone who is so sure this will end in blood please point me to some of this proof? I would love to point you all to an article about a man walking into a bar with a concealed weapon and then leaving without hurting anyone, but it turns out the newspapers usually don't think that is very interesting.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Why did i need my G3 in Afghanistan? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? It was a war zone and we were the first to go in.

And what were you doing with an antique, non-standard issue weapon like the G3?

Since 1985, the current British small arms family is the SA80 (A2) series with the L85A2 Individual Weapon being standard issue. And before that, standard issue was the L1A1 SLR, a FN FAL design.

The G3 series was never adopted for general use by the Brits and the few special purpose variants bought by the British government saw only very limited service with 14 Intelligence Company (now SRR) / SAS and SBS, back in the 1980's.

BTW, what IS the color of the boat house at Hereford?

:disgust:

You wanker.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: daishi5
Ok, so it turns out several states already allow guns in bars, such as Oregon? If this is a bad idea, and it will cause people to die, how many people has it killed in Oregon? If this is a bad idea, surely there is proof, would anyone who is so sure this will end in blood please point me to some of this proof? I would love to point you all to an article about a man walking into a bar with a concealed weapon and then leaving without hurting anyone, but it turns out the newspapers usually don't think that is very interesting.

Don't forget that in many states (like Washington) it's legal to carry while drinking/drunk too.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: daishi5
Ok, so it turns out several states already allow guns in bars, such as Oregon? If this is a bad idea, and it will cause people to die, how many people has it killed in Oregon? If this is a bad idea, surely there is proof, would anyone who is so sure this will end in blood please point me to some of this proof? I would love to point you all to an article about a man walking into a bar with a concealed weapon and then leaving without hurting anyone, but it turns out the newspapers usually don't think that is very interesting.

Don't forget that in many states (like Washington) it's legal to carry while drinking/drunk too.

Really? I did not know that. I thought Arizona was trying something new, and I was slightly worried that they might have crossed a line that would go badly. I was willing to wait to see how it turned out, rather than predict gloom and doom. Turns out, this will be no big deal.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: daishi5
Ok, so it turns out several states already allow guns in bars, such as Oregon? If this is a bad idea, and it will cause people to die, how many people has it killed in Oregon? If this is a bad idea, surely there is proof, would anyone who is so sure this will end in blood please point me to some of this proof? I would love to point you all to an article about a man walking into a bar with a concealed weapon and then leaving without hurting anyone, but it turns out the newspapers usually don't think that is very interesting.

Don't forget that in many states (like Washington) it's legal to carry while drinking/drunk too.

Really? I did not know that. I thought Arizona was trying something new, and I was slightly worried that they might have crossed a line that would go badly. I was willing to wait to see how it turned out, rather than predict gloom and doom. Turns out, this will be no big deal.

I don't think Florida specifies a specific BAC for concealed carry either. I'd have to check the laws specifically but I think you can basically be as drunk as you want, as long as you don't do anything stupid with the gun. If you USE the gun or BRANDISH it, being under the influence can be used against you.. But if your drunk and someone tries to mug you, I don't think it matters.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Hopefully Florida will follow suit so Harvey will stay out of my state as well.

Don't worry about it. If you're there, that's enough to keep me away, even without the other armed drunks. :laugh:

Whew. I'll alert the women and children its safe here now. :laugh:

The women and children of Florida will be fine. The little boys of Florida should be VER-R-R-RY afraid! :shocked:

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Hopefully Florida will follow suit so Harvey will stay out of my state as well.

Don't worry about it. If you're there, that's enough to keep me away, even without the other armed drunks. :laugh:

Whew. I'll alert the women and children its safe here now. :laugh:

The women and children of Florida will be fine. The little boys of Florida should be VER-R-R-RY afraid! :shocked:

2006 called - It wants its left-wing attack back.

 

[kage69]

Actually your head is firmly up your ass.

Unwarranted insult duly noted. Great way to start out btw.

There are a number of states that allow carrying in bars and even drinking while carrying, but NONE of them have any problems with people because of it. NONE OF THEM.

Links? I'm willing to look at whatever it is you consider absolute proof here. I realize things are a bit different out West, but your lack of manners and zero supporting evidence don't really compel me to disregard personal experience on what poor partners alcohol and weapons are. To me the absence of previous problems doesn't equate the absence of danger. George Sodini had an immaculate record with no priors, and a properly obtained CCW license along with legal sidearms. And went on to commit mass murder.

Police are more likely to commit crimes than are concealed weapon holders, so there is absolutely NO logical, supportable reason not to allow them to carry any damn place they please.

A disturbing notion that is probably true, do feel free to back that up with a link or two though. I'd be interested in seeing what number you're comparing to the 800,000 or so fulltime law officers in this country.

There seems to be a little confusion as to my standpoint so allow me to surmise it:

I feel guns and alcohol should be kept far, far away from each other. I also don't feel that the CCW permit conveys an automatic respect for law or the well-being of others. We've had three separate mass shootings this year alone by CCW holders - any cops you know of that fit in that group?

I'd like to see the establishment management be the ones with CCW for keeping the peace. What I hope I don't see is tough-guy wannabes jumping at the chance to break up fights with the show of a gun, only to accidentally squeeze off a few into a group of people nearby (for instance).

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So your argument is that people will break one law but not the other?

No, my argument is that people cannot always be trusted to do the right thing, and that the consequences could be severe when you add to the equation an agent which is renowned for interfering with sound decision making and civil behavior. Gunpowder and lead up the ante.

How many murders are committed by people with a concealed weapons permit in Arizona every year?

In Arizona? I have no idea. There have however been a number of murders this year around the country committed by CCW holders. Last Spring Rich Poplawski ambushed 4 cops in Pittsburgh, and I know there was a bad one in Alabama too. And, as I already provided above, the sick bastard who went on a Women's Gym killing spree awhile ago, George Sodini. Like I said earlier, I know it's different out West, so the results could be entirely different were the state Michigan, Georgia, whatever...

I do understand your point but if you are concerned about saving lives your time can be much better spent elsewhere.

I am commenting on the thread's topic, not trying to start some awareness program here. Let me worry about how best to spend my time. Judging by my join date and post count, I'd say your concern is unwarranted.

Matter of fact, if you are truly interested in actually saving lives I would be happy to put you in touch with a few organizations I am involved with that do just that.

Well the fact of the matter would be that I didn't actually say I was, but thank you all the same. Between UNICEF and some Veteran's Assistance programs, I feel my donations and time are well spent.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.

The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".

Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.

LOL, I'm for gunrights all the way but if I felt I needed to carry a gun to enter a bar then I'm going to the wrong bar. I want to go to a place like Cheers where the worst that cam happen is you lose an argument to Cliff. :laugh:

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.

The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".

Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.

LOL, I'm for gunrights all the way but if I felt I needed to carry a gun to enter a bar then I'm going to the wrong bar. I want to go to a place like Cheers where the worst that cam happen is you lose an argument to Cliff. :laugh:

If you actually read his posts you will soon discover that John likely is a long retired, bitter British version of Cliff, but without any discernible sense of humor. Or maybe he just posts when he is good and drunk and imagines himself to be a modern Flashman.

Lately, I am starting to visualize him as a particularly nasty incarnation of the "Mr. Humphries" character played by Frederick John Inman in Are You Being Served?

And you are right. If you walk into the kind of bar where you anticipate that you will need to use your weapon, you are likely to, sooner or later.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Why did i need my G3 in Afghanistan? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? It was a war zone and we were the first to go in.

And what were you doing with an antique, non-standard issue weapon like the G3?

Since 1985, the current British small arms family is the SA80 (A2) series with the L85A2 Individual Weapon being standard issue. And before that, standard issue was the L1A1 SLR, a FN FAL design.

The G3 series was never adopted for general use by the Brits and the few special purpose variants bought by the British government saw only very limited service with 14 Intelligence Company (now SRR) / SAS and SBS, back in the 1980's.

BTW, what IS the color of the boat house at Hereford?

:disgust:

You wanker.

Are you speaking to the one on the Wye? That one is unpainted and not used now a days.. The Stourport club I guess is called "The Boathouse" was red not sure now.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Why did i need my G3 in Afghanistan? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? It was a war zone and we were the first to go in.

And what were you doing with an antique, non-standard issue weapon like the G3?

Since 1985, the current British small arms family is the SA80 (A2) series with the L85A2 Individual Weapon being standard issue. And before that, standard issue was the L1A1 SLR, a FN FAL design.

The G3 series was never adopted for general use by the Brits and the few special purpose variants bought by the British government saw only very limited service with 14 Intelligence Company (now SRR) / SAS and SBS, back in the 1980's.

BTW, what IS the color of the boat house at Hereford?

:disgust:

You wanker.

Are you speaking to the one on the Wye? That one is unpainted and not used now a days.. The Stourport club I guess is called "The Boathouse" was red not sure now.

:laugh:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.

The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".

Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.

So what you mean is your so fearful of firearms that you wish to see no one around you have them?? Whos really the scared one......

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.

The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".

Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.

So what you mean is your so fearful of firearms that you wish to see no one around you have them?? Whos really the scared one......

So you aren't fearful of firearms?

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

So you aren't fearful of firearms?

No.

 

[Tab]

I thought it was quite asinine to allow CCs to carry every where but schools, churches and bars. If I were president I'd allow the everywhere, unless of course the establishment doesn't want to permit them.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
We did this in VT, and drank too. Never shot anyone.

Why would you carry a gun to a bar, in case you get into a fight?

Maybe the person with a CC was an witness for a crime? Maybe they have a stalker? Maybe they were in law enforcement and got some people in trouble?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: kage69

Actually your head is firmly up your ass.

Unwarranted insult duly noted. Great way to start out btw.

There are a number of states that allow carrying in bars and even drinking while carrying, but NONE of them have any problems with people because of it. NONE OF THEM.

Links? I'm willing to look at whatever it is you consider absolute proof here. I realize things are a bit different out West, but your lack of manners and zero supporting evidence don't really compel me to disregard personal experience on what poor partners alcohol and weapons are. To me the absence of previous problems doesn't equate the absence of danger. George Sodini had an immaculate record with no priors, and a properly obtained CCW license along with legal sidearms. And went on to commit mass murder.

Police are more likely to commit crimes than are concealed weapon holders, so there is absolutely NO logical, supportable reason not to allow them to carry any damn place they please.

A disturbing notion that is probably true, do feel free to back that up with a link or two though. I'd be interested in seeing what number you're comparing to the 800,000 or so fulltime law officers in this country.

There seems to be a little confusion as to my standpoint so allow me to surmise it:

I feel guns and alcohol should be kept far, far away from each other. I also don't feel that the CCW permit conveys an automatic respect for law or the well-being of others. We've had three separate mass shootings this year alone by CCW holders - any cops you know of that fit in that group?

I'd like to see the establishment management be the ones with CCW for keeping the peace. What I hope I don't see is tough-guy wannabes jumping at the chance to break up fights with the show of a gun, only to accidentally squeeze off a few into a group of people nearby (for instance).

-----------------------------------------------------------

So your argument is that people will break one law but not the other?

No, my argument is that people cannot always be trusted to do the right thing, and that the consequences could be severe when you add to the equation an agent which is renowned for interfering with sound decision making and civil behavior. Gunpowder and lead up the ante.

How many murders are committed by people with a concealed weapons permit in Arizona every year?

In Arizona? I have no idea. There have however been a number of murders this year around the country committed by CCW holders. Last Spring Rich Poplawski ambushed 4 cops in Pittsburgh, and I know there was a bad one in Alabama too. And, as I already provided above, the sick bastard who went on a Women's Gym killing spree awhile ago, George Sodini. Like I said earlier, I know it's different out West, so the results could be entirely different were the state Michigan, Georgia, whatever...

I do understand your point but if you are concerned about saving lives your time can be much better spent elsewhere.

I am commenting on the thread's topic, not trying to start some awareness program here. Let me worry about how best to spend my time. Judging by my join date and post count, I'd say your concern is unwarranted.

Matter of fact, if you are truly interested in actually saving lives I would be happy to put you in touch with a few organizations I am involved with that do just that.

Well the fact of the matter would be that I didn't actually say I was, but thank you all the same. Between UNICEF and some Veteran's Assistance programs, I feel my donations and time are well spent.

Obviously I'm not going to waste time trying to prove a negative, but:

Allows carrying (some open, some concealed) while drinking or even sometimes drunk: North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Utah (up to legal intoxication limit), Washington, Minnesota, Oregon, and a bunch more besides that I'm too tired to look up right now.

Allows carrying into restaurants with alcohol or sometimes bars: 37 states (feel free to google it yourself, or use this site or take the word of a number of news stories that all agree on that point which you can also google)

Now, you go ahead and find EVERY instance of a concealed permit holder doing something bad, and figure out the percentage based on about 250,000 per state with permits (that's an average, some states are much higher, some lower) over the last 30 years. What you'll find is that it's a VERY VERY small number. If you consider that small of a number a 'problem' then I think you're an idiot, but it's up to you.

The following provide information on concealed carry crime statistics, including a few that draw the law enforcement comparison:

*Florida Department of State, ?Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report,? 1998
*Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express-News, September 2000
*FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, 2004 - excludes Hawaii and Rhode Island - small populations and geographic isolation create other determinants to violent crime.
*John Lott and David Mustard, ?Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,? Journal of Legal Studies (v.26, no.1, pages 1-68, January 1997)
* William E. Sturdevant, ?An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population,?
September 1, 2000
*"D.C. Police Paying for Hiring Binge," Washington Post, 8/28/94

 

[bob4432]

man, you people that have not been raised in a free state and around firearms sure do get your panties in a bunch over what is basically a non-issue.

and about the texas comment, i believe AZ guns laws are more relaxed then texas, i think there are only 2 states that have more leniant gun laws than us, but it is late and i can't remember them at the moment, but they allow non-permit concealed carry - something that was recently voted down here, this time. it will come up again and probably pass.

as gun laws are made more lax, crime will not go up but down. just time for the rest of the country to realize this.

 

[miketheidiot]

you've got to be kidding me, this has bad news all over it.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Well it seems that all an owner has to do is hang a sign if they don't like it. I agree, it is a good day for freedom when you can carry into a bar so long as the owner allows it and doesn't serve you booze.

But of course its ok to walk into a bar when you have a valid drivers license, car keys in your pocket and a car in the parking lot and expect a drink right?

I'm sure you are trying to make a point here, it simply went 404.

Its simple.
You believe its not ok for someone to walk into a bar with a firearm and be served a drink, however it IS ok to walk into a bar with a valid drivers license and a car and be served a drink.

In other words you are basing your decisions on emotional feel good bullshit and not logical fact. I wouldnt trust someone piss drunk with a firearm anymore then I would trust them with a set of car keys and yet you will immediately shout your objections to the one carrying the pistol......

driving while drunk is illegal though, apparently wielding a weapon is not.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Well it seems that all an owner has to do is hang a sign if they don't like it. I agree, it is a good day for freedom when you can carry into a bar so long as the owner allows it and doesn't serve you booze.

But of course its ok to walk into a bar when you have a valid drivers license, car keys in your pocket and a car in the parking lot and expect a drink right?

I'm sure you are trying to make a point here, it simply went 404.

Its simple.
You believe its not ok for someone to walk into a bar with a firearm and be served a drink, however it IS ok to walk into a bar with a valid drivers license and a car and be served a drink.

In other words you are basing your decisions on emotional feel good bullshit and not logical fact. I wouldnt trust someone piss drunk with a firearm anymore then I would trust them with a set of car keys and yet you will immediately shout your objections to the one carrying the pistol......

driving while drunk is illegal though, apparently wielding a weapon is not.

Wielding very well may be. CARRYING is not, which is only logical.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Arizonans with concealed weapons permits allowed to bring guns in bars starting Wednesday - ? [Bartender Randy] hields still worries about a new Arizona law that goes into effect Wednesday that will allow guns into Arizona bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

Under the law, backed by the National Rifle Association, the 138,350 people with concealed-weapons permits in Arizona will be allowed to bring their guns into bars and restaurants that haven't posted signs banning them.

Those carrying the weapons aren't allowed to drink alcohol.

The new law has Shields and other bar owners and workers wondering: What's going to happen when guns are allowed in an atmosphere filled with booze and people with impaired judgment?

It is a good day for freedom

awesome...less bar fights!

too bad they don't do that here in Ohio....I would probably go into bars more often.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.

The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".

Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.

You seriously need to stop with the macho bullshit. Crime occurs. Even in the BEST neighborhoods people are mugged. Get into more urban areas and its even more common. Which utopia do you live in exactly where crime does not occur?

Oh thats right, I forget you are such a badass they could drop you into Osama's hideout with nothing more than a toothpick, a pair of toenail clippers, and a plastic bag and you would kill them all with your bare hands. :roll:

I carry because its my RIGHT to carry. And I value my life and the life of my family. I will likely never have to draw my gun EVER in my lifetime.. as is the case with most people with concealed carry permits. If one day however, lightning strikes and I need it, I would rather have a fighting chance than to simply be a victim.

By all means though feel free to simply bow down, hand over you wallet, jewelry, and wife over to an attacker if it ever happens and hope he decides to be kind. Maybe if you remind him of your badassery it will help?

I lived for years in downtown Philadelphia. I never carried a gun. I never was mugged. I am not a particularly scary looking person, either. Do people get mugged in Philly? Yes. Is it REALLY that frequent an occurrence? No. If you carry yourself properly and don't go into the worse ghettos is there a perceivable chance of it being you? No.

I am not anti gun, and I am not against the right of people to have guns. However, people that spout fear-mongering bullshit that they HAVE to have a gun for protection are kidding themselves.

Tell that to the millions that have already used them to save themselves. I want you to man up and say it to the face of a grandma that stops a mugging, or a woman who stops her rapist. I dare you.

Jesus, what a pussy. Whatever you have to tell yourself, Rambo.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.

The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".

Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.

You seriously need to stop with the macho bullshit. Crime occurs. Even in the BEST neighborhoods people are mugged. Get into more urban areas and its even more common. Which utopia do you live in exactly where crime does not occur?

Oh thats right, I forget you are such a badass they could drop you into Osama's hideout with nothing more than a toothpick, a pair of toenail clippers, and a plastic bag and you would kill them all with your bare hands. :roll:

I carry because its my RIGHT to carry. And I value my life and the life of my family. I will likely never have to draw my gun EVER in my lifetime.. as is the case with most people with concealed carry permits. If one day however, lightning strikes and I need it, I would rather have a fighting chance than to simply be a victim.

By all means though feel free to simply bow down, hand over you wallet, jewelry, and wife over to an attacker if it ever happens and hope he decides to be kind. Maybe if you remind him of your badassery it will help?

I lived for years in downtown Philadelphia. I never carried a gun. I never was mugged. I am not a particularly scary looking person, either. Do people get mugged in Philly? Yes. Is it REALLY that frequent an occurrence? No. If you carry yourself properly and don't go into the worse ghettos is there a perceivable chance of it being you? No.

I am not anti gun, and I am not against the right of people to have guns. However, people that spout fear-mongering bullshit that they HAVE to have a gun for protection are kidding themselves.

Tell that to the millions that have already used them to save themselves. I want you to man up and say it to the face of a grandma that stops a mugging, or a woman who stops her rapist. I dare you.

Jesus, what a pussy. Whatever you have to tell yourself, Rambo.

You can use fear to rationalize a lot of things