They have passed laws in other states that allow CC in restaurant's that serve alcohol and we were going to have people shooting each other there as well. Nothing happened. This is a new place for cc, but the scare mongering is the same. Does anyone have any real evidence that this is a bad idea, because I have not seen anything presented yet but "fear" and "common sense."
How about we turn that argument around. If AZ is not having problems with guns IN bars, why not allow them?
JohnOfSheffield
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If i was so chickenshit scared of entering an establishment that i'd thought i'd need a gun to feel safe then i would simply not go there.
The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".
Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.
The threads about this shit on here are ridiculous, "where do i carry my gun when i go out jogging", "where do i carry extra clips" and now "omg i can finally have a drink, i have been cowering in the couch with my trusty gun for a long time".
Seriously, where the FUCK do you people live? Baghdad? Shape the fuck up and stop being so chickenshit scared all of your waking hours. If i'd feel the need to carry a weapon i'd move the fuck out of the war zone.
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I think there's a an obvious potential for problems.
I'm not sure how you turned around my argument. I said problems with 'criminals'. CC is for your (or others) protection. IMO, if I don't need protection I don't carry (I have a CC permit).
I don't get the logic anyway: I might be in danger at a bar, but instead of not going to that bar (the obvious solution), I'm going to go but not drink so I can carry my gun. WTH? I don't wanna go to a bar if I can't drink anyway.
Fern
Thats absolutely right. As a matter of fact, in the State of Florida, you are allowed to enter a restaurant that servers alcohol _AND_ consume alcohol while carrying a gun. A long as you are not in the "bar" of the restaurant.
Any rash of people shooting each other in restaurants in FL?
Where do you live that there are no criminals to defend yourself from? Not that I want to move there, but there might be some criminals reading who would for the lack of competition and armed victims.
If you don't think bikers currently carry guns you are living in a fantasy land. I know 2 former 1%er biker gang guys.. believe me, they WERE carrying, and they still do.. regardless if it was legal or not. All this law does is allow legal permit holders to defend themselves if necessary.
I've gone to bars with my wife where we've agreed she would drink and I would not, or vice versa... if one of us had to drive. I know personal responsibility is a bit foreign to some people, but those of us who carry guns usually take it seriously do the right things in OTHER areas of legality as well.
JohnOfSheffield
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When i am home i live in Sheffield and i have never had a problem, not even when i lived in Brixton except maybe the occasional fight.
Where the fuck do you live? Bagram?
If i actually was so scared that i'd feel a need to carry any of my guns at home i wouldn't live there.
How about your fucking kids? Are they allowed to be armed or do you follow them around all day and all night carrying? Or don't they matter all that much to you so you don't have to protect them when they are out of the house?
How about mines, you should probably get some, and some LAW's in case the burglers come in a fucking tank. Or you can just cower in a bunker while the rest of the fucking world goes about their business unarmed and unafraid.
You seriously need to stop with the macho bullshit. Crime occurs. Even in the BEST neighborhoods people are mugged. Get into more urban areas and its even more common. Which utopia do you live in exactly where crime does not occur?
Oh thats right, I forget you are such a badass they could drop you into Osama's hideout with nothing more than a toothpick, a pair of toenail clippers, and a plastic bag and you would kill them all with your bare hands. :roll:
I carry because its my RIGHT to carry. And I value my life and the life of my family. I will likely never have to draw my gun EVER in my lifetime.. as is the case with most people with concealed carry permits. If one day however, lightning strikes and I need it, I would rather have a fighting chance than to simply be a victim.
By all means though feel free to simply bow down, hand over you wallet, jewelry, and wife over to an attacker if it ever happens and hope he decides to be kind. Maybe if you remind him of your badassery it will help?
Agreed, though the whole no drinking thing is bogus. I've always appreciated being able to carry in bars when in Oregon. One of the main reasons I go across the border so often.
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JohnOfSheffield
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OMG, crime occurs, i need a bazoooka that fits in my jogging shorts!
It's not macho, it's just that the rest of the world don't need it, you do because you are so scared all of the time. Freaked out and cowering like puppies with your trusty guns.
I honestly think it's pathetic.
Originally posted by: kage69
And a bad day for common sense...
Loudmouth soup and ballistic weapons mixed together in a confined area, what could go wrong? Common courtesy dictates you remove your hat when entering an establishment, while actual laws in many states prevent you from entering with a cigarette or lighting one up within establishments. Why on earth should firearms be treated differently? Is getting good service in Arizona really that hard?Are Arizonans so overwhelmed by the latent sexual tension and underlying gender competition of a party atmosphere they need the presence of cold steel to partake in the festivities? Forgive me if the caveat of weapon carriers not being allowed to drink doesn't assuage my concerns. Too many friends of mine with CC permits view pat downs and such as a violation of rights and dignity, and certainly anathema to the whole concept of concealment.
As a gun rights supporter, I wish my cordite-scented friends would stop trying to bring back the Wild West. Allowing opened mini-kegs within moving vehicles might a grand notion of freedom - doesn't mean it's a good idea though.
Actually your head is firmly up your ass. There are a number of states that allow carrying in bars and even drinking while carrying, but NONE of them have any problems with people because of it. NONE OF THEM. Police are more likely to commit crimes than are concealed weapon holders, so there is absolutely NO logical, supportable reason not to allow them to carry any damn place they please.
The reasons firearms are different are:
1) You have Federal Constitution, State Constitution, and Statutory guarantees on your right to your firearm. The same is not true of courtesy issues.
2) Your firearm can save your life, and frequently does. The same is not true of cigarettes.
Originally posted by: kage69
Sorry, but that is not a given. Rules get bent and sometimes ignored. What if the carrier does his drinking earlier, outside the establishment? Are we adding sobriety checks to the list, next to the pat-downs that may or may not be happening?
Too much reliance on good intentions, and too little acknowledgment of what could certainly go wrong in a hurry.
Someone will probably die over this.
So your argument is that people will break one law but not the other?
How many murders are committed by people with a concealed weapons permit in Arizona every year? I do understand your point but if you are concerned about saving lives your time can be much better spent elsewhere. Matter of fact, if you are truly interested in actually saving lives I would be happy to put you in touch with a few organizations I am involved with that do just that.
JohnOfSheffield
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Oh people did get shot in there but much like me, you avoided that.
The US isn't like VT during war though, is it? Not that i'd care, i've got people with full auto's around me at all times here.
Go fuck yourself you ignorant fascist piece of shit. You want my gun, come and get it asshole.
Now I feel better.
It's no more or less dangerous than any place else, but crime DOES happen. If you don't want to be prepared to deal with it, that's your right. I think you're stupid, but that's your right too. You do NOT have the right to tell me that I can't be prepared however. And yes, I've had to draw before, just like millions upon millions of other Americans.
JohnOfSheffield
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As a soldier you are personally responsible for your equipment, you do not let it leave your sight. (you carry it at all times)
Who said anything about a bazooka, law, or landmine? Only YOU. We are talking about handguns. Maybe you could go back to the crayons and the coloring book and let the adults discuss this issue? Nobody expects a Brit who has already given up most of his rights to understand.. Besides, you will be living under Sharia law soon anyway.
Deeko
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I lived for years in downtown Philadelphia. I never carried a gun. I never was mugged. I am not a particularly scary looking person, either. Do people get mugged in Philly? Yes. Is it REALLY that frequent an occurrence? No. If you carry yourself properly and don't go into the worse ghettos is there a perceivable chance of it being you? No.
I am not anti gun, and I am not against the right of people to have guns. However, people that spout fear-mongering bullshit that they HAVE to have a gun for protection are kidding themselves.
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