Arizona signs immigration bill into law

[GuitarDaddy]

I know its 11 pages, but your answers are not only in this thread, but in the bill.

Actually it's 17 pages and it DOES NOT definatively answer the questions I posed. Please direct me to the sections that answer my questions.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Its funny to watch them spew shit thats answered in the bill

It's even funnier watching people that have claimed to read it, but don't know how many pages are in the bill, or provide a link.

Try actually linking the bill and referencing the actual text, not some BS article

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Actually it's 17 pages and it DOES NOT definatively answer the questions I posed. Please direct me to the sections that answer my questions.

You clearly have not read the bill. You don't even have to get into page 2 very far before both of your questions are answered. If you've gone past page 1 (not i) and haven't had your first question answered - you can't read.

 

[blackangst1]

Actually it's 17 pages and it DOES NOT definatively answer the questions I posed. Please direct me to the sections that answer my questions.

Link has posted below

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Hm Im showing 12 pages. Go ahead and read the bill. Post is in the first link. It'll take you about 15 mins to read.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf

 

[blackangst1]

It's even funnier watching people that have claimed to read it, but don't know how many pages are in the bill, or provide a link.

Try actually linking the bill and referencing the actual text, not some BS article

Scratch that

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's even funnier watching people that have claimed to read it, but don't know how many pages are in the bill, or provide a link.

Try actually linking the bill and referencing the actual text, not some BS article

It's 17 pages? Interesting. I was paying attention to the text, not the number.

For the lazy.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

There is no requirement for a person to provide "proof" of citizenship. What it says is that determining citizenship follows federal guidelines, which doesn't require it either.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

It's 17 pages? Interesting. I was paying attention to the text, not the number.

For the lazy.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

There is no requirement for a person to provide "proof" of citizenship. What it says is that determining citizenship follows federal guidelines, which doesn't require it either.

The one I linked is the correct one. You linked the senate bill.

 

[cwjerome]

This is one of those laws that looks great on paper but the actually application has major fail written all over it?

1. How will illegals be identified ? Racial profiling anyone? lawsuits galore?

2. What will the police do with an illegal once identified? Will there be a massive coordination between the police and imigration that currently doesnt exist? Will the police take deportation into their hands? Will illegals remain in local jails until turned over and processed by imigration?


Looks to me like the framers of this bill didn't look past the potential headline grabbing popularity of this idea at the difficulties in applying it. I predict this becomes problematic to implement and sees very little actual enforcment and becomes a feel good law that is not enforced.

It talks about this in the bill. I suspect in practice, it'll be similar to how the sheriff operates in that they bust people doing illegal things and then discover status during that investigative process.

 

[OutHouse]

Not really. This law is "freedom to harass" for law enforcement. If the AZ legislature and governor wanted to get rid of the illegals they would nail employers' asses to the wall and the illegals would move elsewhere. This law doesn't do that. They don't want the illegals to actually leave, they just want them to remain hidden and exploitable. Arizona is addicted to cheap labor.

yes it does... it also shuts down mayors who want to run sanctuary cities


ARTICLE 8. ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS
14 11-1051. Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of
15 immigration laws; indemnification
16 A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR
17 OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
18 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
19 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.





Sec. 6. Section 23-212, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
7 23-212. Knowingly employing unauthorized aliens; prohibition;
8 false and frivolous complaints; violation;
9 classification; license suspension and revocation;
10 affirmative defense
11 A. An employer shall not knowingly employ an unauthorized alien. If,
12 in the case when an employer uses a contract, subcontract or other
13 independent contractor agreement to obtain the labor of an alien in this
14 state, the employer knowingly contracts with an unauthorized alien or with a
15 person who employs or contracts with an unauthorized alien to perform the
16 labor, the employer violates this subsection.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The one I linked is the correct one. You linked the senate bill.

Thanks! That's the one that came up in the search. Lemme go read that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county,
31 city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely
32 consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of
33 this subsection except to the extent permitted by the united states or
34 arizona constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is
35 unlawfully present in the united states if the person provides to the law
36 enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
37 1. A valid arizona driver license.
38 2. A valid arizona nonoperating identification license.
39 3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal
40 identification.
41 4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the united states
42 before issuance, any valid united states federal, state or local government
43 issued identification.

 

[jpk]

The law is not about stemming the flow of illegals it is about scaring people of color away from the voting booth. This november people will be voting for their elected representatives and yes, even in AZ, for now anyway. I'm sure If you feel because of your color and having to produce documents like a birth certificate to rent a cops hired by the GOP at the polling station.... this is as much the same as the poll tax or the poll tests they had in the racist south to prevent blacks from voting. Now, instead of a "tax" they have to produce their birth certificate?! How many whites even carry or even have a copy or the original of their birth certificate? I would wager way less than half and it can be expensive to get a valid copy sometimes running well over $100.00. For the working poor, the elderly, these costs just to be able to cast your vote, which is your right under the constitution, can be more than they can afford. So, while those on the right can say it is all about immigration, they are either lying or just stupid. I prefer to think the latter judging by the posters the teabaggers carry and the spelling on them. Besides, if they're worried about brown crime in AZ I thought all you cowboys carried a hogleg around with you for just such an opportunity....ahem, I mean for self defense.

AZ will regret passing this law. If not because of the unconstitutional nature of it, and it will be struck down but because of not only the national back lash against them but for the millions of dollars the state will spend in court trying to fight the avalanche of lawsuits that will arise from this. Money that could be going to schools, hospitals, road work, etc.. Taxpayers of AZ, you are getting royally screwed by your politicians. So.....bend on over....AZ get ready for the Duke.

 

[Xellos2099]

I felt this is the perfect law, people claim most of the illegal are good people and haven't commit any crime.... EXCUSE ME, they already committed a grave crime by being in US illegally. My opinion may be really biases since I am a first generation Hong Kong immigrant, but law is a law. Yes, it take a long time and a lot of money, but if my family can do it legally, why can't the Mexican?

As for the people who scream racial profiling, what's wrong with that? 80-90% of the illegal are Mexicans, so naturally the only wise thing to do IS to target that, enough of the politically correctness bullshit.

 

[nick1985]

The law is not about stemming the flow of illegals it is about scaring people of color away from the voting booth. This november people will be voting for their elected representatives and yes, even in AZ, for now anyway. I'm sure If you feel because of your color and having to produce documents like a birth certificate to rent a cops hired by the GOP at the polling station....

 

[spidey07]

The law is not about stemming the flow of illegals it is about scaring people of color away from the voting booth. This november people will be voting for their elected representatives and yes, even in AZ, for now anyway. I'm sure If you feel because of your color and having to produce documents like a birth certificate to rent a cops hired by the GOP at the polling station.... this is as much the same as the poll tax or the poll tests they had in the racist south to prevent blacks from voting. Now, instead of a "tax" they have to produce their birth certificate?! How many whites even carry or even have a copy or the original of their birth certificate? I would wager way less than half and it can be expensive to get a valid copy sometimes running well over $100.00. For the working poor, the elderly, these costs just to be able to cast your vote, which is your right under the constitution, can be more than they can afford. So, while those on the right can say it is all about immigration, they are either lying or just stupid. I prefer to think the latter judging by the posters the teabaggers carry and the spelling on them. Besides, if they're worried about brown crime in AZ I thought all you cowboys carried a hogleg around with you for just such an opportunity....ahem, I mean for self defense.

AZ will regret passing this law. If not because of the unconstitutional nature of it, and it will be struck down but because of not only the national back lash against them but for the millions of dollars the state will spend in court trying to fight the avalanche of lawsuits that will arise from this. Money that could be going to schools, hospitals, road work, etc.. Taxpayers of AZ, you are getting royally screwed by your politicians. So.....bend on over....AZ get ready for the Duke.

The cost of the criminals sucking public money and services avalanche any money spent defending this great law that simply mirrors what the federal laws are.

If anything AZ should recoup all the costs of policing it as that's the job of the feds. Hopefully AZ and other states start suing the federal government.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The law is not about stemming the flow of illegals it is about scaring people of color away from the voting booth. This november people will be voting for their elected representatives and yes, even in AZ, for now anyway. I'm sure If you feel because of your color and having to produce documents like a birth certificate to rent a cops hired by the GOP at the polling station.... this is as much the same as the poll tax or the poll tests they had in the racist south to prevent blacks from voting. Now, instead of a "tax" they have to produce their birth certificate?! How many whites even carry or even have a copy or the original of their birth certificate? I would wager way less than half and it can be expensive to get a valid copy sometimes running well over $100.00. For the working poor, the elderly, these costs just to be able to cast your vote, which is your right under the constitution, can be more than they can afford. So, while those on the right can say it is all about immigration, they are either lying or just stupid. I prefer to think the latter judging by the posters the teabaggers carry and the spelling on them. Besides, if they're worried about brown crime in AZ I thought all you cowboys carried a hogleg around with you for just such an opportunity....ahem, I mean for self defense.

AZ will regret passing this law. If not because of the unconstitutional nature of it, and it will be struck down but because of not only the national back lash against them but for the millions of dollars the state will spend in court trying to fight the avalanche of lawsuits that will arise from this. Money that could be going to schools, hospitals, road work, etc.. Taxpayers of AZ, you are getting royally screwed by your politicians. So.....bend on over....AZ get ready for the Duke.

Could you point out where a birth certificate is required? Thanks!

You didn't read the legislation. Again, I can understand people being concerned about this, but the amount of reading necessary is nil compared to a whole lot out there. If you don't know that which is easily understood, then you can hardly make a reasonable objection, and in fact you haven't.

 

[PJABBER]

The law is not about stemming the flow of illegals it is about scaring people of color away from the voting booth. Now, instead of a "tax" they have to produce their birth certificate?!

What a fear monger you are. First, if you would bother to actually read the law you would see that there are any number of alternative IDs that are acceptable. The overwhelming majority of AZ adults, black, white, yellow, red, whatever, already have those in their pockets.

To prevent a lot of the voter fraud that we have in the US it certainly would be a great idea to have every voter provide the same kind of ID to prove they are who they say they are and to check their name against registered voter lists. Why would you want some loser to go in, use your name and just on their say so vote in your stead?

How many whites even carry or even have a copy or the original of their birth certificate? I would wager way less than half and it can be expensive to get a valid copy sometimes running well over $100.00. For the working poor, the elderly, these costs just to be able to cast your vote, which is your right under the constitution, can be more than they can afford.

You are so full of yourself that you failed to look up the cost of actually obtaining a birth certificate in Arizona. Depending on the county, it runs $10- $15. I also took a random look at the cost for getting a duplicate birth certificate around the country and the costs are the same, $10 - $15. You need an original birth certificate or certified copy to get a U.S. passport, and often to get a driver's license. Do you drive? You probably already have a certificate somewhere. Again, a BC is only one of the acceptable forms of ID and the vast majority of legal citizens in AZ already have those forms of ID.

So, while those on the right can say it is all about immigration, they are either lying or just stupid. I prefer to think the latter judging by the posters the teabaggers carry and the spelling on them.

It turns out that you are lying or just stupid.

Besides, if they're worried about brown crime in AZ I thought all you cowboys carried a hogleg around with you for just such an opportunity....ahem, I mean for self defense.

Another liberal inciting violence against minorities. Will the wonders never cease?

AZ will regret passing this law. If not because of the unconstitutional nature of it, and it will be struck down but because of not only the national back lash against them but for the millions of dollars the state will spend in court trying to fight the avalanche of lawsuits that will arise from this. Money that could be going to schools, hospitals, road work, etc.. Taxpayers of AZ, you are getting royally screwed by your politicians. So.....bend on over....AZ get ready for the Duke.

Based on the popularity of this measure I do not think the good citizens of Arizona are upset at all. I rather think they are doing the beloved patriot tonk and putting back a few shots in celebration at taking this long overdue step.

Oh, the "progressives" will run like scared little girls to the courts and hope to prove that carrying legal ID is un-Constitutional. And the illegals will send their kids into the streets at the unfairness of it all. And now the citizens of Arizona will have to deal with gas bags like Al Sharpton that haven't found anything that they can't call racist.

But, my guess is that the crime rate will start dropping off quite soon, just as it did when New York City started cracking down. And the citizens along the border and in the cities will start considering spending even MORE money on law enforcement so that they will not have to live in fear of the crime wave which has come to dominate their lives.

 

[blackangst1]

The law is not about stemming the flow of illegals it is about scaring people of color away from the voting booth. This november people will be voting for their elected representatives and yes, even in AZ, for now anyway. I'm sure If you feel because of your color and having to produce documents like a birth certificate to rent a cops hired by the GOP at the polling station.... this is as much the same as the poll tax or the poll tests they had in the racist south to prevent blacks from voting. Now, instead of a "tax" they have to produce their birth certificate?! How many whites even carry or even have a copy or the original of their birth certificate? I would wager way less than half and it can be expensive to get a valid copy sometimes running well over $100.00. For the working poor, the elderly, these costs just to be able to cast your vote, which is your right under the constitution, can be more than they can afford. So, while those on the right can say it is all about immigration, they are either lying or just stupid. I prefer to think the latter judging by the posters the teabaggers carry and the spelling on them. Besides, if they're worried about brown crime in AZ I thought all you cowboys carried a hogleg around with you for just such an opportunity....ahem, I mean for self defense.

AZ will regret passing this law. If not because of the unconstitutional nature of it, and it will be struck down but because of not only the national back lash against them but for the millions of dollars the state will spend in court trying to fight the avalanche of lawsuits that will arise from this. Money that could be going to schools, hospitals, road work, etc.. Taxpayers of AZ, you are getting royally screwed by your politicians. So.....bend on over....AZ get ready for the Duke.

Who said anything about a birth certificate?

National backlash? Who gives a fuck. The rest of the country doesnt have the problem with illegals we have here, and the majority here love this law.

Unconstitutional? Really? Please first post the part of the bill that is, and what amendment is violates.

Troll much?

 

[blackangst1]

I felt this is the perfect law, people claim most of the illegal are good people and haven't commit any crime.... EXCUSE ME, they already committed a grave crime by being in US illegally. My opinion may be really biases since I am a first generation Hong Kong immigrant, but law is a law. Yes, it take a long time and a lot of money, but if my family can do it legally, why can't the Mexican?

As for the people who scream racial profiling, what's wrong with that? 80-90% of the illegal are Mexicans, so naturally the only wise thing to do IS to target that, enough of the politically correctness bullshit.

thank you for doing it legally. But, the number of illegals, at least in AZ, that are hispanic is lower than that. We are a major destination and hub for asian and russian human traffickers.

 

[Svnla]

The law is not about stemming the flow of illegals it is about scaring people of color away from the voting booth. This november people will be voting for their elected representatives and yes, even in AZ, for now anyway. I'm sure If you feel because of your color and having to produce documents like a birth certificate to rent a cops hired by the GOP at the polling station.... this is as much the same as the poll tax or the poll tests they had in the racist south to prevent blacks from voting. Now, instead of a "tax" they have to produce their birth certificate?! How many whites even carry or even have a copy or the original of their birth certificate? I would wager way less than half and it can be expensive to get a valid copy sometimes running well over $100.00. For the working poor, the elderly, these costs just to be able to cast your vote, which is your right under the constitution, can be more than they can afford. So, while those on the right can say it is all about immigration, they are either lying or just stupid. I prefer to think the latter judging by the posters the teabaggers carry and the spelling on them. Besides, if they're worried about brown crime in AZ I thought all you cowboys carried a hogleg around with you for just such an opportunity....ahem, I mean for self defense.

AZ will regret passing this law. If not because of the unconstitutional nature of it, and it will be struck down but because of not only the national back lash against them but for the millions of dollars the state will spend in court trying to fight the avalanche of lawsuits that will arise from this. Money that could be going to schools, hospitals, road work, etc.. Taxpayers of AZ, you are getting royally screwed by your politicians. So.....bend on over....AZ get ready for the Duke.

First of all, I am a LEGAL immigrant AND a minority plus independent voter (even more minority than blacks or hispanics) so you can't use the racist/whitey/GOP/Bush fault/rightwing extremist/etc. line on me.

Second, I haven't hear any LEGAL immigrants like myself like how things are run in the immigration process, i.e. how ILLEGALS can jump ahead of the line and have the nerve to ask for amnesty/path of citizenship while KNOWING FULLLY that they were and are breaking the laws.

Third, I and millions of LEGAL immigrants endured so much hardship, cost, time, effort, and on and on just to be a LEGAL immigrant. Why can't ILLEGALS ARE REQUIRED to do the same? Why they broke the laws and then expect to be US citizens? Is that how we want our country to be? Just broke the laws and got the same result, LEGAL immigration (follow the laws) is for morons/chumps, right?

Furthermore, I always been asked for ID (a driver license would be fine and never for birth certificate so stop the misinformation) whenever I voted (every single time and it applied for every voter) and I didn't and still don't see the problem (you are required to carry driver license with you at all time), why can't ILLEGALS do the same? Oh wait, they can't, they ARE ILLEGALS.

Give me the name of one country on earth, just one, that you can break its laws, sneak in, then demand amnesty/path to citizenship. Well??

Like I said before, enough is enough. ILLEGAL immigrants need to be stop and stop it now!!!!

 

[First]

Youre a complete idiot. LEGAL hispanics support this bill, and are just as pissed off at fast tracking illegals into citizenship as are asians and every other race for that matter. Nice fear talk though.

Hispanics vote overwhelmingly Dem and historically side with them on immigration policy. Hate to break it to you.

 

[blackangst1]

For those who support things like a pathway to citizenship for those already here illegally...sanctuary cities...etc...let me ask an honest question. I immigrated my wife here legally. Now, eventually she would like to petition her family, but that is actually a long, time and money consuming process. How would you feel if you met someone like me, and over beers they explained a plan they had of flying said family members into S America, and smuggling them over the border, thus by-passing immigration laws, to get the same result (a path to citizenship) much faster and at much less expense? What would you tell such a person? Youre cool with it?

How come those who think this bill isnt fair, and that AZ should just leave the poor illegals alone, cant answer this question?

 

[OutHouse]

AZ will regret passing this law. If not because of the unconstitutional nature of it, and it will be struck down but because of not only the national back lash against them but for the millions of dollars the state will spend in court trying to fight the avalanche of lawsuits that will arise from this.

humm AZ has been sued a dozen or so times over other immigration laws and won every single time.

 

[OutHouse]

First of all, I am a LEGAL immigrant AND a minority plus independent voter (even more minority than blacks or hispanics) so you can't use the racist/whitey/GOP/Bush fault/rightwing extremist/etc. line on me.

Second, I haven't hear any LEGAL immigrants like myself like how things are run in the immigration process, i.e. how ILLEGALS can jump ahead of the line and have the nerve to ask for amnesty/path of citizenship while KNOWING FULLLY that they were and are breaking the laws.

Third, I and millions of LEGAL immigrants endured so much hardship, cost, time, effort, and on and on just to be a LEGAL immigrant. Why can't ILLEGALS ARE REQUIRED to do the same? Why they broke the laws and then expect to be US citizens? Is that how we want our country to be? Just broke the laws and got the same result, LEGAL immigration (follow the laws) is for morons/chumps, right?

Furthermore, I always been asked for ID (a driver license would be fine and never for birth certificate so stop the misinformation) whenever I voted (every single time and it applied for every voter) and I didn't and still don't see the problem (you are required to carry driver license with you at all time), why can't ILLEGALS do the same? Oh wait, they can't, they ARE ILLEGALS.

Like I said before, enough is enough. ILLEGAL immigrants need to be stop and stop it now!!!!

excellent post. i love it when guys like you totally bitch slap the race card.