Arizona passes law banning multilingual requirement for businesses

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Schadenfroh

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Nice tag


Arizona still has a long way to go before it replaces Texas as my favorite state, but they are on their way.
 

epidemis

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Kind of a redundant, since there's no legal requirement to provide multilingual service. If there were the proper course would be to repeat that law, not making a new law..
 

Blackjack200

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Wow. You know I'm on the west coast and Ive been to BC like 10 times. Ive never once run into a french speaking Canadian. As for Mexico unless you live along the border you don't generally run into people that speak Spanish exclusively.

For the life of me I don't know how you facepalm with your head so far up your ass.

You said that Europeans (and you brought up Europe, not me, I don't know WTF Europe has to do with anything in the first place) speak multiple languages because they live in states that border states that speak other languages. Many Canadians speak French, I don't care who you've met from what Province. Try getting by in Quebec with only English. And the fact that Mexicans close to the border speak both English and Spanish illustrates my point.

Back on the short bus with you.
 

dainthomas

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Are you people actually proud that you can only understand one language? In many other advanced countries you're almost required to be bilingual by the time you get out of high school.

What's the over/under on how long it takes Arizona to pass their anti-evolution bill?
 

shiner

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Are you people actually proud that you can only understand one language? In many other advanced countries you're almost required to be bilingual by the time you get out of high school.

What's the over/under on how long it takes Arizona to pass their anti-evolution bill?

Has nothing to do with the ability to speak other languages. I speak English, German and Russian since you brought it up.

The problem is these people are here, many of them illegally, and in most cases are refusing to learn and speak our language or assimilate into the culture. You know the whole melting pot idea. So instead we are expected to make allowances for them and print various business/government forms in their language. Sorry Paco, it shouldn't work that way. While in various countries in Europe I never expected the people there to speak English, though some could, and I surely never would have expected them to provide me with forms, etc...in English should I have needed medial services or services of any other kind.
 

OutHouse

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In many other advanced countries you're almost required to be bilingual by the time you get out of high school.

Gee i wonder why that is.... could it be like Holland were very few people speak dutch except for the Dutch and they MUST learn English, French and German to do business?
 

tk149

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Kind of a redundant, since there's no legal requirement to provide multilingual service. If there were the proper course would be to repeat that law, not making a new law..

http://verdenews.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=36472

Assistant Attorney General Michael Walker said that's probably always been the law. But that didn't stop John Schrolucke from having to spend time and money defending himself and his dental practice before Walker's office finally dismissed the case.

Instead, he said, the woman filed a discrimination complaint with the Attorney General's Office.
State law prohibits discrimination in places of "public accommodation against anyone because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin or ancestry.' That category includes restaurants, hotels, theaters and any place that offers services or goods to the general public.

In other words,
1. There was no law specifically stating that private businesses do NOT have to provide multilingual service.
2. Bitch sued the optometrist for not providing multilingual service by claiming discrimination.
3. Law was passed specifically stating that private businesses do NOT have to provide multilingual service.

Hope the bitch has to pay his legal fees.
 

PokerGuy

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I'm an AZ native and still live there. I'm not against this at all but it is just so funny to see so many of you excited over something that, living my whole life here, has never seemed to be an issue.

It might not seem to be an issue to you, but go ask that dentist who had to spend countless thousands in legal fees to defend himself from an absurd lawsuit if it's "a big deal" or not. Clearly there was a lack of common sense along the way (the very first judge who heard the case should have thrown it out and forced the plaintiff to pay costs for the defendant), but now there's much more clarity to avoid such stupidity in the future.
 

ShawnD1

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Wow. You know I'm on the west coast and Ive been to BC like 10 times. Ive never once run into a french speaking Canadian.
I live in Canada and I've only met a hand full of people who know any french at all. I know quite a few people who speak fluent Polish or Ukrainian.

The law should be that you're allowed to use any language you want, not including warning signs or things like "wash your hands". If you want to run a vet clinic that only speaks French, I completely support that. People shouldn't be forced to learn any language and they shouldn't be able to sue because someone they want to do business with doesn't speak their language. If you want an eye doctor who speaks Spanish, that's your problem to solve.
 
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nobodyknows

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Are you people actually proud that you can only understand one language? In many other advanced countries you're almost required to be bilingual by the time you get out of high school.

What's the over/under on how long it takes Arizona to pass their anti-evolution bill?

So if we're gping to have a second language in ther US I vote for German. Now there is an "advanced" country. The only rub is shall we speak high German or low German?
 

shortylickens

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Win.
I dont care if they are an illegal alien or legal immigrant, they have no right no force a foreign language on us.
And the only reason Spanish is so popular is because of the illegals, not legal immigrants.
 

blackangst1

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Win.
I dont care if they are an illegal alien or legal immigrant, they have no right no force a foreign language on us.
And the only reason Spanish is so popular is because of the illegals, not legal immigrants.

Well, I would argue with that point....
 

Pulsar

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Wow. It's rare you see two people in the same thread supporting the same complete logical fallacies.

Dainthomas and blackjack200, let's address both your points.

Blackjack200:
Go to any other country and they speak 2 or 3 languages.

Yes. In most countries where English is NOT the first language. You see, english is a nearly universal language, and in most countries you can find english speakers. So, people who live in Vietnam speak Vietnamese and a portion speak.... english. Because it is a necessity to communicate to the world at large. Yet on the other hand, we already speak english.

Blackjack200:
You mean Canada where they speak French, and Mexico where they speak Spanish?

The majority of Canadiens do not speak French. Quebec, on the other hand, speaks largely French. However, they also look down severely on people who can NOT speak French, and also regularly vote to secede from Canada to become their own seperate country. Again, that has nothing to do with their schools, their desire to be more worldly, or anything else to that affect. It's mostly pure arrogance. Hint: I LIVE 5 minutes from Canada and do a ton of business in Canuckistan.

Mexicans speaking spanish is hardly a revelation. However, you will find that many Americans living close to Mexico speak both languages too, again out of necessity. Your logic completely fails on both points.

Dainthomas:
Are you people actually proud that you can only understand one language? In many other advanced countries you're almost required to be bilingual by the time you get out of high school.

LOL WUT? I don't think anyone here said that, but it's a nice strawman to throw in out of the blue. This conversation is about companies being FORCED to speak any language their customer desires. Do you have a problem with continuity of conversation?

In 'many other advanced countries' they don't speak english as a first language. Since it's nearly required in the modern world to speak english, they have to learn it.

For BOTH your information, I took 4 years of German in high school and another 3 in college. Yet I can no longer speak it 14 years later. Because I'm never IN Germany using it, as opposed to people in Europe and other countries who know their native tongues and have to still speak english on a regular basis.

Would you both like to try again with the common myth that we're somehow more stupid in the US because we only speak the languages that we need to speak (like every other country in the world)?
 

Zorba

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Pushing a button is so last decade.

Yeah, the voice recognition software should figure out the language based on the cuss words used ;).

I remember seeing on CNN a clip of audio records of people talking to voice recognition phone systems, they pretty much had to bleep out every other word.
 

halik

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Go Arizona! It seems they are indeed taking our country back from invaders. The state signed a law that says there is no requirement to provide multi-lingual services, thus protecting businesses from frivolous discrimination or civil rights lawsuits. Remember, language is not a protected class according to the civil right act.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/05/arizona_passes_law_banning_mul.html

Good,
I decide what languages I support as a business. Don't like it? Go elsewhere.
 

halik

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Are you people actually proud that you can only understand one language? In many other advanced countries you're almost required to be bilingual by the time you get out of high school.

What's the over/under on how long it takes Arizona to pass their anti-evolution bill?

I speak 5 languages and that has no bearing on my stance that gov't should not have ANY mandates as to which language will my business cater to.
 

piasabird

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Maybe we should start deporting employers that hire illegals.

Same thing goes for employers with companies that work for them like cleaning contrctors with illegals working for them.
 
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Zedtom

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Nobody gets offended when they see a sign saying: No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service.

But put up a sign that says: This is an English spoken only establishment, and then wait for the protests to begin.