Are we there yet...

[Fanatical Meat]

It always amazes me that Democrats are apparently the only people with agency in the United States because every time Republicans do something bad it’s never because they just chose a racist idiot for president, it’s always that the mean Democrats made them do it.

Sorry, people don’t get off that easy. Trump voters had a choice and they chose poorly. That’s their fault, not Clinton’s or anyone else’s.

Careful, you’ll hurt their Feelz.

For a big group of t shirt wearing “fuck your feelings” various tough guys who shout it and obviously the President. They all get their feeling hurt pretty easily and lash out over it.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm just going off of the reaction to my post with sources that people in a recent Democratic President's Administration....

a few came out of the woodwork to disagree with my post without really disputing my source... I even granted the possibility that the author of the updated biography may be lying.

demonstrate that the sources I cited for one of my earliest posts in this thread is citing an outright liar of a person who would throw away his position as "New York Times White House Correspondent " and you'll get a mea culpa apology from me.


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Oh so now you’re just making up arguments for other people to have that they must disprove.

You’re being silly. You should stop.

 

[blankslate]

Oh so now you’re just making up arguments for other people to have that they must disprove.

You’re being silly. You should stop.

you should take your own advice... remember people started replying to me... and my post in here that garnered the replies was citing the source that indicated that an elected Democratic official and at least some of his staff agreed with me...


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[fskimospy]

you should take your own advice... remember people started replying to me... and my post in here that garnered the replies was citing the source that indicated that an elected Democratic official and at least some of his staff agreed with me...


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No, it wasn’t. You took people saying she ran a bad campaign and tried to make Trump her fault because of it. You’re blinded by Clinton hate.

Whether or not she ran a good campaign has zero to do with who is responsible for Trump. I’m all about personal responsibility, some people such as you are all about finding reasons why someone else made them do it.

 

[ivwshane]

Another day another step towards fascism with Michael Flynn’s case being thrown out purely for political reasons.

 

[Moonbeam]

Another day another step towards fascism with Michael Flynn’s case being thrown out purely for political reasons.

So you agree that Judge Sullivan was politically motivated?

 

[woolfe9998]

Another day another step towards fascism with Michael Flynn’s case being thrown out purely for political reasons.

We're going to see a rapidly accelerating approach vector come November if Trump should win. That I can guaranty.

 

[ivwshane]

So you agree that Judge Sullivan was politically motivated?

How did you come to that conclusion?

 

[Moonbeam]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Actually because I know you, I know what you wanted to say but your statement, by itself, read ambiguously to me. You made the point the motivation in judgment as political but not which of the two judgements. Also, because I am not a legal scholar and three judges overruled Sullivan, I have to question if I am really capable of knowing which side what the truth is. That makes it hopefully, at least in my opinion, more capable of hearing and even looking for challenges to my reflexive beliefs. I see certainty as dangerous and feel certain about that.

 

[woolfe9998]

Actually because I know you, I know what you wanted to say but your statement, by itself, read ambiguously to me. You made the point the motivation in judgment as political but not which of the two judgements. Also, because I am not a legal scholar and three judges overruled Sullivan, I have to question if I am really capable of knowing which side what the truth is. That makes it hopefully, at least in my opinion, more capable of hearing and even looking for challenges to my reflexive beliefs. I see certainty as dangerous and feel certain about that.

Flynn's case being thrown out for political reasons doesn't necessarily implicate judges. First and foremost, it was "thrown out" because Trump has corrupted the DoJ.

 

[cytg111]

Should really read the whole thread, but in essence this is the rub : Executive power.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275835404164481025

 

[Moonbeam]

Flynn's case being thrown out for political reasons doesn't necessarily implicate judges. First and foremost, it was "thrown out" because Trump has corrupted the DoJ.

When I told ivwshane that I didn’t think I had the expertise to know who made the most legally correct determination between the first or the latter 3 judges, I thought to myself that you in particular would have an opinion worth listening to. I can appreciate your effort to extend the blame beyond the judges but I can’t see how they are not directly implicated as the second group of three took the power to judge from the first. Do you know or agree with what I would presume to be the existence to do so based on some legal opinion those three presented as to why they concluded differently and in particular do you see it as potentially apolitical?

 

[ivwshane]

When I told ivwshane that I didn’t think I had the expertise to know who made the most legally correct determination between the first or the latter 3 judges, I thought to myself that you in particular would have an opinion worth listening to. I can appreciate your effort to extend the blame beyond the judges but I can’t see how they are not directly implicated as the second group of three took the power to judge from the first. Do you know or agree with what I would presume to be the existence to do so based on some legal opinion those three presented as to why they concluded differently and in particular do you see it as potentially apolitical?

The court decision dismissing charges against Michael Flynn is astonishingly bad

Neomi Rao rides again.

www.vox.com

 

[dawp]

The court decision dismissing charges against Michael Flynn is astonishingly bad

Neomi Rao rides again.

www.vox.com

it'll likely be overturned with the full court which is the saving grace of this decision.

can we impeach all the judges appointed trump next year?

 

[Moonbeam]

The court decision dismissing charges against Michael Flynn is astonishingly bad

Neomi Rao rides again.

www.vox.com

Thanks. That article makes a good case that a 2 to 1 decision was in fact political. Naturally, I am still too ignorant to judge if the article itself wasn't political but it is certainly in line with where my natural suspicions would lead me.

 

[ivwshane]

Thanks. That article makes a good case that a 2 to 1 decision was in fact political. Naturally, I am still too ignorant to judge if the article itself wasn't political but it is certainly in line with where my natural suspicions would lead me.

If people want to make the case that the two other judges had no political motive, by all means make the case. Where people can't make that case is the fact that under barr's orders the reasoning to drop the case was for purely political reasons. Multiple people and eyewitnesses have said as much and barr's own history supports such political action.

 

[zinfamous]

it'll likely be overturned with the full court which is the saving grace of this decision.

can we impeach all the judges appointed trump next year?

It would take a serious wave in Congress on top of the presidency to make that happen quickly, but it is really the first thing that needs to happen.

Remember, these are upwards of 94 or so seats that Mitch blocked Obama from appointing, and many more that opened up for Trump. That's 94 seats that Obama had every constitutional right to fill, blocked by Mitch fucking McConnel + the handful that came available for Trump.

Impeachment is probably necessary, but what might also need to happen, or just happen instead, is that appeals courts need to be packed. Not just SCOTUS. We've got a diminishing minority power trying to put the screws into a country in perpetuity, which is not what this country is about. We don't operate this way, and we are literally dying every day because of what they want us to be. The GOP is literally killing US citizens with their gamesmanship in the face of a human-killing virus that can be controlled because they *think* it will score them temporary brownie points with the unwashed masses.

That kind of shit can not be tolerated anywhere, and yet it's amazing to see the type of people that once claimed themselves Republicans during the Cold War era line up and take it in the ass now, as they long refused to do. But here they are, inviting the very same nonsense into this country. Fucking traitors, the entire lot of them.

Only way to deal with these quislings is to dilute their influence. Rub them off the lists in November, replace their seats, then expand those positions with unattainable influence such that they scurry back and die in the fetid ratholes that bred their insanity. This country can't survive another year of the GOP. It simply can not.

 

[Indus]

can we impeach all the judges appointed trump next year?

What would that do? Moscow Mitch would acquit them.

Either pack the court or send em to Gitmo.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Felt like it was time to bring this thread up again.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1283436911307218948

Unidentified federal agents are roaming the streets of Portland grabbing protesters for spraying graffiti without identifying themselves, pull them into unmarked rental vans and haul them who knows where. So far it appears every single person has been released so at this point, and I must stress, at this point it's just an intimidation tactic, yet, again we must ask ourselves the question: are we there yet?

 

[zinfamous]

Felt like it was time to bring this thread up again.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1283436911307218948

Unidentified federal agents are roaming the streets of Portland grabbing protesters for spraying graffiti without identifying themselves, pull them into unmarked rental vans and haul them who knows where. So far it appears every single person has been released so at this point, and I must stress, at this point it's just an intimidation tactic, yet, again we must ask ourselves the question: are we there yet?

ah, so the culling has begun.

MAGA Nazi-loving bastards are experiencing their wet dreams.

 

[fleshconsumed]

More of Federal Agents beating up people in Portland

https://twitter.com/x/status/1284726088187310080

Corresponding article:

Veteran speaks out after video of federal officers beating him goes viral

‘I stood my ground at that point and just stayed there,’ Christopher David, 53, told The Independent

www.independent.co.uk

 

[ivwshane]

I just wanted to point out that the founding fathers were very concerned and specifically wrote that there were to be no standing armies.

Anyone want to guess why?

Are we there yet? If America’s slide to fascism was measured using the doomsday clock, we would also probably be at 100 seconds to midnight.


If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say the reason for republicans nonchalant attitude towards COVID and their almost purposeful acts that seem to encourage its spread, is strategic in nature. If you know you can’t win an election legitimately, then how could one win it illegitimately? You could try indirectly rigging the vote (purging voter rolls, closing/limiting polling stations, poll taxes like those being enforced on felons, voter ID laws that disenfranchise voters, etc). But even that may not be enough so you could also try creating chaos in very specific areas (turning peaceful protests into violent ones) and slowly escalating the chaos until a total lock down is required and boom! Targeted cities are shut down and voting gets depressed enough to win an election.

But that’s crazy talk. Republicans would never stoop that low. That’s what I thought when republicans blocked everything and made zero compromises with democrats for purely political reasons for a democratic president’s entire term. That’s what I thought when republicans didn’t even allow a hearing for a sitting president’s Supreme Court nomination. It’s what I thought when republicans nominated a con man. It’s what I thought when republicans ignored and refused to hear evidence about a sitting president who is using his powers corruptly. It what I thought as republicans remained silent as the sitting president uses his AG as his personal attorney to shut down cases that might be harmful to him.

But who knows, it’s not like history repeats itself, right?

 

[ivwshane]

I just wanted to bump this topic again as a reminder that the alarm bells were wringing quite early on.

Whether or not we turn to a dictatorship will hinge on whether or not trump is re-elected but I wanted to remind everyone how we got here and how its been a slow boil. I also wanted us to be reminded of who the people were that allowed this to happen.

We've gone from a president being investigated for colluding with a foreign adversary to help get elected to a president who was impeached for attempting to blackmail a foreign ally to meddle in our election to a president that has/is openly and brazenly trying to rig an election.


I dare anyone to tell me why we aren't at the final step towards fascism.

 

[ivwshane]

I just wanted to point out that the founding fathers were very concerned and specifically wrote that there were to be no standing armies.

Anyone want to guess why?

Are we there yet? If America’s slide to fascism was measured using the doomsday clock, we would also probably be at 100 seconds to midnight.


If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say the reason for republicans nonchalant attitude towards COVID and their almost purposeful acts that seem to encourage its spread, is strategic in nature. If you know you can’t win an election legitimately, then how could one win it illegitimately? You could try indirectly rigging the vote (purging voter rolls, closing/limiting polling stations, poll taxes like those being enforced on felons, voter ID laws that disenfranchise voters, etc). But even that may not be enough so you could also try creating chaos in very specific areas (turning peaceful protests into violent ones) and slowly escalating the chaos until a total lock down is required and boom! Targeted cities are shut down and voting gets depressed enough to win an election.

But that’s crazy talk. Republicans would never stoop that low. That’s what I thought when republicans blocked everything and made zero compromises with democrats for purely political reasons for a democratic president’s entire term. That’s what I thought when republicans didn’t even allow a hearing for a sitting president’s Supreme Court nomination. It’s what I thought when republicans nominated a con man. It’s what I thought when republicans ignored and refused to hear evidence about a sitting president who is using his powers corruptly. It what I thought as republicans remained silent as the sitting president uses his AG as his personal attorney to shut down cases that might be harmful to him.

But who knows, it’s not like history repeats itself, right?

Oh shit! I totally forgot I wrote this!

How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

This spring, a team working under the president’s son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic 50-state response?

www.vanityfair.com

 

[ivwshane]

Thread bump.

We have a federal judge showing a defendant preference simply because of their status with no such precedent and going as far to say that what the government has said is classified may not be classified.

We have governors taking immigrants under false pretenses to other states purely for political reasons with the express purpose of making it more difficult for those immigrants to follow the law and path to asylum.

We have a Supreme Court remove a right they originally recognized under the guise that because that right isn’t expressly stated in the constitution that it doesn’t exist (a direct contradiction to the 9th amendment).

And we continue to have one of the main political parties still supporting and continuing the claim that the 2020 election was stolen.

If you want to deny the pot is coming to a boil I’d love to hear your reasoning.