Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[agent00f]

Yet, more of them voted for Trump than they did for Romney......those damned racist.

More minorities voted for 2012 Obama than 2008 Obama or any other president in history. Maybe after they found out he was a kenyan muslim.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ahhhh poor thing, these same voters who voted for Obama chose not to vote for Hillary...............damned Racist!!! LMAO!!!

 

[agent00f]

Ahhhh poor thing, these same voters who voted for Obama chose not to vote for Hillary...............damned Racist!!! LMAO!!!

Yeah it's pretty unfortunate Clinton's not politically charismatic which makes an easier target for dishonest attacks. Not the best choice against people like yourself.

 

[WelshBloke]

Anybody else getting in on an impeachment bet? The odds are shortening by the day!

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/22/odds-slashed-on-donald-trump-being-impeached-6274440/

If they carry on dropping I might have to get in on an assassination bet! (Not that I think that Trump should be assassinated but people are saying...)

 

[disappoint]

Yeah it's pretty unfortunate Clinton's not politically charismatic which makes an easier target for dishonest attacks. Not the best choice against people like yourself.

Not charismatic? She's one molecule of evidence away from being a felon who can't keep 2 email accounts straight which any 12 year old would have no trouble with that convinced the majority of a nation to trust her not to run the nation into the ground. She caused Sportage and a handful of other ATOT denizens to have an emotional breakdown over her losing the election. She caused protesters to put their freedom in jeopardy by rioting and looting, Granted you emotional basketcases aren't the brightest bulbs in the drawer nor the sharpest knives in the light socket but we can't all be schooling Stephen Hawking on the subject of dark matter now can we?

 

[agent00f]

Not charismatic? She's one molecule of evidence away from being a felon who can't keep 2 email accounts straight which any 12 year old would have no trouble with that convinced the majority of a nation to trust her not to run the nation into the ground. She caused Sportage and a handful of other ATOT denizens to have an emotional breakdown over her losing the election. She caused protesters to put their freedom in jeopardy by rioting and looting, Granted you emotional basketcases aren't the brightest bulbs in the drawer nor the sharpest knives in the light socket but we can't all be schooling Stephen Hawking on the subject of dark matter now can we?

Pretty obvious that a more charismatic candidate would less susceptible to this sort of agitprop for simpletons. Try to keep in mind that the people with more education are not the simpletons.

 

[werepossum]

Do you guys recall a psychological researcher named Martin Seligman who did research on learned helplessness? When he had the dogs in his apparatus they learned to give up and just take the abuse.

Figure 5.11 Seligman’s Apparatus

In Seligman’s studies of learned helplessness, dogs were placed in a two-sided box. Dogs that had no prior experience with being unable to escape a shock would quickly jump over the hurdle in the center of the box to land on the “safe” side. Dogs that had previously learned that escape was impossible would stay on the side of the box in which the shock occurred, not even trying to go over the hurdle.


Why would the conditioned dogs refuse to move when shocked? The dogs that had been harnessed while being conditioned had apparently learned in the original tone/shock situation that there was nothing they could do to escape the shock. So when placed in a situation in which escape was possible, the dogs still did nothing because they had learned to be “helpless.” They believed they could not escape, so they did not try.
(Ciccarelli 208)

References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
Ciccarelli, Saundra K., J. White. Psychology , 4th Edition. Pearson Learning Solutions, 01/2014. VitalBook file.

Interesting that you bring that up, since the proggie message for a few decades has been that exact viewpoint. You cannot succeed on your own. Only the power of government allows you to succeed in this racist, elitist nation. And if you did succeed . . . You didn't build that. Learn that you are helpless, and put government in charge of everything from your education to what you are allowed to eat and drink for lunch.

And Seligman will hopefully burn in hell for shocking dogs in the name of science. That is why G-d gave us grad students.

 

[agent00f]

Interesting that you bring that up, since the proggie message for a few decades has been that exact viewpoint. You cannot succeed on your own. Only the power of government allows you to succeed in this racist, elitist nation. And if you did succeed . . . You didn't build that. Learn that you are helpless, and put government in charge of everything from your education to what you are allowed to eat and drink for lunch.

And Seligman will hopefully burn in hell for shocking dogs in the name of science. That is why G-d gave us grad students.

Always funny when the red state sorts who're by far the most reliant on gov white welfare think they're John Galt.

 

[disappoint]

Pretty obvious that a more charismatic candidate would less susceptible to this sort of agitprop for simpletons. Try to keep in mind that the people with more education are not the simpletons.

Try adding a few more insults to your vocabulary like Bernie Bros and deplorables and you too can someday run for president under the Democratic ticket but be sure to burn your copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People lest you give up on that winning strategy.

Interesting that you bring that up, since the proggie message for a few decades has been that exact viewpoint. You cannot succeed on your own. Only the power of government allows you to succeed in this racist, elitist nation. And if you did succeed . . . You didn't build that. Learn that you are helpless, and put government in charge of everything from your education to what you are allowed to eat and drink for lunch.

And Seligman will hopefully burn in hell for shocking dogs in the name of science. That is why G-d gave us grad students.

The power of government is nothing in comparison to the power of Christ which compels you to believe that God would really prefer you to misspell his name before he gets extremely angry enough to become a psychopath and send cancer or locusts after you werep-ssum. One question though: Do you share God's deranged anger issues and would you have flown off the handle had I typed that 'o' in your name?

 

[agent00f]

Try adding a few more insults to your vocabulary like Bernie Bros and deplorables and you too can someday run for president under the Democratic ticket but be sure to burn your copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People lest you give up on that winning strategy.

Factual reality naturally reflects poorly on the incompetent, and it's not somehow my role here to befriend them. A better politician otoh would lie to make them feel better about their station in life, and they'd support such a person in return; that is an accurate assessment of the situation at hand.

 

[disappoint]

Factual reality naturally reflects poorly on the incompetent, and it's not somehow my role here to befriend them. A better politician otoh would lie to make them feel better about their station in life, and they'd support such a person; that is an accurate assessment of the situation at hand.

You mean by Hillary Clinton pretending to be for the working class while hobnobbing with billionaires including Donald Trump who gave her foundation 100s of thousands of dollars to obtain her favors or were you not competent enough for that to occur to you?

 

[agent00f]

You mean by Hillary Clinton pretending to be for the working class while hobnobbing with billionaires including Donald Trump who gave her foundation 100s of thousands of dollars to obtain her favors or were you not competent enough for that to occur to you?

Competent people can see that Clinton is a centrist. Incompetent people can't figure out what that means.

 

[disappoint]

Competent people can see that Clinton is a centrist. Incompetent people can't figure out what that means.

Riiight. I'm sure she would have given equal attention to the needs of all of those lobbyists representing people below the poverty line as she will to the ones that donated large sums to her campaign and the foreign governments that donated to her foundation. You're sure you're competent right? I mean how sure really, say, on a scale from 1 to 10 compared to all of us lesser folks on here you keep referring to as stupid?

 

[Moonbeam]

Interesting that you bring that up, since the proggie message for a few decades has been that exact viewpoint. You cannot succeed on your own. Only the power of government allows you to succeed in this racist, elitist nation. And if you did succeed . . . You didn't build that. Learn that you are helpless, and put government in charge of everything from your education to what you are allowed to eat and drink for lunch.

And Seligman will hopefully burn in hell for shocking dogs in the name of science. That is why G-d gave us grad students.

Just a point of clarity if I may..... If Republicans are all about self reliance, why did all the losers vote for Trump to save them from their state of economic despair? Why weren't they too busy to vote running their businesses? And have you seen the tax code. Billions of pages of lobbyist generated exemptions for Republican one percenters? I mean at least the Democrats have the great good sense only to pretend to help the poor, right?

 

[agent00f]

Riiight. I'm sure she would have given equal attention to the needs of all of those lobbyists representing people below the poverty line as she will to the ones that donated large sums to her campaign and the foreign governments that donated to her foundation. You're sure you're competent right? I mean how sure really, say, on a scale from 1 to 10 compared to all of us lesser folks on here you keep referring to as stupid?

As predicted the incompetent cannot figure out how centrism works. That's where someone gives everyone a bit of what they want as a compromise, not that an explanation will help due to the nature of incompetence.

 

[disappoint]

As predicted the incompetent cannot figure out how centrism works. That's where someone gives everyone a bit of what they want as a compromise, not that an explanation will help due to the nature of incompetence.

This is not a difficult concept, even for you. I'll spell it out for you: You believe she's a centrist, I don't.

 

[agent00f]

This is not a difficult concept, even for you. I'll spell it out for you: You believe she's a centrist, I don't.

You also believe "both sides equally bad" and other gop pr agitprop, like a simpleton as mentioned. There's no way around the factual reality of this. In order to "win" against facts you'll have to start using methods such as dishonesty like the core conservatives here.

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting that you bring that up, since the proggie message for a few decades has been that exact viewpoint. You cannot succeed on your own. Only the power of government allows you to succeed in this racist, elitist nation. And if you did succeed . . . You didn't build that. Learn that you are helpless, and put government in charge of everything from your education to what you are allowed to eat and drink for lunch.

And Seligman will hopefully burn in hell for shocking dogs in the name of science. That is why G-d gave us grad students.

It seems clear that govt is necessary in more ways than you're willing to admit, being in an emotional snit & all.

It also seems clear that a Trump admin will be GWB 2.0 on steroids & meth. One more aspect of it all-

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-deregulation-privatized-social-security.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/o...on=column&rref=collection/column/paul-krugman

And another-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/20...lection=Opinion&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body&_r=0

I thought Trump voters were tired of the guys at the top getting all the gravy...

 

[disappoint]

You also believe "both sides equally bad" and other gop pr agitprop, like a simpleton as mentioned. There's no way around the fact reality of this. You'll have to start using methods such as dishonesty like the core conservatives here.

No need for dishonesty from me. Both sides are bad isn't agitprop, it's a fact. They are bad in different ways. If you don't see that, you have blinders on that the media gave you and you decided to wear like a badge of honor.

 

[agent00f]

No need for dishonesty from me. Both sides are bad isn't agitprop, it's a fact. They are bad in different ways. If you don't see that, you have blinders on that the media gave you and you decided to wear like a badge of honor.

It's pretty easy for competent people to figure out that the worst party will want to claim everyone else is just as bad. OTOH simpletons just can't figure that one out.

 

[disappoint]

It's pretty easy for competent people to figure out that the worst party will want to claim everyone else is just as bad. OTOH simpletons just can't figure that one out.

Good thing I don't self identify with either party or I might worry I'll end up like you.

 

[Abwx]

Just a point of clarity if I may..... If Republicans are all about self reliance, why did all the losers vote for Trump to save them from their state of economic despair? Why weren't they too busy to vote running their businesses? And have you seen the tax code. Billions of pages of lobbyist generated exemptions for Republican one percenters? I mean at least the Democrats have the great good sense only to pretend to help the poor, right?

Nicely put...

They are asking for a typical socialist policy but without the word socialism..

They should know that in the country of USA socialism, and even communism, is reserved to the wealthy people, as pointed numerous times banks and GM were bailed out with the common good that is public money, and as such it was communism to the benefit of those corporate s stock holders.

If the state had really worked in the interest of the nation they would had let the banks being bankrupted so they could be bought by the government a few pennies for a million $$....

 

[agent00f]

Good thing I don't self identify with either party or I might worry I'll end up like you.

So not only can you never figure out any of this simple stuff, you also believe that someone who readily falls for gop agitprop is "independent". You really are dumber than the buckshot/legendkiller's who push what you believe.

 

[agent00f]

Nicely put...

They are asking for a typical socialist policy but without the word socialism..

They should know that in the country of USA socialism, and even communism, is reserved to the wealthy people, as pointed numerous times banks and GM were bailed out with the common good that is public money, and as such it was communism to the benefit of those corporate s stock holders.

If the state had really worked in the interest of the nation they would had let the banks being bankrupted so they could be bought by the government a few pennies for a million $$....

In GM's case they did cram down the previous bondholders for pennies per chap 11. The conservatives complained quite a bit about that.

You're right they should've done the same for the banks, though that was largely for the smaller ones and not the ones you're thinking of which weren't at risk.

The Treasury did do the right thing though to force the latter to sell their shares to the gov at advantageous prices. Which again the smarter conservatives who can understand what was going on complained about.

 

[Abwx]

In GM's case they did cram down the previous bondholders for pennies per chap 11. The conservatives complained quite a bit about that.

Well, that was the exception that confirmed the rule, and also that the banks grip over the government is extremely tight, not that it was different here in Europe where thousands billions of fiat money were also issued to rescue the banksters.

What people do not understand is that we were all collectively forced to loan money to thoses financial gansters, it s our future incomes that were mortgaged for their benefit, but you cant explain this to people as they wouldnt understand, and indeed the power of the oligarchies comes straight out from the peoples ignorance.