Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[Sonikku]

Maybe he was drawing "Mirror, Mirror" Trump, who is the kindest and most considerate man in politics.

 

[dank69]

Dude, those are hilarious. Your first link is making the "point" that it's okay to destroy material under subpoena as long as your request to destroy predates the subpoena. That ain't how the law works. Well, not for us 99%ers anyway.

Your second link makes the "point" that Hillary's phones would have been destroyed anyway. That's akin to claiming that one's client did not commit robbery because the victim would have eventually spent that money anyway.

Too bad both articles mention that the FBI concluded that these incidents showed carelessness in disposal of information that was supposed to be destroyed, not attempts to destroy information that was not supposed to be destroyed, which is the discussion we are having here.

 

[disappoint]

Literally a few minutes and you could have cleaned some of the shit out of your skull so I don't have to.

Is that what you think you were doing? Hahaha. I can picture you frothing at the mouth excited at the deliciousness of your deluded win completely unaware that none of those links has refuted anything I've said. Did you read those links with rose colored glasses or something? How do you not realize what you posted? Your mind must have filtered out what was written there and substituted what you wanted to believe.

 

[werepossum]

Maybe he was drawing "Mirror, Mirror" Trump, who is the kindest and most considerate man in politics.

I doubt even "Mirror, Mirror" Trump looks like that.

Too bad both articles mention that the FBI concluded that these incidents showed carelessness in disposal of information that was supposed to be destroyed, not attempts to destroy information that was not supposed to be destroyed, which is the discussion we are having here.

lol Of course the FBI said that. If there's one thing we all absolutely, positively know, it's that the FBI only spent all that time and money recovering and recreating her official correspondence so that they could make sure it was all properly destroyed.

 

[dank69]

Is that what you think you were doing? Hahaha. I can picture you frothing at the mouth excited at the deliciousness of your deluded win completely unaware that none of those links has refuted anything I've said. Did you read those links with rose colored glasses or something? How do you not realize what you posted? Your mind must have filtered out what was written there and substituted what you wanted to believe.

Your claim:

The Clinton camp is nothing if not thorough in destroying evidence. Why else do you think they erased all of those emails and smashed cellphones with hammers?

From my first link:

FBI director James B. Comey has said his agency’s investigation found no evidence that any work-related emails were “intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.”

From the second:

But the worst screwups she and her staff made, like setting up her private server outside the federal government’s protection and losing a backup of those emails on a computer sent through the mail, were moves that threatened to let sensitive data leak, not make it disappear.

The important thing here is that you MUST NOT under any circumstances let these facts make you question that any info in your head might be wrong. You must not even begin to think that maybe Clinton didn't do anything wrong because then you would be wrong and OH MY GOD we can't have that it would be the end of the fucking world. So the next step would be for you to start down the road of claiming the GOP appointed FBI director is also in Hillary's pocket. So far in her pocket that he literally torpedoed her campaign a week before the election doing something so unprecedented that even right-wingers were left saying "wtf not cool man."

 

[dank69]

I doubt even "Mirror, Mirror" Trump looks like that.


lol Of course the FBI said that. If there's one thing we all absolutely, positively know, it's that the FBI only spent all that time and money recovering and recreating her official correspondence so that they could make sure it was all properly destroyed.

Are you saying you are not aware that the primary reason for the investigation was to make sure classified info didn't fall into the wrong hands?

 

[Jhhnn]

I'll forgo pointing out that two of your three links are Krugman opinion pieces and simply say that I think Trump voters are tired of people in other nations getting all the gravy, or at least, the portion they used to get.

I really have no idea why they expect Trump to change things, other than both parties hate him.

Heh. Repubs never really had a problem with Trump, other than seeing him as too crass & vulgar to win. Now that he has, they're getting all lovey-dovey over privatization, financial deregulation & more tax cuts at the top.

Don't expect Sessions to anything more than twiddle his thumbs wrt anti-trust actions, either. And, uhh, kiss net neutrality goodbye while you have the chance.

 

[Moonbeam]

werepossum, I do not believe you when you say you omit a letter in God because you enjoy setting off certain people. What I see is a mind very much given over to superstitious faith based belief. I also believe that your opinion of Clinton is also nothing more or less that a weakness of mind that would fall for such shit. I believe you bear false witness to thoughts that are evil and hide that fact from yourself out of fear. Do I know any of this. Of course I don't but I thought you should know what it looks like when you're not pitching and are the receiver. You are what you see in Hillary Clinton. Forgive her and you'll be able to face yourself for who you are.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes, yes the Republicans blocked Sanders' proposal. You know who else blocked Sanders? The DNC.

I was saying both sides are bad thanks for helping me make my point.

Your point isn't that both sides are bad but that they are equally bad, that Clinton who was the only alternative to Trump would have been equally bad. So, while you rant and rave at everybody who questions that I personally believe your opinion is insane. I didn't want the Democrats to run Clinton because 30 years or so of professional derision has taken a huge toll on her reputation that would end in her defeat as well as her centrist stance was just out of kilter for the emotional state of the American people, 29 percent of those who could vote, didn't. That's about 33% more than voted for either Trump or Clinton. So I believe your position is insane because you offer nothing but a prescription, both are bad, don't vote for either of them, but you offer nothing that has even the slightest chance of winning. I think you are a moral coward who feels so dirty you can't make a dirty vote, paralyzed by an imbecilic attachment to perfection and no plan to offer it. I see you as a delusional idealist, a dreamer with his head in the clouds.

Would Clinton have been better than Trump? Anybody with a grain of sanity, seems to me, would have to say yes. And the majority of those who voted agree with me. So, would you agree that if I am right and you equally bad people cost Clinton the election then you helped the greater evil to become President of the United States,, or would seeing that fact make you feel too much like a traitorous dog, the unconscious feeling you actually suffer from in my opinion.

 

[werepossum]

Are you saying you are not aware that the primary reason for the investigation was to make sure classified info didn't fall into the wrong hands?

The FBI investigation was to make sure laws were followed. One part of that was to see if classified information was leaked. Another part was to try to retrieve official government records that Hillary illegally deleted or edited. Both parts are important. They did not go to such lengths to find and recreate (from imperfectly destroyed electronic files) her emails just to make sure the emails were not leaked, they also restored them because that's the law and those emails are subject to FOIA requests as well as being important to the next administration. Although Trump cannot know how much was leaked to foreign governments, he should at least have the record of what was said, offered, and promised.

 

[werepossum]

Your point isn't that both sides are bad but that they are equally bad, that Clinton who was the only alternative to Trump would have been equally bad. So, while you rant and rave at everybody who questions that I personally believe your opinion is insane. I didn't want the Democrats to run Clinton because 30 years or so of professional derision has taken a huge toll on her reputation that would end in her defeat as well as her centrist stance was just out of kilter for the emotional state of the American people, 29 percent of those who could vote, didn't. That's about 33% more than voted for either Trump or Clinton. So I believe your position is insane because you offer nothing but a prescription, both are bad, don't vote for either of them, but you offer nothing that has even the slightest chance of winning. I think you are a moral coward who feels so dirty you can't make a dirty vote, paralyzed by an imbecilic attachment to perfection and no plan to offer it. I see you as a delusional idealist, a dreamer with his head in the clouds.

Would Clinton have been better than Trump? Anybody with a grain of sanity, seems to me, would have to say yes. And the majority of those who voted agree with me. So, would you agree that if I am right and you equally bad people cost Clinton the election then you helped the greater evil to become President of the United States,, or would seeing that fact make you feel too much like a traitorous dog, the unconscious feeling you actually suffer from in my opinion.

Dude, you have gone as insane as Sportage. Seriously, seek professional help. And this time, let your psychiatrist do the psychiatry part. Seriously, you are not helping yourself.

Also, a majority did not vote with you. Hillary won a plurality only. The American people are tiring of deciding which dog turd is less rank, and frankly, we are tired of being told that being the lesser evil is reason enough for our votes. Loudly proclaiming that the other guy is even worse no longer suffices to win an election, let alone a majority of voters. If nothing else, Trump is good to show this point.

 

[agent00f]

While a full answer would fill several volumes of books that would be as non-fictional as the ones I've read, the short answer is posters like you that are unable to refute what I wrote despite multiple failed attempts to do so while believing you did.

There's no doubt that like any simpleton you believe nobody can refute what you wrote, remember every explanation of just that are has been archived above for posterity, including this very post pointing out you routinely write garbage like "While a full answer would ..., the short answer is" while not actually providing anything. Mouthing off when they run of excuses for their failures is just how simpleton minds operate.

 

[agent00f]

Case in point, how they try to troll by misspelling words is representative of simpleton mental processes:

That's a habit I long ago picked up on Jewish religion message boards. To my shame, I have to admit that as much as from habit, I keep it because it causes frothy rage among proggies and that amuses me. I do like werep-ssum though, and I feel sure that God will approve.

I always wondered why they did that and now thanks to you I've a glimpse into the possible explanation. Possibly there was once one guy that was a bit unstable in the membrane who flew into panic, rage or one followed by the other every time someone spelled God correctly and everyone started omitting the 'o' just to appease him so he doesn't take a swan dive off the nearest cliff. Henceforth everyone just does it out of habit like you even though none of them believe God would be so irrational as to hate the letter 'o' in the label people made up for him.

 

[agent00f]

It was actually the same as in Europe,

The euro banks were never forced to provide preferred equity to the government at preferable prices as noted in that very link, whereby if they ever took undue risk for recover or whatever their asses are owned.

they paid interests for the borrowed money but they also got unlimited garantee from the governments meaning that the govs were the ultimate debtors should the banks default their engagements,.

Guarantees against banking failure was only ever going to be there with any sane government, whether explicit or implicit.

I know no bank that loan me money while accepting the risks of my eventual defaults, that s total non sense and the price they paid for this service was more symbolic than anything else given the extent of the help provided by the governments.

A single bank like our BNP/Paribas had 50 000 bns $ engaged in the derivative markets, so the few bns interests were actually zero in respect of the risks that were defaulted on the governments....

That's exact why it was essential for the government to set up a mechanism to align their interests with ours. Paulson/treasury knew what he was doing. You can tell because the bankers/conservative were whining about it.

 

[Moonbeam]

werepossum: Dude, you have gone as insane as Sportage. Seriously, seek professional help. And this time, let your psychiatrist do the psychiatry part. Seriously, you are not helping yourself.

M: I would love to do that but I don't have the cash right now. I Have spent my Mom's allowance this week on two tanks and a nuclear submarine just in case you act on your promise of violence if the recount shows Clinton won. But I will gladly go later to any doctor who can cure you.

w: Also, a majority did not vote with you. Hillary won a plurality only.

M: Jesus, I just mentioned that 30% of eligible voters didn't vote. Was it really that difficult to understand that by a majority I meant those who voted Clinton over Trump.

w: The American people are tiring of deciding which dog turd is less rank, and frankly, we are tired of being told that being the lesser evil is reason enough for our votes. Loudly proclaiming that the other guy is even worse no longer suffices to win an election, let alone a majority of voters.

M: I understand your anger and your irrational dog turd thesis but I came to a different and I believe superior moral conclusion than you did. My personal anger is irresponsible and has to be set aside when I face the challenge of making the best choice for the nation and there isn't a scintilla of doubt in my mind that the most rational choice was Clinton, dog turds and all. You came to a different conclusion, in my opinion, because you have been affected by negative programming more than I have and are quite clearly less emotionally mature. But then, you wouldn't know that because it's also how you really feel and are morally too cowardly to see. You have to be careful with us liberals. We can be such insufferable snobs. The advantage, however, is that in winter time I can ski down my nose.

w: If nothing else, Trump is good to show this point.

M: Congratulations! You and your childish brethren in a fit of prepubescent pique, voted for an asshole for President of out country to announce your level of maturity.

Fucking thanks. But you should understand that at my level of emotional development you haven't the launch capacity to reach my space station fully cloaked out there in the stars.

Doctor recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLfQkHQlE8

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Pretty obvious Clinton lost because the Trump's message of racial resentment really resonates in the rust belt. That's were all the uneducated whites he pulled +14% on are, and no amount of their educated counterparts which swung the other way in regions that have a future matter in the electoral college system.

Keep telling yourself it was all about racism and had nothing to do with the fact that Hillary had all the charisma of a mud puddle. Hillary didn't get the same votes that Obama did. If she had she would have won the election. Stop trying to blame Trump supporters and blame the Democratic party instead.

I would agree they're pretty idiotic to accept getting milked for considerable money with nothing to show in return. It's actually worse than nothing if we count your sort's mouthiness.

My sort? I didn't vote for Trump. I'm simply here to remind morons like you that arrogance, self-righteous assholishness, and smugness lost this election. Keep up the good work homes. You're a poster child for every one of those things.

 

[agent00f]

Keep telling yourself it was all about racism and had nothing to do with the fact that Hillary had all the charisma of a mud puddle. Hillary didn't get the same votes that Obama did. If she had she would have won the election. Stop trying to blame Trump supporters and blame the Democratic party instead.

I've mentioned on numerous occasion that Clinton lacks the political charisma particularly useful for people like you.

My sort? I didn't vote for Trump. I'm simply here to remind morons like you that arrogance, self-righteous assholishness, and smugness lost this election. Keep up the good work homes. You're a poster child for every one of those things.

If smugness won election, Trump would put me on that rally podium instead of himself bagging on this and that minority. Funny you don't want to give Trump any credit for the +14% non-college white vote who were his target audience in that rust belt.

 

[Jhhnn]

Keep telling yourself it was all about racism and had nothing to do with the fact that Hillary had all the charisma of a mud puddle. Hillary didn't get the same votes that Obama did. If she had she would have won the election. Stop trying to blame Trump supporters and blame the Democratic party instead.


My sort? I didn't vote for Trump. I'm simply here to remind morons like you that arrogance, self-righteous assholishness, and smugness lost this election. Keep up the good work homes. You're a poster child for every one of those things.

Funny how you discount Repub efforts to slime her any way they could, a process that's gone on for decades. Propaganda works. Trump's election is a tribute to that, make no mistake about it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I've mentioned on numerous occasion that Clinton lacks the political charisma particularly useful for people like you.

Right. She only appealed to people like you who seem to have the characteristics I mentioned previously.

If smugness won election, Trump would put me on that rally podium instead of himself bagging on this and that minority. Funny you don't want to give Trump any credit for the +14% non-college white vote who were his target audience in that rust belt.

It doesn't matter what Trump pulled in. What matters is what Hillary didn't pull in. Trump didn't win the election, the Democrats lost by running Hillary. You feign to be so intelligent (clearly you aren't, you're just an arrogant shill) and that doesn't seem to sink into your thick, partisan skull.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Funny how you discount Repub efforts to slime her any way they could, a process that's gone on for decades. Propaganda works. Trump's election is a tribute to that, make no mistake about it.

lol. Did you miss the Clinton commercials in the last month of the campaign?

I can always count on you to turn a blind eye, Jhhnn, and you didn't disappoint this time either..

 

[agent00f]

Right. She only appealed to people like you who seem to have the characteristics I mentioned previously.

She appeals to people who think the campaign should be more of a job interview than a reality show for the lowest common denominator. Personally I don't much care for centrists, but they're better than ethnocentric fascists.

It doesn't matter what Trump pulled in. What matters is what Hillary didn't pull in. Trump didn't win the election, the Democrats lost by running Hillary. You feign to be so intelligent (clearly you aren't, you're just an arrogant shill) and that doesn't seem to sink into your thick, partisan skull.

Trump very much won the election through the non-college rust belt white vote, which was turned in unprecedented fashion except for maybe the civil right era. Clinton still got 2 million more votes but they weren't with the right demo/places. This is simply a fact and it's not to your advantage to brag about ignorance of it.

Try to keep in mind I'm not here to win hearts and minds, just telling it like is it even if it paints a lot of people in a poor light. The anti-trump from your perspective figuratively speaking.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

She appeals to people who think the campaign should be more of a job interview than a reality show for the lowest common denominator. Personally I don't much care for centrists, but they're better than ethnocentric fascists.

I doubt centrists care much for ethnocentric fascists or people like yourself. They likely find both repugnant.

Trump very much won the election through the non-college rust belt white vote, which was turned in unprecedented fashion except for maybe the civil right era. Clinton still got 2 million more votes but they weren't with the right demo/places. This is simply a fact and it's not to your advantage to brag about ignorance of it. Keep in mind I'm not here to win hearts and minds, just telling it like is it.

I bet you didn't mind when those same non-college whites voted for Obama, eh?

The Democrats ran a shitty candidate. Deal with it and get the fuck over it already because there isn't squat you can do about it. I mean, it's already very clear that you're smug, arrogant, and self-righteous. I guess sore loser can be added to that list as well. Sore losers won't win the next election. Move on, homie.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol. Did you miss the Clinton commercials in the last month of the campaign?

I can always count on you to turn a blind eye, Jhhnn, and you didn't disappoint this time either..

Did you divert from the point I made? Yes you did.

Repubs beat down Clinton's credibility with relentless innuendo, lies & distortions. This was the first election of the post-truth era.

Hell, they're still doing it, repeating the same stuff even after she lost the election.

 

[agent00f]

I doubt centrists care much for ethnocentric fascists or people like yourself. They likely find both repugnant.

If you knew anything about centrism, then it would be obvious they cared a little bit about every demo.

I bet you didn't mind when those same non-college whites voted for Obama, eh?

As they should for the people who were either about to or saved what good jobs they had in the auto sector meltdown. Too bad they found racial resentment cranked to 11 an even more compelling message. To their credit mccain/romney had some self-respect/dignity.

The Democrats ran a shitty candidate. Deal with it and get the fuck over it already because there isn't squat you can do about it. I mean, it's already very clear that you're smug, arrogant, and self-righteous. I guess sore loser can be added to that list as well. Sore losers won't win the next election. Move on, homie.

Quite ironic claim given it's hardly me who's been transformed by this election, specifically from depression that their backwards past is going away to positively ecstatic about winning something no matter how.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Did you divert from the point I made? Yes you did

No. No I didn't. It was a shitstorm of slime from both sides. It's not my problem that you don't want to accept that fact.