Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[emperus]

Hey, how are you doing? Holding up ok?

Transition process isn't going any worse than any other recent president.

I'm quite fine. I have enough money in the bank and have enough expertise in what I do, that I will be. Now people who I assume are in your socio-econoimc class may not be when Trump starts instituting trade wars (and products at your local Walmart start increasing) or starts another war and your kids go off to die in it. I guarantee you, it's not the "elite" as you call them who will be suffering. It's amazing how people vote against their own self interests and cheer about it.

 

[emperus]

False. It is effectively a two party system, but not a binary decision . There are three logical outputs a, b and neither a nor b. Literally, if one looks at the ballot, there are three choices to be made - that is absolutely not binary.

I think you miss the point of what a binary choice is when it comes to elections. Can I ask how old you are?

Btw, I'm getting at you because you seem to be more rational than other people here. But it also sounds like you bought into this false equivalency meme, it's naive and doesn't require a lot of greater depth of thought. Like I asked you what points you thought Hilary didn't focus on because she "overly" focused on identity politics and you never replied. That train of "thought" is similar to all those Trump supporters in this thread who voted for a man yet cannot articulate one of his policy proposals.

 

[Moonbeam]

Man, one cannot make this stuff up. You guys are just too funny. Y'all have your talking points memorized and fit other's comments into to those whether or not they are appropriate. I feel like I just dropped in to a junior high debate team - ad hominem attacks - lolz. XD!

You are calling the people criticizing you a junior high debate team and then complaining of ad hominem attacks. I am sure you actually believe that's what they are. Can you see they may feel the same about what they call you? I find you guilty because you did not vote your awareness that Clinton was a better choice because I also believe she was. I see the difference between you and me to be that I did not totally buy into the notion that Clinton was worthless because I think I am more immune to propaganda than you are. I believe that the billions of dollars and huge effort spent to characterize Clinton as a monster was mostly propaganda, I also believe that people who have bias that has been inculcated by propaganda do not recognize it for what it is. It isn't very flattering to see yourself as a tool, nor is it fun to be told you are, especially, and I emphasize this, if you actually are. It's typical to reject the other guy as nuts, or to say this was all rehearsed and propaganda itself. There are two things you should know about politics. One is that people respond to negative propaganda, The other is that in a bitter political climate, millions of people, disgusted by what they witness, will not vote at all, Republicans are team players with powerful group loyalty and will always show up so they create a shit storm over elections that guarantees they will win. You helped with that in my opinion. I don't hold it against you because we live in a world of darkness, but if you hold it against yourself it could come out as anger towards me.

 

[buckshot24]

I'm quite fine. I have enough money in the bank and have enough expertise in what I do, that I will be. Now people who I assume are in your socio-econoimc class may not be when Trump starts instituting trade wars (and products at your local Walmart start increasing) or starts another war and your kids go off to die in it. I guarantee you, it's not the "elite" as you call them who will be suffering. It's amazing how people vote against their own self interests and cheer about it.

You were missing after the election, I was hoping you weren't emotionally wrecked after ol Hillary was put out of her political misery. President Trump isn't going to cause any of those things you were talking about. Hillary was the one provoking Russia with her baseless allegations. The arrogance you just displayed here is why Hillary lost, keep it up. You have no idea what my "class" is, I'll be fine no matter who was elected, hack.

 

[emperus]

You were missing after the election, I was hoping you weren't emotionally wrecked after ol Hillary was put out of her political misery. President Trump isn't going to cause any of those things you were talking about. Hillary was the one provoking Russia with her baseless allegations. The arrogance you just displayed here is why Hillary lost, keep it up. You have no idea what my "class" is, I'll be fine no matter who was elected, hack.

Tell me what arrogance I displayed or maybe you can write a couple of lines about the policies Trump supported, how he claims he'll bring them about, how he would pay for them and how they would effectively help you and the people who voted for him. But I don't think I'll get that answer from you. You sound like the people in London cheering after Brexit. Funny, you know what followed, a mass googling in the UK of what Brexit actually was after their currency crashed. I also bet you're going to be so proud when you kids are in bible school, talking about the moral leader their president is.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Working people voting Republican is a lot like battered spouse syndrome.

Do you guys recall a psychological researcher named Martin Seligman who did research on learned helplessness? When he had the dogs in his apparatus they learned to give up and just take the abuse.

Figure 5.11 Seligman’s Apparatus

In Seligman’s studies of learned helplessness, dogs were placed in a two-sided box. Dogs that had no prior experience with being unable to escape a shock would quickly jump over the hurdle in the center of the box to land on the “safe” side. Dogs that had previously learned that escape was impossible would stay on the side of the box in which the shock occurred, not even trying to go over the hurdle.


Why would the conditioned dogs refuse to move when shocked? The dogs that had been harnessed while being conditioned had apparently learned in the original tone/shock situation that there was nothing they could do to escape the shock. So when placed in a situation in which escape was possible, the dogs still did nothing because they had learned to be “helpless.” They believed they could not escape, so they did not try.
(Ciccarelli 208)

References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
Ciccarelli, Saundra K., J. White. Psychology , 4th Edition. Pearson Learning Solutions, 01/2014. VitalBook file.

 

[Ajay]

Apparently, some people on this subforum seem to have problems with reading comprehension - yet, they are able to infer a person's *true* motives from a few posts. Yeesh!

 

[Jhhnn]

Get out of your bubble. I've not encountered a bigger partisan hack, online, than you. If you quit demonizing and tried to actually understand a different point of view you might better yourself.

Struck a nerve, huh?

Show me a Republican who doesn't believe in "free market" trickle down economics & we can talk, OK?

Conservatives are as much if not more a victim of that than liberals because they tend to live in the places where the economic forces behind that have had the most devastating effects. The Job Creators, not the govt, moved on to greener pastures, one way or another.

Nobody got in their way & Repub ideology has facilitated that entirely while preventing constructive alternatives, ways to compensate people for the shift that has already occurred. Capitalism has moved to a higher level of organization while conservative headsets prevent us from doing the same with govt, the only thing that can dictate to them rather than them dictating to us.

We been dumped, Honey, like frumpy middle aged executive wives. Adopting Repub ideology just means we're willing to let them have everything in the divorce.

 

[Moonbeam]

Apparently, some people on this subforum seem to have problems with reading comprehension - yet, they are able to infer a person's *true* motives from a few posts. Yeesh!

I don't know what you think isn't being read properly nor am I much interested in an argument about it. What I do feel is true is that we construct a view of reality which confirms our opinions as right. Do you think I have constructed reality improperly here. Do people often do that or not? If you agree you might ask if people are misreading or you want to think they are.

 

[Moonbeam]

Struck a nerve, huh?

Show me a Republican who doesn't believe in "free market" trickle down economics & we can talk, OK?

Conservatives are as much if not more a victim of that than liberals because they tend to live in the places where the economic forces behind that have had the most devastating effects. The Job Creators, not the govt, moved on to greener pastures, one way or another.

Nobody got in their way & Repub ideology has facilitated that entirely while preventing constructive alternatives, ways to compensate people for the shift that has already occurred. Capitalism has moved to a higher level of organization while conservative headsets prevent us from doing the same with govt, the only thing that can dictate to them rather than them dictating to us.

We been dumped, Honey, like frumpy middle aged executive wives. Adopting Repub ideology just means we're willing to let them have everything in the divorce.

I'm guessing he would have a hard time admitting to himself that he's his own worst enemy. It wasn't easy for me but I had a much bigger pile of evidence.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Last I heard, sour grapes are still sour.

 

[buckshot24]

Tell me what arrogance I displayed or maybe you can write a couple of lines about the policies Trump supported, how he claims he'll bring them about, how he would pay for them and how they would effectively help you and the people who voted for him. But I don't think I'll get that answer from you. You sound like the people in London cheering after Brexit. Funny, you know what followed, a mass googling in the UK of what Brexit actually was after their currency crashed. I also bet you're going to be so proud when you kids are in bible school, talking about the moral leader their president is.

First, you assumed I was of a low social economic class, I'm not. Second, you assume you know what is best for other people and that they are too stupid to know better, you don't. Third, you are a liberal Democrat.

Hillary losing was great but knowing that people like you didn't get what they wanted is even better. When none of the crap you think is going to happen what are you going to say next? Are you going to make more baseless predictions?

We know Trump isn't a personally moral person in many ways and we also know that Hillary isn't any better.

 

[buckshot24]

Struck a nerve, huh?

Show me a Republican who doesn't believe in "free market" trickle down economics & we can talk, OK?

Conservatives are as much if not more a victim of that than liberals because they tend to live in the places where the economic forces behind that have had the most devastating effects. The Job Creators, not the govt, moved on to greener pastures, one way or another.

Nobody got in their way & Repub ideology has facilitated that entirely while preventing constructive alternatives, ways to compensate people for the shift that has already occurred. Capitalism has moved to a higher level of organization while conservative headsets prevent us from doing the same with govt, the only thing that can dictate to them rather than them dictating to us.

We been dumped, Honey, like frumpy middle aged executive wives. Adopting Repub ideology just means we're willing to let them have everything in the divorce.

No, I'm just thinking of you as a person. This response is further proof that you've lost the plot.

 

[theeedude]

November 8 2016 will be another day that will live in infamy, except it will be worse because we did it to ourselves.
America will emerge from Trumpism irreparably diminished and humbled, but hopefully wiser.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, I'm just thinking of you as a person. This response is further proof that you've lost the plot.

Obfuscational bullshit.

 

[emperus]

First, you assumed I was of a low social economic class, I'm not. Second, you assume you know what is best for other people and that they are too stupid to know better, you don't. Third, you are a liberal Democrat.

Hillary losing was great but knowing that people like you didn't get what they wanted is even better. When none of the crap you think is going to happen what are you going to say next? Are you going to make more baseless predictions?

We know Trump isn't a personally moral person in many ways and we also know that Hillary isn't any better.

So, neither of us know exactly what is going to happen to happen in the future. But you seem to somehow believe that how a person currently behaves or has behaved in the past is in no way an indicator of how they will behave in the future. Do you believe that is a prudent analysis?

I asked you to name some of Trump's policies that you believe would help you or people in your socio-economic class. You haven't or you can't, same difference. But you voted for the man because...?

Again, you say Hilary is no more a moral person than Trump. List some things you believe Hilary has done that makes that a true statement. That statement is almost as embarrassing as Jerry Falwell jr. saying we aren't electing a pastor in chief but a commander in chief. lol...

It gets frustrating having discussions like this because there's little facts to argue. Everything seems to be largely conjecture filled with emotion.

 

[m8d]

Looks like Trump not interested in intelligence briefings. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c643c4-b1ae-11e6-be1c-8cec35b1ad25_story.html

 

[Victorian Gray]

Looks like Trump not interested in intelligence briefings. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c643c4-b1ae-11e6-be1c-8cec35b1ad25_story.html

The CEO of the United States of Kansas doesn't have to worry himself with the small stuff. That's what his family and minions like Pence are for.

 

[sportage]

What next to look out for .......?
Inauguration day.

Do people even realize the mass of protests about to take place on that darkest of dark day in American history?
Protest coverage will surely drown out any positive news coverage of the actual inauguration.
Trump will be egged. His motorcade egged. And in no way will Trump get out of that car to walk that last arm of that inauguration route to the Whitehouse.
The secret service will never allow it. And even if they did, Trump would be far too scared to get out and walk.

What is that term again used in war?
Welcome to inauguration day. Welcome to shock and awe?

 

[agent00f]

"Caricature" has nothing to do with you repeatedly referring to blacks as "darkies," racist. But keep making excuses

Rather expected the trump white power crowd lack the capacity to figure it out.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You don't seem much brighter than Ajay for the same reasons.

Who are you? Oh, right. You're yet another leftist moron and Johnny-come-lately in here who is completely baffled as to why Hillary lost, and subsequently rants about how others aren't "bright." Keep telling yourself how awesome and brilliant you are compared to everyone else while looking sternly down your pointy nose from the top of your pointy head and maybe you'll figure it out eventually.

lol @ the oblivious idjits in this place

 

[agent00f]

Who are you? Oh, right. You're yet another leftist moron and Johnny-come-lately in here who is completely baffled as to why Hillary lost, and subsequently rants about how others aren't "bright." Keep telling yourself how awesome and brilliant you are compared to everyone else while looking sternly down your pointy nose from the top of your pointy head and maybe you'll figure it out eventually.

lol @ the oblivious idjits in this place

Pretty obvious Clinton lost because the Trump's message of racial resentment really resonates in the rust belt. That's were all the uneducated whites he pulled +14% on are, and no amount of their educated counterparts which swung the other way in regions that have a future matter in the electoral college system.

I would agree they're pretty idiotic to accept getting milked for considerable money with nothing to show in return. It's actually worse than nothing if we count your sort's mouthiness.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Damn those racist Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians that voted for Trump!!!!

 

[agent00f]

Damn those racist Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians that voted for Trump!!!!

It should come as no surprise to people loudly proclaiming they exist that they actually do; fortunately in lesser ratios for those familiar with that concept from elementary math.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yet, more of them voted for Trump than they did for Romney......those damned racist.