Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[Jhhnn]

Gotta give you credit. You only have one song, but you sing it all day long, every day, at the top of your lungs. That's . . . something, I suppose.

So, you got nuthin', as expected.

I mean, Jeff Sessions as AG won't embolden the racist fringe, will it? Probably won't embolden voter suppression efforts, either, right?

WTF planet are you from, anyway?

 

[werepossum]

So, you got nuthin', as expected.

I mean, Jeff Sessions as AG won't embolden the racist fringe, will it? Probably won't embolden voter suppression efforts, either, right?

WTF planet are you from, anyway?

The one where we don't assume that someone elected Senator with over 97% of the vote represents "the racist fringe". Those of us living here call it reality, but hey, that's just a big word that means racism, right?

Don't worry, it won't infringe on your safe space.

 

[buckshot24]

I remember Jhhnn referring to a black guy as a "house N word". Maybe it was Herman Cain, I can't remember who it was. Does anybody else remember that?

 

[Roflmouth]

It's a national disaster for the idiots on the left who assumed they had the culture war locked up. How humiliating for them

 

[Jhhnn]

I remember Jhhnn referring to a black guy as a "house N word". Maybe it was Herman Cain, I can't remember who it was. Does anybody else remember that?

Personal attack via innuendo? Is nothing beneath you?

 

[buckshot24]

Personal attack via innuendo? Is nothing beneath you?

Context. Tired of race baiters who are themselves racists. But maybe I'm remembering this wrong. Let me do some digging....

 

[Ajay]

It's not only hilarious, it's delicious to see these lefty Democrats slither and slime while they keep up spreading the lies. They still can't comprehend why Trump won and their own massive contribution to it.

I'm an independent. Not a lefty or righty. As far as I'm concerned, the hilarious part is the way both sides are perpetually slinging mud at each other.
What we need is government that works for the people. I am tired of the corruption on both sides. I am tired of the middle class getting the shaft and the 1% getting a pass.
Self centered, we are the only ones who are right politics is what is truly stupid. Both candidates, this time around, were awful. I mean, that's the best we've got in a country of 300M+ ppl?
I wish Trump the best of luck, because, whether I like it or not, he is the next president.

 

[agent00f]

I'm an independent. Not a lefty or righty. As far as I'm concerned, the hilarious part is the way both sides are perpetually slinging mud at each other.
What we need is government that works for the people. I am tired of the corruption on both sides. I am tired of the middle class getting the shaft and the 1% getting a pass.
Self centered, we are the only ones who are right politics is what is truly stupid. Both candidates, this time around, were awful. I mean, that's the best we've got in a country of 300M+ ppl?
I wish Trump the best of luck, because, whether I like it or not, he is the next president.

Sorry you got punk'd with "both sides equally bad". As mentioned these people who parroted that are hardly bright, but OTOH they've got you to feel good about themselves.

It's a national disaster for the idiots on the left who assumed they had the culture war locked up. How humiliating for them

^ Anyone still arguing this isn't a victory for white supremacy?

 

[Jhhnn]

The one where we don't assume that someone elected Senator with over 97% of the vote represents "the racist fringe". Those of us living here call it reality, but hey, that's just a big word that means racism, right?

Don't worry, it won't infringe on your safe space.

You dodged the question, which was about who would be emboldened by Sessions as AG.

His legacy as Alabama AG is troubling, to say the least-

Alabama’s public schools, still underfunded, still separate and unequal, ranked near the bottom nationally, stand as one of Jeff Sessions’ most enduring legacies. It’s a troubling mark on the record of the man who is to be nominated to oversee the Department of Justice, the federal agency responsible for upholding America’s civil rights laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/opinion/jeff-sessions-other-civil-rights-problem.html

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm an independent. Not a lefty or righty. As far as I'm concerned, the hilarious part is the way both sides are perpetually slinging mud at each other.
What we need is government that works for the people. I am tired of the corruption on both sides. I am tired of the middle class getting the shaft and the 1% getting a pass.
Self centered, we are the only ones who are right politics is what is truly stupid. Both candidates, this time around, were awful. I mean, that's the best we've got in a country of 300M+ ppl?
I wish Trump the best of luck, because, whether I like it or not, he is the next president.

Of the two primary candidates, the only two who had a chance to win, which would have been the better for 'the people' as you understand the term?

 

[Sunburn74]

You dodged the question, which was about who would be emboldened by Sessions as AG.

His legacy as Alabama AG is troubling, to say the least-



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/opinion/jeff-sessions-other-civil-rights-problem.html

Wow. That report is truly scathing. Essentially alabama passes a state amendment to purposely say people don't have a right to an education as a means of getting around laws to desegregate; if there is no right, then everything can be privately funded. The school system collapses as a consequence with rich (white) places having schools and basically no one else having schools (poor people of all colors). Alabama from there is the worst educated state in the nation. Some people file suit that this is unconstitutional and win in court at which point Sessions as AG fights to overturn the ruling!

"Mr. Sessions was lauded by fellow Republicans for his efforts. They saw funding inequities as part of the natural order of things, not as a problem to be remedied. And any remedy would entail either the redistribution of funds from wealthier to poorer districts or an increase in taxes. Both positions ran against the small-government, privatization dogma that Mr. Sessions promoted."

They lose the case in the Alabama supreme court, but the remedy of the court was very weak and so nothing really changes. By then Sessions is now a senator.

Wow. You really have to wonder about what sort of man fights against education for poor children and desegregation...

 

[vi edit]

Bannon. Sessions. Flynn. And if the Jerry Falwell in Department of Education thing...is a thing. I want off this ride.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bannon. Sessions. Flynn. And if the Jerry Falwell in Department of Education thing...is a thing. I want off this ride.

There isn't a swine on earth that would allow you to escape to greener pastures. You will have to slip out under the cover of madness. Oink all the way to the border.

 

[trenchfoot]

Of the two primary candidates, the only two who had a chance to win, which would have been the better for 'the people' as you understand the term?

If I may, my $.01 worth:

Democrat Candidate: "The people" = ALL of the people.

Republican Candidate: "The people" = Some of the people.

To edify: Democrats are more inclusive, Republicans are more exclusive.

 

[vi edit]

I ran for the border once. Wanted a taco salad. Settled for the beefy 5 layer burrito.

 

[agent00f]

Wow. You really have to wonder about what sort of man fights against education for poor children and desegregation...

Apparently the kind Trump/Bannon appoints to be AG, so he can afflict the same punishment on the blue areas.

Maybe the liberals can appease these folks some more because they might not be aware liberals are pushovers.

 

[Ajay]

Of the two primary candidates, the only two who had a chance to win, which would have been the better for 'the people' as you understand the term?

I didn't believe either one. I almost went for Hillary, better policies in general. Couldn't pull the trigger on election day. Both campaigns were willing to burn down the country in order to win (in different ways) - just look at the advertising. So I just said no. Hyper partisanship is what is taking the 'great' out of America, IMHO. That said, not to crazy about the republicans looking like they want to just bring their agenda forward without considering the real needs of all people. The R's are far too beholding to big business and crazy economic theories. Nor am I thrilled with the D's navel gazing about identity politics like that's all that matters sometimes. The NYT has had some good articles on why the D's need to change business as usual (haven't seen anything like that from the Right yet - they don't win for the reasons they think they did).

 

[agent00f]

I didn't believe either one. I almost went for Hillary, better policies in general. Couldn't pull the trigger on election day. Both campaigns were willing to burn down the country in order to win (in different ways) - just look at the advertising. So I just said no. Hyper partisanship is what is taking the 'great' out of America, IMHO. That said, not to crazy about the republicans looking like they want to just bring their agenda forward without considering the real needs of all people. The R's are far too beholding to big business and crazy economic theories. Nor am I thrilled with the D's navel gazing about identity politics like that's all that matters sometimes. The NYT has had some good articles on why the D's need to change business as usual (haven't seen anything like that from the Right yet - they don't win for the reasons they think they did).

How does it feel to be so easily tricked by the people you were just calling stupid?

 

[Ajay]

How does it feel to be so easily tricked by the people you were just calling stupid?

Didn't call anyone stupid. Just pointing out a flaw in your logic. Being independent isn't easy. I can't just pick my choice and and laugh at those who were made the *wrong* choice.
I don't harbor any anger towards any voter. I feel that the D's tried to 'rig' the system for Clinton and paid the price. I feel the R's failed to rig their system, and still paid the price.
I just hope we can't get away from the name calling and fringe issues and get this country back on the road. Trump's presidency could be like Warren G Harding's - too early to tell. Pence said no lobbyist - and look what we've got so far.

The real issue to me is that as a country we need address the common issues that face rural, suburban and urban voters first - then work out the differences.
I realize that there are wackos, probably more on the right (esp. really alt-right) than the left. Free speech can suck - but would we have it any other way?

 

[agent00f]

Didn't call anyone stupid. Just pointing out a flaw in your logic. Being independent isn't easy. I can't just pick my choice and and laugh at those who were made the *wrong* choice.
I don't harbor any anger towards any voter. I feel that the D's tried to 'rig' the system for Clinton and paid the price. I feel the R's failed to rig their system, and still paid the price.
I just hope we can't get away from the name calling and fringe issues and get this country back on the road. Trump's presidency could be like Warren G Harding's - too early to tell. Pence said no lobbyist - and look what we've got so far.

The real issue to me is that as a country we need address the common issues that face rural, suburban and urban voters first - then work out the differences.
I realize that there are wackos, probably more on the right (esp. really alt-right) than the left. Free speech can suck - but would we have it any other way?

Some day you might find the intelligence to figure out that those parroting the "both sides equally bad" talking point you found so convincing only vote for one party.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Bannon. Sessions. Flynn. And if the Jerry Falwell in Department of Education thing...is a thing. I want off this ride.

Please, can you take Cher, Lena and Miley with you when you go?

 

[lopri]

I saw a report that donations are now down 90%, did you hear that? If true, what could have caused a drop like that?

You are probably right in that those who donated to the Clinton Foundation with impure motives may now think twice before donating. Still, the facts remain that the foundation is a charity organization that must follow strict regulations, and that the foundation has done many good things.

Now, what could have caused a bump like the following?

WASHINGTON - About 100 foreign diplomats, from Brazil to Turkey, gathered at the Trump International Hotel this week to sip Trump-branded champagne, dine on sliders and hear a sales pitch about the U.S. president-elect's newest hotel.


The event for the diplomatic community, held one week after the election, was in the Lincoln Library, a junior ballroom with 16-foot ceilings and velvet drapes that is also available for rent.

Some attendees won raffle prizes - among them overnight stays at other Trump properties around the world - allowing them to become better acquainted with the business holdings of the new commander in chief.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...p-hotel-as-easy-gesture-to-new-president.html

 

[Ajay]

Some day you might find the intelligence to figure out that those parroting the "both sides equally bad" talking point you found so convincing only vote for one party.

This is the first time I've not voted for the top of the ticket. I didn't say both side were equally bad. I like the way the D's are going - I thought the excessive fixation of identity politics was missing the point. I said both candidates were both below my standards for president - for the first time in 30 years (it's been real close b/4 - but I had less info than I can access today). With Clinton, you can't raise a $1B with allot of Billionaire's help and then vote against them. Didn't want a reality TV star for president either. The amazing thing about talking to partisan, is that it becomes weird. You think I'm parroting some view - like I wasn't able to come to my viewpoint on my own - or that I haven't been moving this way for the past 12 years. That's just a pretty arrogant position that you hold. You don't know me, and yet you accuse me - this has happened to me from those on the left and the right - it's sad. This isn't the politics of substance - this sort of thing is the politics of some self possessed mob. Will those of your ilk ever learn?

Anyway, this is why I usually stay away from P&N on ATF - someone will claim I'm am a moron based on a few posts. Way to go man

 

[lopri]

Please, can you take Cher, Lena and Miley with you when you go?

Way better company than Gingrich, Christie, Limbaugh, and [Alex] Jones you wish to take.

 

[agent00f]

This is the first time I've not voted for the top of the ticket. I didn't say both side were equally bad. I like the way the D's are going - I thought the excessive fixation of identity politics was missing the point. I said both candidates were both below my standards for president - for the first time in 30 years (it's been real close b/4 - but I had less info than I can access today). With Clinton, you can't raise a $1B with allot of Billionaire's help and then vote against them. Didn't want a reality TV star for president either. The amazing thing about talking to partisan, is that it becomes weird. You think I'm parroting some view - like I wasn't able to come to my viewpoint on my own - or that I haven't been moving this way for the past 12 years. That's just a pretty arrogant position that you hold. You don't know me, and yet you accuse me - this has happened to me from those on the left and the right - it's sad. This isn't the politics of substance - this sort of thing is the politics of some self possessed mob. Will those of your ilk ever learn?

Anyway, this is why I usually stay away from P&N on ATF - someone will claim I'm am a moron based on a few posts. Way to go man

I'm just pointing out a very simple fact: the "both sides bad" argument is gop PR copy, because they know gullible/naive people who believe them will stay home while their followers always vote. Not sure why you profess to much of any intellect when you clearly can't grasp simple things.