Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[Victorian Gray]

I doubt that it's your hands. In fact, I think it's that something is too small. But that would be speculating, just like so many lefties in here are doing. Speculation is so easy.

Yep, you seem to be having great fun speculating about me. What was that about staying classy?

 

[Ajay]

This must have already been said, but simple logic: Trump Presidency isn't already a failure because he isn't president yet.
You know, he could be hit by a bus b/4 inauguration day - not that I'd wish that on anyone.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Yep, you seem to be having great fun speculating about me. What was that about staying classy?

So now you understand about speculating? Congrats and welcome.

Stay classy.

 

[agent00f]

How about waiting to see what actually happens rather than spreading alarmist bullshit?

Reign it in lest you make yourselves look even more idiotic. You already lost the election. Now you're in the process of losing the argument too. And I am NOT against your side. From personal experience myself and many others than lean left are wondering why you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot on social media.

Put on the brakes. We lost. Suck it up, move on, take the high road, and stop with the demonization crap. Be better than the assholes on the right. Right now you are looking like petulant little children.

Generally speaking we usually consider the people who can't 1. see the situation for what is 2. understand what's coming and 3. blame those who do, to be the stupid ones.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So now you understand about speculating? Congrats and welcome.

Stay classy.

Well, someone has been speculating here and it wasn't me so...

 

[Ajay]

Generally speaking we usually consider the people who can't 1. see the situation for what is 2. understand what's coming and 3. blame those who do, to be the stupid ones.

Generally speaking - who saw that Hillary was a horrible candidate? Predicted Trump would win? Are we all, therefore, the stupid ones?
You know, generally speaking. This stuff is so hilarious.

 

[agent00f]

Generally speaking - who saw that Hillary was a horrible candidate? Predicted Trump would win? Are we all, therefore, the stupid ones?
You know, generally speaking. This stuff is so hilarious.

Many were too naive or optimist to believe white nationalism could win a presidential election in 2016, even the GOP. But I guess the american people sure showed them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Congrats on the left/Democrats making themselves look every bit the morons and malcontents that the right/Republicans did after Obama was elected. FUD, predictions of doom & despair, and alarmism run amuck, as this thread and so many others in here demonstrate.

That's why I can't identify with either of your sides. You're both just chock full of useless idiots trying to shout louder than the other guy.

Righties got all twisted over Obama because they feared a lot of things that didn't happen, things that no rational person would have feared anyway. Nuttiness ran wild. We entered the post-truth era of journalism where supposition & innuendo are treated as fact, where the more outrageous the lie the more clicks it gets & the more ad revenue is received. Breitbart led the charge.

Trump's election proves that the truth no longer matters in politics. Hell, the invasion of Iraq proved that nearly 15 years ago. Birtherism, Benghazi & Jade Helm drove it home repeatedly, not to mention all the bullshit generated over Hillary's email & the easy acceptance of foreign intervention in the election. The disconnect from reality & rationality is profound.

Now the head of Breitbart is senior adviser to the President. To not see that as ominous would be foolish. Not just for Liberals but for everybody. Our country cannot serve a constructive international leadership role if we don't value the truth or some semblance of it.

The nomination of Sessions as AG is perhaps even worse because of his history wrt civil rights.

Alabama’s public schools, still underfunded, still separate and unequal, ranked near the bottom nationally, stand as one of Jeff Sessions’ most enduring legacies. It’s a troubling mark on the record of the man who is to be nominated to oversee the Department of Justice, the federal agency responsible for upholding America’s civil rights laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/opinion/jeff-sessions-other-civil-rights-problem.html

Do we want to be more like Alabama, or less? Yeh, sure, they've gotten away with a lot of bullshit since the 60's & long before but the rest of the country can't really do that even if we wanted to. It'll tear us apart. We can't function wearing that headset.

Flynn as National Security adviser is also problematical given that he's basically a loose cannon with an astoundingly strange view of the world.

Jerry Falwell Jr has volunteered to be Sec of Education, presumably so that the department can be neutered & dismembered. Expect a young Earth Jesus to be in the classroom in public schools in select regions of America. Expect more abstinence only sex-ed. Expect ignorance more widespread than it already is.

Can you see any of that as progress?

 

[Muse]

Yeah. I won't consider it official until he takes the oath. Then I fully expect a shit show of proportions never seen in the office.

Yes, and to say it will be reprehensible would be to egregiously understate the disgrace upon the nation that has been perpetrated, and this is even before Trump raises his right hand and spews another swear. We have been dipped in concentrated acid, folks, prepare for pain if you are not in an aggressive defensive mode of all decency.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Generally speaking - who saw that Hillary was a horrible candidate? Predicted Trump would win? Are we all, therefore, the stupid ones?
You know, generally speaking. This stuff is so hilarious.

It's not only hilarious, it's delicious to see these lefty Democrats slither and slime while they keep up spreading the lies. They still can't comprehend why Trump won and their own massive contribution to it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Generally speaking - who saw that Hillary was a horrible candidate? Predicted Trump would win? Are we all, therefore, the stupid ones?
You know, generally speaking. This stuff is so hilarious.

So, Dems over estimated he intelligence of the electorate? Underestimated how well fear & hatred could be played? That's obviously true. Explain what good will occur from Trump's exploitation of that. Or just burn it down, all of it.

 

[bshole]

Many were too naive or optimist to believe white nationalism could win a presidential election in 2016, even the GOP. But I guess the american people sure showed them.

Way too binary.....

 

[Sunburn74]

It's not only hilarious, it's delicious to see these lefty Democrats slither and slime while they keep up spreading the lies. They still can't comprehend why Trump won and their own massive contribution to it.

The election is over. Move on. Lets focus on the future.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The election is over. Move on. Lets focus on the future.

I'm already focused on 2018.

 

[agent00f]

Way too binary.....

Nevermind the democrats, how many republicans thought he would win without pivoting away from the white identity message?

 

[bshole]

Nevermind the democrats, how many republicans thought he would win without pivoting away from the white identity message?

Did you miss the entire throwing Hillary under the bus with faux scandals bit? That hadn't a damn thing to do with a white identity message and it was real fucking effective.

 

[agent00f]

Did you miss the entire throwing Hillary under the bus with faux scandals bit? That hadn't a damn thing to do with a white identity message and it was real fucking effective.

They've done that since forever and it didn't win them elections. Hmm.. I do wonder what the difference was this time with the white identity candidate.

 

[werepossum]

Congrats on the left/Democrats making themselves look every bit the morons and malcontents that the right/Republicans did after Obama was elected. FUD, predictions of doom & despair, and alarmism run amuck, as this thread and so many others in here demonstrate.

That's why I can't identify with either of your sides. You're both just chock full of useless idiots trying to shout louder than the other guy.

Well said. Far too many people consider their side not being in power as a catastrophe, so they don't even have to wait for the inauguration to declare it's a disaster.

Of course, I hate both those people, so I had a whole year to accept that I was screwed either way. And you know what? I seriously doubt it would have a great effect on my life either way. Hillary would have done some things I love and some things I hate. Trump will do some things I will love and some things I will hate. Obama did some things I loved and some things I hated. That's life, and life, she goes on regardless of who wins.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well said. Far too many people consider their side not being in power as a catastrophe, so they don't even have to wait for the inauguration to declare it's a disaster.

Of course, I hate both those people, so I had a whole year to accept that I was screwed either way. And you know what? I seriously doubt it would have a great effect on my life either way. Hillary would have done some things I love and some things I hate. Trump will do some things I will love and some things I will hate. Obama did some things I loved and some things I hated. That's life, and life, she goes on regardless of who wins.

So it's all about you feeling snug in a FUGM attitude?

Good luck with that because Trump & his coterie are on the verge of redefining incompetence in govt.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm already focused on 2018.

Which is why you keep dragging Hillary into it, obviously.

 

[werepossum]

So it's all about you feeling snug in a FUGM attitude?

Good luck with that because Trump & his coterie are on the verge of redefining incompetence in govt.

Gotta give you credit. You only have one song, but you sing it all day long, every day, at the top of your lungs. That's . . . something, I suppose.

 

[Zaap]

Well said. Far too many people consider their side not being in power as a catastrophe, so they don't even have to wait for the inauguration to declare it's a disaster.

Of course, I hate both those people, so I had a whole year to accept that I was screwed either way. And you know what? I seriously doubt it would have a great effect on my life either way. Hillary would have done some things I love and some things I hate. Trump will do some things I will love and some things I will hate. Obama did some things I loved and some things I hated. That's life, and life, she goes on regardless of who wins.

Just had to note the contrast between your post, and that of the bitter little tool that followed it.

I too feel no effect either way. Both sides ran shit candidates so I knew it would be a shit result. Didn't support or vote for either. I was pretty positive Hillary would win it, I figured Trump was too much a goof candiate to actually win. But damned if he didn't.

Funny thing to me is how the Trump-obsessed are just wallowing in their own unfetterred rage... and boy does obsessive misery love company! Just look how 'the flushing kind' clearly wants you to wallow in his rage with him... like a petulant 3 year old.

Me? I'm too busy enjoying life, family, friends, career I enjoy, sunshine and all that goes with it to wallow in other people's obsessive political obsessions.

I wouldn't feel any differently about a Hillary win... what I expected from the start. WTF would being bitter about it achieve?

She wouldn't in reality have been much if at all better than Trump. She'd have cronied to the same big businesses big doner and special interests. She'd have peppered her speeches with feel good PC fluff catered to the special snowflakes... even as she did diddly for them in any real sense. She would have enjoyed fanning the flames of ID politics, whereas Trump may just effectively tell people too full of themselves to STFU and get over themselves.already....which actually in some richly deserved settings might be refreshing.

Only positive is I think she had the ability to conduct herself with better deplomacy than Trump will probably manage. Other than that... song and dance, smoke and mirrors, puff and fluff from either one, just from seemingly different sides of the political spectrum. (I say seemingly because Hill isn't anywhere near the progessive people pretend she is, and Trump isn't anywhere near as far right as he pretends to be. Though he does scare the lefties who have rightwing boogeymen under their beds holding them back all through life).

If he somehow makes good SCOTUS picks (from a sane pov, not an angry. butthurt progressive pov!) and doesn't have too many "oh shit, did he really just say/do that!?" moments, then who knows? Best I'm hoping for is the ability to eventually say "well, it COULD have been worse."

I expect to say "eh. Probably would have been equally bad."

 

[werepossum]

Just had to note the contrast between your post, and that of the bitter little tool that followed it.

I too feel no effect either way. Both sides ran shit candidates so I knew it would be a shit result. Didn't support or vote for either. I was pretty positive Hillary would win it, I figured Trump was too much a goof candiate to actually win. But damned if he didn't.

Funny thing to me is how the Trump-obsessed are just wallowing in their own unfetterred rage... and boy does obsessive misery love company! Just look how 'the flushing kind' clearly wants you to wallow in his rage with him... like a petulant 3 year old.

Me? I'm too busy enjoying life, family, friends, career I enjoy, sunshine and all that goes with it to wallow in other people's obsessive political obsessions.

I wouldn't feel any differently about a Hillary win... what I expected from the start. WTF would being bitter about it achieve?

She wouldn't in reality have been much if at all better than Trump. She'd have cronied to the same big businesses big doner and special interests. She'd have peppered her speeches with feel good PC fluff catered to the special snowflakes... even as she did diddly for them in any real sense. She would have enjoyed fanning the flames of ID politics, whereas Trump may just effectively tell people too full of themselves to STFU and get over themselves.already....which actually in some richly deserved settings might be refreshing.

Only positive is I think she had the ability to conduct herself with better deplomacy than Trump will probably manage. Other than that... song and dance, smoke and mirrors, puff and fluff from either one, just from seemingly different sides of the political spectrum. (I say seemingly because Hill isn't anywhere near the progessive people pretend she is, and Trump isn't anywhere near as far right as he pretends to be. Though he does scare the lefties who have rightwing boogeymen under their beds holding them back all through life).

If he somehow makes good SCOTUS picks (from a sane pov, not an angry. butthurt progressive pov!) and doesn't have too many "oh shit, did he really just say/do that!?" moments, then who knows? Best I'm hoping for is the ability to eventually say "well, it COULD have been worse."

I expect to say "eh. Probably would have been equally bad."

Well said, and I agree completely. I remain astonished at the amount of pure rage though, along with the lawbreaking and the assumptions of Armageddon.

 

[SMOGZINN]

She wouldn't in reality have been much if at all better than Trump. She'd have cronied to the same big businesses big doner and special interests. She'd have peppered her speeches with feel good PC fluff catered to the special snowflakes... even as she did diddly for them in any real sense.

The difference is people might not have liked a lot of what Clinton did, but no one would actually be afraid that she was going to make just being who they are illegal.

People are genuinely afraid right now. Afraid that a severely conservative SCOTUS that is like his VP pick, his transition team picks, will not protect them from having their lives ripped apart by anti-LGBTQ legislation. Afraid that his SCOTUS will not stand for them when he decides that speaking out against the President is a treasonous offence. Afraid that their families will be ripped apart by his immigration goons. Afraid that those goons will need no more evidence if they belong here than their skin color.
They are afraid that being who they are will become illegal. And because of his rhetoric those fears are not baseless.

 

[werepossum]

Generally speaking - who saw that Hillary was a horrible candidate? Predicted Trump would win? Are we all, therefore, the stupid ones?
You know, generally speaking. This stuff is so hilarious.

It's important though for Republicans to remember that Trump was also a horrible candidate. In the end, he won not because he was judged the less horrible candidate, but because voters in supposedly safe Democrat states decided that a different kind of horrible might not be as bad as the same old same old kind of horrible.