Are we in seriously deep doo doo?

[Jaskalas]

Shiner your one scarred person as your post revile your fear. What I believe at this time carries more weight than your denial. More and more are moving away from your ideas and towards my beliefs.

So when 2013 comes around, what's the new date that we should all cream our pants over?

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrmQB38aT5U

Good choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7r0piYk19o&feature=related

 

[Nemesis 1]

So when 2013 comes around, what's the new date that we should all cream our pants over?

Whats 2012 got to do with anything. Scripture clearly says the time is cut short. For most its the end . But for a select number its a new beginning. Money power leadership all left behind.

 

[Jaskalas]

Whats 2012 got to do with anything. Scripture clearly says the time is cut short.

Your kin thought these things 200 years ago, and will continue to do so for 200 more. Well hopefully you would have learned something by then....

 

[Nemesis 1]

Your kin thought these things 200 years ago, and will continue to do so for 200 more. Well hopefully you would have learned something by then....

You just cleve to that idea . As the world passes you by.

 

[shiner]

You just cleve to that idea . As the world passes you by.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Your fast at pointing out errors cleave . I am thinking that you actually didn't get it.

As I said the old ways and thoughts are on their way out. No room for followers . Just God loving people living in the light of trueth and harmony with the world we live in .

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyqGfGBs3mc&feature=related

 

[chucky2]

I bet, like most thinking posters, he's not getting how you can so baldy lack the basic foresight to see what it would entail to actually train the unemployed in entirely unrelated fields they have no background or education in, that it would necessarily require a huge tax-funded outlay for all the gov't-sponsored hiring of people to train and manage the unemployed in these menial jobs you suggest

The few we'd have to hire we could hire from the unemployed list, thereby reducing the unemployed number. As for training, what training????? Bending down to pick up garbage? Holding a scraper and scraping paint? Holding a paintbrush and painting? If people cannot master these tasks their first day on the job, the manager can simply have them removed from the unemployment list, as they're too lazy, too stupid, or both.

, that these menial jobs would all have to magically be located within a reasonable distance of all the people who collect unemployment,

They'll be located wherever we need the work done. If that means these people need to live in a tent city, then I guess that's too F'ing bad isn't it? They don't want to do that, they can always go off unemployment. Most jobs though, the unemployed could easily report to their collection point at 6:00 AM local to be bussed to the jobsite - or alternately, arrive there themselves if the location is known ahead of time.

as well as the overwhelming reality that these completely unrealistic menial jobs would inevitably delay the unemployed from getting back into the job market by taking time away from them to actually look for work.

They'd only be working say 30 hours a week. Plenty of time to look for work. For those that have a job interview, they only need to bring a letter from the interviewer for proof of missing the day they needed to report in. Not hard at all, so easy someone living off the system can do it.

And then to top it all off, this training

You keep mentioning this training. What training do you need to do simple manual labor???? If these people are that F'ing dumb, then we need to be rethinking what we should be doing with these people. Forced sterilization may be a good idea to start with if they are so mentally challenged they can't handle a.) bending down b.) grabbing piece of trash c.) standing up d.) putting piece of trash in bag they're holding.

would almost assuredly crowd out a vast majority of the unemployed who would have used said dollars for trade schools or higher education training; unlike the deadend menial jobs education they were just trained for in your completely made-up scenario.

They'd only be doing this 30 hours a week, not 60. They can get their training done on all the rest of their off time. That is, the ones that actually do really go get training, which, from the many people I know collecting unemployment, is a small small %. Then there's your point that no one made of training these people to do menial jobs. No! We're not training them to do menial jobs: We're letting them do menial jobs while they collect public funds. That they learn to bend down and pickup garbage is their problem, not ours.

Oh, not to mention it would discriminate against the significant amount of people that couldn't physically perform said menial jobs.

The old and injured - proof of injury from Dr. prior to starting unemployment job duty required - can go and work in a hospital donating their time. Homeless shelter. Day care. Whatever. Those that are left get a pass, if they're that F'd up then they'd already be on disability anyways.

Seriously, try harder.

You're right, we should be trying harder to actually get something for all our unemployment bucks rather than just p1ss it away on getting nothing in return. At least you finally got something right.

Chuck

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I bet, like most thinking posters, he's not getting how you can so baldy lack the basic foresight to see what it would entail to actually train the unemployed in entirely unrelated fields they have no background or education in, that it would necessarily require a huge tax-funded outlay for all the gov't-sponsored hiring of people to train and manage the unemployed in these menial jobs you suggest, that these menial jobs would all have to magically be located within a reasonable distance of all the people who collect unemployment, as well as the overwhelming reality that these completely unrealistic menial jobs would inevitably delay the unemployed from getting back into the job market by taking time away from them to actually look for work. And then to top it all off, this training would almost assuredly crowd out a vast majority of the unemployed who would have used said dollars for trade schools or higher education training; unlike the deadend menial jobs education they were just trained for in your completely made-up scenario. Oh, not to mention it would discriminate against the significant amount of people that couldn't physically perform said menial jobs.

Seriously, try harder.

there is plenty of administrative roles i'm sure.

regarding training....that's a flimsy excuse. How much training is required to shovel shit? We aren't commissioning a legion of master masons here.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Trash pickup requires both training and oversight (I knew someone who used to do it), is nowhere near bad enough to employ any significant % of the unemployed, and at 20 hrs would still delay/dissuade enough of the unemployed to keep them from both looking for work and from seeking technical or higher education.

more flimsy excuses about why it wouldn't work. People that are chronically unemployed 52+ weeks need to face the music. They are doing something wrong. Maybe some back breaking labor is exactly what they need to re-inspire them.

 

[werepossum]

I seriously would not mind it if we kept paying the unemployed a stipend. My problem is that they then sit there and do nothing.

If we're going to pay them, they need to be getting out, picking up garbage, painting houses, landscaping, mowing lawns, taking care of old folks and disabled, digging ditches, rebuilding roads, etc. etc. etc.

Paying them to sit on their @ss past a certain point is just unacceptable.

Chuck

This, in spades. Many people out of work would be thankful for some meaningful work for their unemployment check. Those who would be resentful are the very ones who need a kick in the ass.

Imagine if nursing homes suddenly had twice as many orderlies to assist with cleaning, feeding, just sitting and talking with the infirm elderly. Imagine if public parks and public streets were clean of trash. Imagine if abandoned houses were cleaned, maybe even fixed up, before auction. Taking money from some folks to support other folks is not a net neutral because there is a significant cost for the government that takes the money and redistributes it; thus it impoverishes society. I'm a big supporter of unemployment insurance, but the funds long since ran dry in most states. Getting some work in return would enrich society.

 

[shiner]

This, in spades. Many people out of work would be thankful for some meaningful work for their unemployment check. Those who would be resentful are the very ones who need a kick in the ass.

Imagine if nursing homes suddenly had twice as many orderlies to assist with cleaning, feeding, just sitting and talking with the infirm elderly. Imagine if public parks and public streets were clean of trash. Imagine if abandoned houses were cleaned, maybe even fixed up, before auction. Taking money from some folks to support other folks is not a net neutral because there is a significant cost for the government that takes the money and redistributes it; thus it impoverishes society. I'm a big supporter of unemployment insurance, but the funds long since ran dry in most states. Getting some work in return would enrich society.

I've been saying it since I was in high school, 20+ years ago, but will say it again. We need to bring back the WPA and the CCC.

 

[*kjm]

Just as none took my last post on New tears(years) seriously. But Oh my how things are changing . Its a change you can count on .

Nemesis could you link that? I would like to read it and your history don't go back that far..... Thanks.

 

[shira]

I love how this is all about Obama trying to steal from the producers and give to the useless.

You guys ARE THE FUCKING problem, one day you'll get it.

No, they won't. They'll never get it. They'll always blame problems on the other side. They can always rationalize how if their own side had been in control, everything would be wonderful.

It's called scapegoating: All our problems are the fault of the other side.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

'Us vs. Them' is the problem...this is something that the moronic 'you guys' crowd will never get.

 

[shira]

Stimulus isn't keeping people employed. So...no, they don't. They want to use already authorized money to pay for people to sit on their asses and do nothing, rather than authorize new money to pay for people to sit on their asses and do nothing.

Stimulus is doing one thing and one thing only: keeping Washington's cronies' pockets full. If stimulus had been designed to work, it would have targeted small businesses with loans and contracts to encourage growth in the sector that employs the largest majority of US workers.

How do you know that the stimulus isn't keeping people employed? Unless you have a sophisticated economic model that tells you what the employment level WOULD have been right now if NO stimulus had occurred, you're just blowing smoke.

My own sophisticated economic model tells me that if there had been no stimulus, there'd be 8 million fewer jobs now than there actually are and we'd be deep into a major depression. So the stimulus has worked beautifully, and an even larger stimulus is needed.

Now, why don't you prove to us why your economic model is correct and mine is incorrect?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Nemesis could you link that? I would like to read it and your history don't go back that far..... Thanks.

Actually My history here is deep. Its just I was banned so many times that its hard to track .

As for the link you asked for . No I will not do this for you.

Heres why . In the video section . We got into a debate . About something I wrote here. I told the guy to do the search he kept coming up empty and started making claims I was lieing . This went on for A while and So finally I got the link . and a Mod closed it out and hid the trueth . Befor people could see the trueth . With the help of another mod it was reopened and the trueth was revealed. My predictions were exactly right on the money concerning Fermi . Sorry charlie but you stole my ideas and printed them as your own.

So after that I ignor such request. If your search skills aren't up to the task its not my problem . Date would be after 12 midnight so Jan. second. To me it was still New tears (years ) eve. Now that should help ya out. Sorry about this , But the last time I was called out on this and complied. Is the last time I comply with such request for the problems it caused.

My real post count here including Bobs and my wifes is close to or over 20,000 post . Many here know those other names used.

 

[Wheezer]

But people still go to concerts and sporting events, every Friday night restaurants are packed. Sales of Xbox 360s are doing well, sales of smokes and beer continues to stay steady and people still give to their churches on a regular basis. So not all is lost.

Is this hitting some harder than others?..sure it is....but then you have that in EVERY economy...some do well...some do not, but the fucking sky is not falling just look at how many come to this forum every day....how many of you are ready to give up your precious broadband in favor of dial-up? How many have give up thier central air?

Christ, the problem is that many of you don't know what "hard times" really are.

 

[shiner]

Actually My history here is deep. Its just I was banned so many times that its hard to track .

As for the link you asked for . No I will not do this for you.

Heres why . In the video section . We got into a debate . About something I wrote here. I told the guy to do the search he kept coming up empty and started making claims I was lieing . This went on for A while and So finally I got the link . and a Mod closed it out and hid the trueth . Befor people could see the trueth . With the help of another mod it was reopened and the trueth was revealed. My predictions were exactly right on the money concerning Fermi . Sorry charlie but you stole my ideas and printed them as your own.

So after that I ignor such request. If your search skills aren't up to the task its not my problem . Date would be after 12 midnight so Jan. second. To me it was still New tears (years ) eve. Now that should help ya out. Sorry about this , But the last time I was called out on this and complied. Is the last time I comply with such request for the problems it caused.

My real post count here including Bobs and my wifes is close to or over 20,000 post . Many here know those other names used.

Bananas in pajamas are coming down the stairs,
Bananas in pajamas are coming down in pairs,
Bananas in pajamas are chasing teddy bears,
'cos on Tuesdays they all try to catch them unawares!

 

[shira]

'Us vs. Them' is the problem...this is something that the moronic 'you guys' crowd will never get.

I don't know if you're being facetious or serious, but you've engaged in this same "it's their fault" rhetoric in this very thread:

Our government failed us by doing little to help small businesses and giving corporations anything but uncertainty in uncertain times.

I don't think they [those who advocate a more liberal immigration policy] hate this country...they just appear to think we have unlimited wealth.

I personally think the current economic crisis is the fault of all of us. We clearly don't want a government that's proactive, so we get exactly the government we deserve. And when that government fails us, we blame them for doing exactly the nothing what we asked them not to do.

Do you think if our government had invested tens of billions to assemble equipment and technology as a precaution to handle a possible major deep-water oil spill, we would have looked at the legislators responsible in a positive light? Or would we have accused them of "big government" thinking and wasting the taxpayer's money?

It takes maturity to accept that some of our biggest problems are our own damn fault.

 

[Nemesis 1]

But people still go to concerts and sporting events, every Friday night restaurants are packed. Sales of Xbox 360s are doing well, sales of smokes and beer continues to stay steady and people still give to their churches on a regular basis. So not all is lost.

Is this hitting some harder than others?..sure it is....but then you have that in EVERY economy...some do well...some do not, but the fucking sky is not falling just look at how many come to this forum every day....how many of you are ready to give up your precious broadband in favor of dial-up? How many have give up thier central air?

Christ, the problem is that many of you don't know what "hard times" really are.

Is it possiable Sir. That people really don't know what living is all about . Life is to easy now for Americans and others . That life and living has lost its meaning . I am not saying this is correct or not . Just an idea that deserves some thought. Spare the rod spoil the child. The government has removed that rod and the X generation is the result. X marks the spot.

 

[shira]

Whats 2012 got to do with anything. Scripture clearly says the time is cut short. For most its the end . But for a select number its a new beginning. Money power leadership all left behind.

I think you missed the point: You "the end is near" folks never "put up or shut up." When the end doesn't occur, you just re-calibrate you calendar and tell us the "end" will happen in just a little more time. Obviously, nothing can ever disprove your beliefs, because when nothing happens, all that means is that the "end" is just a little further out. And then a little further out. And then . .

You never question your assumptions regardless of how many times you're wrong. Because you're never wrong . . . just give it a little more time. Juuuuust a little more time. Right?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Our Constitution guarantees the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and our system says we have to do that for ourselves by earning money from jobs so there it is. The right to work is a right we do not have. The purpose of government should be to insure that all who can work and want to have jobs. When people are hungry and miserable, they will tear everything down. Instead of everybody making it together, we have created a system where everybody is competing for everybody else's lunch. But competition is nothing more or less than hate. We are beginning now to see what that hate does.

Everything for me and nothing for you is great, except that I am you and so are you.

As you sow so shall you reap. We see that the great and holy force of self interest, the God of Capitalism, turns out to be Cannibalism.

Still have your head up your ass I see.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I am not just any doom and gloom sayer . I the real deal , Shake head all you want.
But the end result will be the same as it was in the beginning so shall it be at the end .

Salvation is for those who grab hold of the light and trueth . Those who cling to the ideas of Rome shall parish just as ROME parished.