Are we in seriously deep doo doo?

[AzN]

time to move back to Europe

 

[Acanthus]

A dip in the midst of recovery is a known and expected phenomenon, no?

You'll always have normal fluctuations, as long as the the medium and long term trends are still "up" it's all good.

 

[TmBlackFlag]

Are you not familiar with what "unemployment" is? The "un" part, FYI, indicates absence of "employment."
Do you not understand that unemployment is money that is paid someone to just sit around, while stimulus money is used to hire them to do a job? Moving funds from stimulus to unemployment is going to result with more people sitting around and fewer working.

I think he is simply arguing that unemployment doesn't have to be the way ti is when you're on the government's dime. If you can stay home and collect a government check, the least you can do is some community service and make yourself productive.

 

[chucky2]

Are you not familiar with what "unemployment" is? The "un" part, FYI, indicates absence of "employment."
Do you not understand that unemployment is money that is paid someone to just sit around, while stimulus money is used to hire them to do a job? Moving funds from stimulus to unemployment is going to result with more people sitting around and fewer working.

Do you not understand that I'm saying we should not be paying people to sit around while collecting unemployment? That if they're going to collet a stipend while not directly employed by a real employer for a real job, that while they collect that stipend, they can do some work for it?

And, that the stipend they'd be collecting while doing the work so as to keep collecting said stipend would be far less than actually hiring someone to perform said task?

It's really simple: They get to keep collecting the unemployment stipend in exchange for us getting cheap labor.

When they find a job or want to stop working for so cheap, they simply go off unemployment and unemployment no longer has to pay them.

What about this are you not getting?

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

I think he is simply arguing that unemployment doesn't have to be the way ti is when you're on the government's dime. If you can stay home and collect a government check, the least you can do is some community service and make yourself productive.

See, I thought it was maybe me just being really tired...now from his/her last post, and you understanding what I'm saying, I can see it's not me.

Chuck

 

[JSt0rm]

Im having a pretty good month and next looks good too and last month was ok.

 

[First]

Do you not understand that I'm saying we should not be paying people to sit around while collecting unemployment? That if they're going to collet a stipend while not directly employed by a real employer for a real job, that while they collect that stipend, they can do some work for it?

And, that the stipend they'd be collecting while doing the work so as to keep collecting said stipend would be far less than actually hiring someone to perform said task?

It's really simple: They get to keep collecting the unemployment stipend in exchange for us getting cheap labor.

When they find a job or want to stop working for so cheap, they simply go off unemployment and unemployment no longer has to pay them.

What about this are you not getting?

Chuck

I bet, like most thinking posters, he's not getting how you can so baldy lack the basic foresight to see what it would entail to actually train the unemployed in entirely unrelated fields they have no background or education in, that it would necessarily require a huge tax-funded outlay for all the gov't-sponsored hiring of people to train and manage the unemployed in these menial jobs you suggest, that these menial jobs would all have to magically be located within a reasonable distance of all the people who collect unemployment, as well as the overwhelming reality that these completely unrealistic menial jobs would inevitably delay the unemployed from getting back into the job market by taking time away from them to actually look for work. And then to top it all off, this training would almost assuredly crowd out a vast majority of the unemployed who would have used said dollars for trade schools or higher education training; unlike the deadend menial jobs education they were just trained for in your completely made-up scenario. Oh, not to mention it would discriminate against the significant amount of people that couldn't physically perform said menial jobs.

Seriously, try harder.

 

[TmBlackFlag]

I bet, like most thinking posters, the fact that you seem to lack the basic foresight to see what it would entail to train the unemployed in completely unrelated field they have no background or education in, that it would necessarily require a huge tax-funded outlay, that it would require gov't-sponsored hiring of people to train and manage the unemployed in these menial jobs you suggest, as well as the overwhelming reality that these completely unrealistic menial jobs would inevitably delay the unemployed from getting back into the job market by taking time away from them to look for work. And then to top it all off, this training would almost assuredly crowd out a vast majority of the unemployed who have used said dollars for trade schools or higher education training in non-deadend menial jobs they were just trained for. Oh, not to mention it would discriminate against the significant amount of people that wouldn't perform said menial jobs.

Seriously, try harder.

Here in Los Angeles we have trash all over the place. Slap some orange-vests on the unemployed and have them go out and clean up the city. Doesn't require any training and they can limit their work to 20 hours a week so it doesn't interfere with their job search.

 

[First]

Here in Los Angeles we have trash all over the place. Slap some orange-vests on the unemployed and have them go out and clean up the city. Doesn't require any training and they can limit their work to 20 hours a week so it doesn't interfere with their job search.

Trash pickup requires both training and oversight (I knew someone who used to do it), is nowhere near bad enough to employ any significant % of the unemployed, and at 20 hrs would still delay/dissuade enough of the unemployed to keep them from both looking for work and from seeking technical or higher education.

 

[theeedude]

Do you not understand that I'm saying we should not be paying people to sit around while collecting unemployment? That if they're going to collet a stipend while not directly employed by a real employer for a real job, that while they collect that stipend, they can do some work for it?

And, that the stipend they'd be collecting while doing the work so as to keep collecting said stipend would be far less than actually hiring someone to perform said task?

It's really simple: They get to keep collecting the unemployment stipend in exchange for us getting cheap labor.

When they find a job or want to stop working for so cheap, they simply go off unemployment and unemployment no longer has to pay them.

What about this are you not getting?

Chuck

So you want to change unemployment insurance into a jobs program, instead of just using the stimulus jobs programs we already have to have people avoid unemployment in the first place?

 

[JSt0rm]

So you want to change unemployment insurance into a jobs program, instead of just using the stimulus jobs programs we already have to have people avoid unemployment in the first place?

chucky secretly wants EVERYONE to work for the government. The conservatives want the government to have a massive labor force. It truly is the end of times :twisted:
nemisis1 where are you?

 

[TmBlackFlag]

Trash pickup requires both training and oversight (I knew someone who used to do it), is nowhere near bad enough to employ any significant % of the unemployed, and at 20 hrs would still delay/dissuade enough of the unemployed to keep them from both looking for work and from seeking technical or higher education.

There is more than enough trash across Southern California to give the unemployed something to do. Plenty of beaches, poor parts of the city etc. with trash in abundance. I do beach cleanups all the time and training is a 1-page flier to avoid things any logical person would, e.g., avoid syringes, be careful with glass.

20 hours a week is not enough to dissuade someone from finding work. I worked 30+ hours a week while going to college full time and I did just fine. Cleaning up the city isn't exactly high-stress work that you take home with you anyways.

You're right about oversight and I don't have all the answers, but it seems those collecting free money could do SOMETHING to give back to the community, even if if only for a portion of the 40 hours/week they'd normally work.

 

[IGBT]

time to move back to Europe

get out before the small pox shows up.

 

[StageLeft]

If you divide stimulus $ spent by the number of jobs attributed to it the ROI is terrible; would have been better to mail tax payers checks.

 

[BoberFett]

How do states afford Adopt-A-Highway programs? The cost of training all of those people must be insane.

Is everyone in California a fucking retard who can't figure out how to pick up garbage?

 

[shiner]

How do states afford Adopt-A-Highway programs? The cost of training all of those people must be insane.

Is everyone in California a fucking retard who can't figure out how to pick up garbage?

Pretty much....

 

[Nemesis 1]

chucky secretly wants EVERYONE to work for the government. The conservatives want the government to have a massive labor force. It truly is the end of times :twisted:
nemisis1 where are you?

Right here. AS your aware from your own mouth it came. I don't think it matters anymore.

If what I believe about the Gulf crisis is true. Whats the differance what anyone or government does.

Of course none take me seriously . Just as none took my last post on New tears(years) seriously. But Oh my how things are changing . Its a change you can count on .

When aug comes and goes and oil still flows many will begin to see our end. FACT!

 

[shiner]

Right here. AS your aware from your own mouth it came. I don't think it matters anymore.

If what I believe about the Gulf crisis is true. Whats the differance what anyone or government does.

Of course none take me seriously . Just as none took my last post on New tears(years) seriously. But Oh my how things are changing . Its a change you can count on .

When aug comes and goes and oil still flows many will begin to see our end. FACT!

Good to see you're still blathering on about the prophecy you received via the Michelin Man or the ghost of Buddy Ebsen or whoever the hell it was....

 

[Nemesis 1]

Shiner your one scarred person as your post revile your fear. What I believe at this time carries more weight than your denial. More and more are moving away from your ideas and towards my beliefs.

 

[shiner]

Shiner your one scarred person as your post revile your fear. What I believe at this time carries more weight than your denial. More and more are moving away from your ideas and towards my beliefs.

Oh, Tom the Toad
Oh,Tom the Toad,
Why did you jump into the road?
You used to be so big and fat
But now you are so thin and flat
Oh Tom the Toad
Oh,Tom the Toad,
Why did you jump into the road?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Good to see you're still blathering on about the prophecy you received via the Michelin Man or the ghost of Buddy Ebsen or whoever the hell it was....

I prefer the fingernails of Lindsay Lohan

Kinda like this thread: Moving up fast on the fav list for a Darwin Genius Award




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[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUgLoP-Uxc

 

[shiner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUgLoP-Uxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nll8-kSlq6c

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOmMZBZGBps

 

[bamacre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrmQB38aT5U