Are Richland desktops pre-ready?

[R0H1T]

He's not saying that iGPU is insignificant. He's saying that the number of people who aren't satisfied with an HD4000 but don't need what currently can only be obtained via discrete graphics is very small. That may change with more and more high-res portable devices, but this is how it is right now.

But the GPU needs are ever increasing, regardless of CPU, mainly because of media consumption & the various apps that are starting to support OpenCL or other forms of hardware acceleration. So the premise that today's GPU is good enough doesn't seem to be a valid one even for 90% of the population because HD(videos & screen) is taking off & CPU isn't the real bottleneck over there, thus advantage AMD.

 

[CHADBOGA]

But the GPU needs are ever increasing, regardless of CPU, mainly because of media consumption & the various apps that are starting to support OpenCL or other forms of hardware acceleration. So the premise that today's GPU is good enough doesn't seem to be a valid one even for 90% of the population because HD(videos & screen) is taking off & CPU isn't the real bottleneck over there, thus advantage AMD.

Media consumption is not that GPU demanding, thus there is no meaningful AMD advantage.

 

[frozentundra123456]

But the GPU needs are ever increasing, regardless of CPU, mainly because of media consumption & the various apps that are starting to support OpenCL or other forms of hardware acceleration. So the premise that today's GPU is good enough doesn't seem to be a valid one even for 90% of the population because HD(videos & screen) is taking off & CPU isn't the real bottleneck over there, thus advantage AMD.

As I have said before, apparently the marketplace disagrees with this assertation, since intel chips with an igp are by far the dominant seller.

 

[Piroko]

Media consumption is not that GPU demanding, thus there is no meaningful AMD advantage.

Depends on the adoption rate of 48/60 Hz playback, 4k resolution and h.265. Each on its own can add quite a bit to that load.

 

[galego]

I don't think you are getting this.

Trinity does not have any 4000 series apus.

Nobody said the contrary.

4000 series launches with richland and is weaker than any trinity apu.

Because

4000 series < 5000 series < 6000 series

Passmark (highly multithreaded benchmark that is pretty unreliable but its hard to find anyone reviewing such low end cpus and so I will use it). In this case its okay to use because the cpus have a low core count (and so the loading of all cores is more practical than if there were 6+ cores--few real world applications do that).

pentium g2020 ($65)-2870
a4-5300 ($55-50)-2055
celeron g550 ($50)-2346

Cpu wise they aren't really better. But they have a much better igp.

The CPU difference with the celeron is a 14%, which is irrelevant for the kind of ordinary tasks those chips will be doing. The big difference is on the integrated graphics

a4-5300: 460
celeron g550: 214.

 

[Enigmoid]

Nobody said the contrary.



Because

4000 series < 5000 series < 6000 series



The CPU difference with the celeron is a 14%, which is irrelevant for the kind of ordinary tasks those chips will be doing. The big difference is on the integrated graphics

a4-5300: 460
celeron g550: 214.

My point is not that. My point is why are they releasing the 4000 series which is weaker than ANY previous trinity chip.

Sure the igp is better but pretty much nothing is playable on that igp anyway.

 

[SiliconWars]

My point is not that. My point is why are they releasing the 4000 series which is weaker than ANY previous trinity chip.

Sure the igp is better but pretty much nothing is playable on that igp anyway.

It has some 25% better power consumption in both cpu and graphics, for around the same performance as the A4-5300.

 

[galego]

AMD also plans business class Richland models A4-6300B, A6-6400B, A8-6500B, and A10-6800B

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013051901_AMD_A8-6500B_APU_sighted_in_MSI_CPU_support_list.html

 

[AtenRa]

Nvidia winner in Q1, AMD flat, Intel down

AMD’s quarter-to-quarter total shipments of desktop heterogeneous GPU/CPUs, i.e., APUs jumped 30% from Q4 and declined 7.3% in notebooks.

 

[R0H1T]

AMD’s quarter-to-quarter total shipments of desktop heterogeneous GPU/CPUs, i.e., APUs jumped 30% from Q4 and declined 7.3% in notebooks.

:hmm:

By the looks of it APU's gained market share in the desktop segment, not surprising anymore nor should be this new meme HSA/IGP FTW, anyways good news for the future of computing but bad news overall for AMD as their FX line is being cannibalized by their low(er) end APU's !

 

[mrmt]

By the looks of it APU's gained market share in the desktop segment, not surprising anymore nor should be this new meme HSA/IGP FTW, anyways good news for the future of computing but bad news overall for AMD as their FX line is being cannibalized by their low(er) end APU's !

That's the result of the Athlon/Phenom phase out *and* the fire sale of millions of Llano for peanuts, not AMD gaining share.

 

[galego]

By the looks of it APU's gained market share in the desktop segment, not surprising anymore nor should be this new meme HSA/IGP FTW, anyways good news for the future of computing but bad news overall for AMD as their FX line is being cannibalized by their low(er) end APU's !

Is not that just the AMD plan? I mean moving from traditional CPU+GPU architecture to heterogeneous computing architecture?

 

[R0H1T]

That's the result of the Athlon/Phenom phase out *and* the fire sale of millions of Llano for peanuts, not AMD gaining share.

I never said AMD gained market share, the APU's from their own lineup ate up their FX line of processors which is good & also a bad thing as it tells us that there is a big enough market for Kaveri to expand in !

 

[R0H1T]

Is not that just the AMD plan? I mean moving from traditional CPU+GPU architecture to heterogeneous computing architecture?

Yes perhaps but I would imagine that FX brings them more profit than an APU so I dunno if its such a good thing for AMD in the long run !

 

[Phynaz]

By the looks of it APU's gained market share in the desktop segment, not surprising anymore nor should be this new meme HSA/IGP FTW, anyways good news for the future of computing but bad news overall for AMD as their FX line is being cannibalized by their low(er) end APU's !

If APU sales are increasing by 30%, while graphics market share is flat, then their discrete GPU sales must be plummeting.

Something has to offset that 30% gain.

 

[R0H1T]

If APU sales are increasing by 30%, while graphics market share is flat, then their discrete GPU sales must be plummeting.

Something has to offset that 30% gain.

I think that APU stat was in correlation to the CPU market, if not then it wouldn't make any sense cause the market is being flooded with IGP based parts, for both desktops & notebooks, including Intel chips so I'm not sure that particular stat is correct unless of course one is just counting dGPU numbers !

edit : I would assume that the consumer grade dGPU sales are indeed lowly, as compared to last year, & that should also include Nvidia in terms of volumes & overall sales !

 

[AtenRa]

If APU sales are increasing by 30%, while graphics market share is flat, then their discrete GPU sales must be plummeting.

Something has to offset that 30% gain.

APUs eat sub $80-100 dGPUs both in Desktops and Laptops.

also,

Ninety nine percent of Intel’s non-server processors have graphics, and over 67% of AMD’s non-server processors contain integrated graphics; AMD still ships IGPs.

Hell, socket 2011 has 1% of Intel sales just because they dont bring Ivy and Haswell CPUs the same time as with Socket 1155-1150. That's pathetic.

 

[mrmt]

I never said AMD gained market share, the APU's from their own lineup ate up their FX line of processors which is good & also a bad thing as it tells us that there is a big enough market for Kaveri to expand in !

AMD big core share has been consistently shrinking in the last two years, either by Intel pressure by Brazos eating in big core share in desktop computers, so I don't think there will be too much space for Kaveri.

We'll have a clear idea on what's left for Kaveri once we can gauge the full impact of Haswell launch in AMD balance sheet. In the last two years, Intel launches wreaked havoc in AMD sales results whenever they launched a new line, and this time with Haswell there is everything pointing out for another heavy hit to AMD.

 

[mrmt]

If APU sales are increasing by 30%, while graphics market share is flat, then their discrete GPU sales must be plummeting.

Something has to offset that 30% gain.

Old GPU-less parts that needed a NB for graphics.

 

[Phynaz]

I think that APU stat was in correlation to the CPU market, if not then it wouldn't make any sense cause the market is being flooded with IGP based parts, for both desktops & notebooks, including Intel chips so I'm not sure that particular stat is correct unless of course one is just counting dGPU numbers !

edit : I would assume that the consumer grade dGPU sales are indeed lowly, as compared to last year, & that should also include Nvidia in terms of volumes & overall sales !

Article is specifically about graphics unit share.

I wonder how they account for when discrete cards added to an IGP system.

 

[SiliconWars]

Desktop APU sales are up a lot, discrete desktop GPU sales are up a little bit but AMD's notebook market share is going to hell in a handbasket, and taking discrete notebook GPU sales with it.

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6979/2013-amd-elite-performance-apu-platform-mobile-richland

Why i have the feeling that those are two different dies ???
Every Quad comes with 4MB L2 Cache (2MB per Module) and up to 384 Radeon Cores ,but Dual cores only comes with 1MB L2 cache (1MB per module ??) and up to 192 Radeon Cores. (Half the CPU cores/Modules, Half the Cach per Module, Half the iGPU cores)

Also, A10-5745M Quad core with 384 Radeon Cores at 25W rocks. I dont really know how Kabini 25W can compete against that. Even A8-5545M must be way better and only at 19W. (yes i know Richland still has a I/O chipset)

 

[frozentundra123456]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6979/2013-amd-elite-performance-apu-platform-mobile-richland

Why i have the feeling that those are two different dies ???
Every Quad comes with 4MB L2 Cache (2MB per Module) and up to 384 Radeon Cores ,but Dual cores only comes with 1MB L2 cache (1MB per module ??) and up to 192 Radeon Cores. (Half the CPU cores/Modules, Half the Cach per Module, Half the iGPU cores)

Also, A10-5745M Quad core with 384 Radeon Cores at 25W rocks. I dont really know how Kabini 25W can compete against that. Even A8-5545M must be way better and only at 19W. (yes i know Richland still has a I/O chipset)

It is a very confusing and seemingly overlapping set of products. Shouldn't Richland already be in retail by now with some tests by review sites with actual production hardware?

 

[galego]

Richland already on newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&amp;name=Richland

Probably officially released tomorrow.

 

[NTMBK]

Richland already on newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&amp;name=Richland

Probably officially released tomorrow.

Does this mean it's now post-ready?