Are Richland desktops pre-ready?

[SiliconWars]

40% seems like an extreme outlier to me - I'd expect 20% higher fps over Trinity to be a good result in most cases.

 

[galego]

40% seems like an extreme outlier to me - I'd expect 20% higher fps over Trinity to be a good result in most cases.

23% and 31% increase in some scores have been measured

http://wccftech.com/amd-a10-6700-gp...re-i53570k-20-a105800k-3dmark-11-fire-strike/

 

[SiliconWars]

In 3dmark yes but I'm thinking about games. 20% higher in gaming will be a good result from a minor revision of Trinity and should hopefully be enough until Kaveri arrives.

 

[galego]

20% higher in gaming will be a good result from a minor revision of Trinity and should hopefully be enough until Kaveri arrives.

Agree.

 

[Enigmoid]

More benchmarks of the new A4-4000 APU

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/feature/20130513_599039.html

Well nice drop in power consumption. Very impressive job there AMD.

?? Why are clock speeds lower? Is this a misprint? (Its running 200-400 mhz slower). 1333 mhz support vs 1600 for its predecessor?

Both tested at 1333 mhz ram.

But absolutely no performance increase. Its slower than the a4-5300. GPU performance is comparable but generally a few percent less.

Take with a large grain of salt.

 

[TheReaWarmonger]

Prices of Richland leaked a pair of hours ago

http://wccftech.com/amd-richland-apu-prices-leaked-scheduled-launch-4th-june/

Official launch: 4th June.

APUs would come with native support for DDR3-2133 MHz memory and would aim to deliver 20 – 40% average GPU performance increase over Trinity.

Given the current price trend, I am expecting the Kaveri A10 to run in the upwards of $150-160. Which still won't be bad if it comes with 8 GCN compute units, and four steamroller cores.

 

[SiliconWars]

nevermind.

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.chiploco.com/amd-richland-apu-price-release-date-24236/

"AMD will be releasing these new APUs on June 4, 2013"

 

[mrmt]

Given the current price trend, I am expecting the Kaveri A10 to run in the upwards of $150-160. Which still won't be bad if it comes with 8 GCN compute units, and four steamroller cores.

And who's going to pay that for an AMD APU?

 

[SiliconWars]

And who's going to pay that for an AMD APU?

Do you know what it's performance level is?

 

[Abwx]

And who's going to pay that for an AMD APU?

A lot of people who want better GPU than H2D4000/4600/5XXX
that do interpolation to artificialy raise the frames/sec.

 

[galego]

Both tested at 1333 mhz ram.

But absolutely no performance increase. Its slower than the a4-5300. GPU performance is comparable but generally a few percent less.

4000 series < 5000 series < 6000 series.

http://www.chiploco.com/amd-richland-apu-price-release-date-24236/

"AMD will be releasing these new APUs on June 4, 2013"

Good, but the same table and releasing date was given some posts ago. The other source also includes a table with some benchmarks scores.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Do you know what it's performance level is?

Equal to or less than a HD7750, the lowest end card of AMDs current generation that will be what 2 or 3 years old when Kaveri comes out?

Still more than good enough for everyday use but very marginal for gaming, and easily surpassed by a mid level card.

There will be a niche market for it in AIO, HTPC, etc. but on the desktop, it will still be an "in betweener" and I dont see it as a compelling buy if it is in the 150.00+ range.

 

[Olikan]

Well nice drop in power consumption. Very impressive job there AMD.

yeah... 24 less watts with the same performance in 3dmark 11... very impressive

richland turbo seems to work very well, when both cpu/gpu are stressed... because, at least in pure cpu benchmarks, the perf/watt seems to be the same

 

[CHADBOGA]

A lot of people who want better GPU than H2D4000/4600/5XXX
that do interpolation to artificialy raise the frames/sec.

So they want more gpu performance than H2D4000/4600/5XXX, but not so much as to buy a discrete card and they don't really care about CPU performance either.

That must be a very small niche.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So they want more gpu performance than H2D4000/4600/5XXX, but not so much as to buy a discrete card and they don't really care about CPU performance either.

That must be a very small niche.

Yep, there is a reason for AMDs collapsing CPU sales. Whats the marketshare now? 14%? And thats with a negative trend.

 

[nenforcer]

Yep, there is a reason for AMDs collapsing CPU sales. Whats the marketshare now? 14%? And thats with a negative trend.

I'm planning on buying a Kaveri to replace my 3+ year old Intel Atom 330 HTPC. With the hUMA architecture and similarity to the PS4 / XBOX Infinity I see a long lifespan for it.

 

[willomz]

Well nice drop in power consumption. Very impressive job there AMD.

?? Why are clock speeds lower? Is this a misprint? (Its running 200-400 mhz slower). 1333 mhz support vs 1600 for its predecessor?

Both tested at 1333 mhz ram.

But absolutely no performance increase. Its slower than the a4-5300. GPU performance is comparable but generally a few percent less.

Take with a large grain of salt.

Why are you surprised?
Why do you think they called it the A4-4000?

The lower number indicates that this is a very low power, low performance, cheap chip. The A4-6300 is presumably the successor to the 5300.

 

[Enigmoid]

Why are you surprised?
Why do you think they called it the A4-4000?

The lower number indicates that this is a very low power, low performance, cheap chip. The A4-6300 is presumably the successor to the 5300.

There is no trinity chip weaker than it. That is why I am surprised.

The a4 chips are pretty weak and they just released the weakest one when they told us that richland was supposed to bring improvements.

Weakest richland chip is weaker than the weakest trinity chip.

That just seems weird.

 

[galego]

^^^ I already explained this to you before:

4000 series < 5000 series < 6000 series.

And no the A4 are not "pretty weak". A4 are better than ivi celerons and the like which they are aimed to compete.

 

[Enigmoid]

^^^ I already explained this to you before:

4000 series < 5000 series < 6000 series.

And no the A4 are not "pretty weak". A4 are better than ivi celerons and the like which they are aimed to compete.

I don't think you are getting this.

Trinity does not have any 4000 series apus.

4000 series launches with richland and is weaker than any trinity apu.

a4-5300 is a dual core at 3.6 turbo.
Pentium is a dual core at 2.9-3.0.

IPC advantage easily makes up the difference (though the pentium is more expensive). Pentium also has crap igp.

Passmark (highly multithreaded benchmark that is pretty unreliable but its hard to find anyone reviewing such low end cpus and so I will use it). In this case its okay to use because the cpus have a low core count (and so the loading of all cores is more practical than if there were 6+ cores--few real world applications do that).

pentium g2020 ($65)-2870
a4-5300 ($55-50)-2055
celeron g550 ($50)-2346

Cpu wise they aren't really better. But they have a much better igp.

 

[R0H1T]

So they want more gpu performance than H2D4000/4600/5XXX, but not so much as to buy a discrete card and they don't really care about CPU performance either.

That must be a very small niche.

Nope, its actually the single largest segment of the market ~ IGP, ever heard of that ? Still waiting patiently for Kaveri & HSA ~ the one to rule them all

 

[willomz]

Maybe because if a Trinity 4000 part did exist it would be too weak.

There's obviously a minimum performance level that is acceptable, Richland @ 3ghz can deliver that, Trinity @ 3ghz wouldn't meet that minimum level.

 

[willomz]

Nope, its actually the single largest segment of the market ~ IGP, ever heard of that ? Still waiting patiently for Kaveri & HSA ~ the one to rule them all

Umm yes, but Intel offers a perfectly good IGP as well.

I mean yes there might be a very small number of people who are gamers but can't afford even a $100 card. But that certainly isn't a large segment of the market.

 

[Sleepingforest]

Nope, its actually the single largest segment of the market ~ IGP, ever heard of that ? Still waiting patiently for Kaveri & HSA ~ the one to rule them all

He's not saying that iGPU is insignificant. He's saying that the number of people who aren't satisfied with an HD4000 but don't need what currently can only be obtained via discrete graphics is very small. That may change with more and more high-res portable devices, but this is how it is right now.

I'm planning on buying a Kaveri to replace my 3+ year old Intel Atom 330 HTPC. With the hUMA architecture and similarity to the PS4 / XBOX Infinity I see a long lifespan for it.

I think that will depend on what you want from it and how much the computing needs of various tasks changes in future. If you think it will last long for gaming, I would reconsider; since console games are ported to PCs as a whole (there won't be a separate hUMA edition), you probably won't see any of the tailor-made optimizations that consoles get. Of course, you'll see benefits inherent to hUMA as a whole, but no extra beyond that simply because it resembles the consoles.