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Are Richland desktops pre-ready?

I'm personally more interested in the mobile set of Richland APUs, since integrated graphics and their low-power ability matters more there. On the desktop, I suppose it will be very useful for budget gaming.

I think it comes down to what you mean by "pre-ready."
 
zaydq said:
  • AMD Radeon™ HD 8570 2GB DDR3
  • AMD Radeon™ HD 8470 1GB DDR3
wat?
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If it comes with DDR3, you can safely assume that it's just there to look good. If Richland does even what it claims, those chips are totally worthless (including the Nvidia ones, before anyone accuses me of bias).

Looking at the rebadges, those should be weaker than a DDR3 7750 but stronger than a DDR3 6450.
 
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Yes, we understand what pre-ready literally means. But fit for what action or purpose? General use, like word processing? Sure. Cheap gaming? Probably. Replacing all dGPU computers? No.
 
ShintaiDK said:
Thats discrete cards. Part of the great renaming.
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Actually, the 8570 is "Oland", a new(ish) chip which is below the HD7750 in performance but still based on GCN. It's the same as the mobile Mars chip.

The 8470 is just a rebranded 6450 though D:
 
Sleepingforest said:
Yes, we understand what pre-ready literally means. But fit for what action or purpose? General use, like word processing? Sure. Cheap gaming? Probably. Replacing all dGPU computers? No.
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Who said you that AMD Richlands on the desktop are aimed to "replacing all dGPU"?

It is some unbiased sites who are over-hyping Intel as

quad-core Haswell could well outperform Nvidia's GTX 680 [...]
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galego said:
Who said you that AMD Richlands on the desktop are aimed to "replacing all dGPU"?

It is some unbiased sites who are over-hyping Intel as
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I call BS on that quote that haswell will outperform a gtx 680. No one in their right mind would say that. Show me the source. It could be a misprint that was supposed say Gt 650, which is still a bit optimistic, but a reasonable speculation for the highest model.
 
galego said:
Who said you that AMD Richlands on the desktop are aimed to "replacing all dGPU"?

It is some unbiased sites who are over-hyping Intel as
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Why are you attacking me again? I'm just saying nobody expects the APU to replace dGPUs on desktop. I never accused you or anyone else of doing so. Take a step back from your paranoid corner, and realize that not everything I post is an attack.

Seriously, I think we can all agree that APU will not replace the very top end dGPUs within the next year.
 
Yes, they are before ready (since that's what the prefix pre- means). Unlike models currently in stock, you only have a "learn more" button and no options to purchase them.
 
Sleepingforest said:
Why are you attacking me again? I'm just saying nobody expects the APU to replace dGPUs on desktop. I never accused you or anyone else of doing so. Take a step back from your paranoid corner, and realize that not everything I post is an attack.

Seriously, I think we can all agree that APU will not replace the very top end dGPUs within the next year.
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I'm kind of surprised companies like Dell have not flocked to APUs: Just fast enough to run games but not only do they save money not having to include a dGPU they don't even have to include a PCIe slot. Then when the customer wants to upgrade because the APU isn't fast enough to run new games they have to throw out the whole thing and go back to Dell for a new disposable computer.
 
lagokc said:
I'm kind of surprised companies like Dell have not flocked to APUs: Just fast enough to run games but not only do they save money not having to include a dGPU they don't even have to include a PCIe slot. Then when the customer wants to upgrade because the APU isn't fast enough to run new games they have to throw out the whole thing and go back to Dell for a new disposable computer.
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Just watch for the Dell Steambox to do exactly that... take a mini-ITX sized board with a soldered down APU (one of the mobile Richland or Kaveri chips perhaps), with a couple of DIMMs or SODIMMs (whichever is cheapest), and no PCI/PCIe slot. All in a little box to fit under your TV. PC as a (disposable) console.
 
Sleepingforest said:
Why are you attacking me again? I'm just saying nobody expects the APU to replace dGPUs on desktop. I never accused you or anyone else of doing so. Take a step back from your paranoid corner, and realize that not everything I post is an attack.
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Who is attacking you? Your post

Sleepingforest said:
Yes, we understand what pre-ready literally means. But fit for what action or purpose? General use, like word processing? Sure. Cheap gaming? Probably. Replacing all dGPU computers? No.
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which seem to suggest that you did feel the need to say No. Then I asked you

Who said you that AMD Richlands on the desktop are aimed to "replacing all dGPU"?
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Where is the attack? Who is being paranoid here my friend?
 
Galego, let me be perfectly clear: I do not think you believe APUs can replace top end dGPUs within the year. I do not believe APUs can replace top end dGPUs within the year.

I have yet to argue with you at all. Actually, you have yet to make any statements beyond your question in the OP and your tangental reply to me, and I don't disagree with you on that point either.
 
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Sleepingforest said:
Galego, let me be perfectly clear: I do not think you believe APUs can replace top end dGPUs within the year. I do not believe APUs can replace top end dGPUs within the year.

I have yet to argue with you at all. Actually, you have yet to make any statements beyond your question in the OP and your tangental reply to me, and I don't disagree with you on that point either.
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I know what you think because you wrote NO. It was pretty clear.

I was asking you if you did read some biased article saying YES. Why do you believe that I cited a quote from a biased article? I was waiting you could give some link or quote from some biased article as well.

Ok?
 
Thanks for clarifying what you mean! I never believed that. I have not read an article quite that biased--I'm just pointing out the different levels of what "ready" could mean.
 
NTMBK said:
The 8470 is just a rebranded 6450 though D:
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Assuming that this is right, it really doesn't sit well with me.

The same product shouldn't go from the 50 suffix to a 70 while also passing from the 6th gen family prefix to the 8th. At least not with the "4" remaining the same.

6450->8370, ok.
6450->8430, sure.
6450->8450, maybe.
but 6450 to 8470? either I'm missing something or AMD is changing up their numbering scheme or this is just needless complication.
 
lagokc said:
I'm kind of surprised companies like Dell have not flocked to APUs: Just fast enough to run games but not only do they save money not having to include a dGPU they don't even have to include a PCIe slot. Then when the customer wants to upgrade because the APU isn't fast enough to run new games they have to throw out the whole thing and go back to Dell for a new disposable computer.
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But then the backlash ensues that Dell doesn't provide the consumer with flexibility and features they expect (PCI-E x16 being standard on practically every motherboard), and they then tarnish their reputation again. Such a strategy is not sure to backfire this way, but it does carry a risk of doing so.
 
lagokc said:
I'm kind of surprised companies like Dell have not flocked to APUs: Just fast enough to run games but not only do they save money not having to include a dGPU they don't even have to include a PCIe slot. Then when the customer wants to upgrade because the APU isn't fast enough to run new games they have to throw out the whole thing and go back to Dell for a new disposable computer.
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