Are Apple/Android flame wars the new 3dfx/Nvidia?

[rudeguy]

Group text messages are still something android has not gotten right. Copy and paste comes to mind as well. They beat apple to the punch with that but damn was it terrible.

again...not having something is not "throwing mud against the wall".

And copy and paste? How was it terrible? You long press to highlight a word or menu > select text (in the old days). Links on copy and paste being terrible?

 

[cheezy321]

again...not having something is not "throwing mud against the wall".

And copy and paste? How was it terrible? You long press to highlight a word or menu > select text (in the old days). Links on copy and paste being terrible?

Group text is poorly implemented still. My friend has a S4 and he shows me what it looks like when he is part of a group message. It is not pretty and confusing to boot.

You obviously have not compared the two when it comes to copy and paste.

 

[rudeguy]

Group text is poorly implemented still. My friend has a S4 and he shows me what it looks like when he is part of a group message. It is not pretty and confusing to boot.

You obviously have not compared the two when it comes to copy and paste.

I'm not comparing anything.

He said that Google threw as much as they could at the wall. I'm trying to get him to prove his point.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I think multitasking is a good example to hi-lite the philosophical difference between apple and android. It is quite true that multi-tasking took quite a long time to show up on iOS, well after Android. The key question is why. Multitasking is a concept borrowed from the concept of computing. The presence of it necessitates a cognitive awareness of resource utilization, battery life, etc. It allows the untrained user to push a device via it's software beyond the capabilities of it's hardware. While someone who is aware of this could leverage it to increase productivity without significantly degrading performance, many other users would knowingly or unknowingly abuse it and their experience with the device would suffer. This is not how Apple operates. They waited until they could devise a scheme of sleep states, essentially simulating multi tasking and making it transparent to the user, essentially 90% of the benefit and none of the drawbacks. While this may upset some power users who know or care about the benefits of true multitasking, or are insulted that Apple doesn't trust them to intelligently manage the memory and cpu capabilities of their device, those people are not Apple's target audience. Apple makes active efforts to protect users from themselves by locking down the device and the app store, and the overall pleasantness and consistency of the device experience resulting from it is what makes them so successful.

 

[cheezy321]

I think multitasking is a good example to hi-lite the philosophical difference between apple and android. It is quite true that multi-tasking took quite a long time to show up on iOS, well after Android. The key question is why. Multitasking is a concept borrowed from the concept of computing. The presence of it necessitates a cognitive awareness of resource utilization, battery life, etc. It allows the untrained user to push a device via it's software beyond the capabilities of it's hardware. While someone who is aware of this could leverage it to increase productivity without significantly degrading performance, many other users would knowingly or unknowingly abuse it and their experience with the device would suffer. This is not how Apple operates. They waited until they could devise a scheme of sleep states, essentially simulating multi tasking and making it transparent to the user, essentially 90% of the benefit and none of the drawbacks. While this may upset some power users who know or care about the benefits of true multitasking, or are insulted that Apple doesn't trust them to intelligently manage the memory and cpu capabilities of their device, those people are not Apple's target audience. Apple makes active efforts to protect users from themselves by locking down the device and the app store, and the overall pleasantness and consistency of the device experience resulting from it is what makes them so successful.

This exactly. I think this forum exaggerates the amount of 'power users' to the extreme. Cyanogen Mod has 8 million users. There are well over a billion android devices out there. They aren't even a blip on the radar. I would wager to guess less than 1% of android users actually do all the modding, sideloading, NFC tags, etc that is talked about ad nauseam on this forum.

 

[WelshBloke]

This exactly. I think this forum exaggerates the amount of 'power users' to the extreme. Cyanogen Mod has 8 million users. There are well over a billion android devices out there. They aren't even a blip on the radar. I would wager to guess less than 1% of android users actually do all the modding, sideloading, NFC tags, etc that is talked about ad nauseam on this forum.

It might be true when you are talking about the more esoteric aspects of devices but just being able to set default apps and play back any media type shows a different attitude towards the end user twixt Apple and Google.

 

[rudeguy]

This exactly. I think this forum exaggerates the amount of 'power users' to the extreme. Cyanogen Mod has 8 million users. There are well over a billion android devices out there. They aren't even a blip on the radar. I would wager to guess less than 1% of android users actually do all the modding, sideloading, NFC tags, etc that is talked about ad nauseam on this forum.

See my original post in this thread:

There are three basic types of Android users;
People that didn't want to spend the money on an iPhone (mostly prepaid)
People that wanted a bigger screen than an iPhone
Power users

 

[cheezy321]

See my original post in this thread:

There are three basic types of Android users;
People that didn't want to spend the money on an iPhone (mostly prepaid) 60% - Majority overseas
People that wanted a bigger screen than an iPhone 39%
Power users - 1% - Also the most vocal group on the internet

Added my opinions but for the most part I agree with you

 

[Mxylplyx]

See my original post in this thread:

There are three basic types of Android users;
People that didn't want to spend the money on an iPhone (mostly prepaid)
People that wanted a bigger screen than an iPhone
Power users

I think that is accurate. Probably the biggest misconception among android power users, who I believe constitute the vast majority of the fandroids that fill up blog comment sections with all their crap, have not fully wrapped their heads around how apple could dare call something "better", when specs and hardware feature lists dont reflect that. Most of those came of age during the evolution of the PC, where performance solely boiled down to clock speeds, cpu cores,and various other fairly linear performance metrics. ATI releases a faster video card that scores better in 3dmark, even if the drivers are crap and it crashes half the time, it's better, end of story. Apple focuses on quality in a less measurable way by focusing on how the entire ecosystem (hardware/software/services) coalesces into a unified user experience. It's a value beyond the sum of it's parts. As someone who lost interest in being a power user a number of years ago, I now appreciate that approach. Google can only go so far down this road since they don't control the entire ecosystem.

 

[rudeguy]

Added my opinions but for the most part I agree with you

I don't disagree at all.

I actually stay out of GG&P or whatever its called now because of all the fanboyism going on. It is stupid. That's why I stirred up the pot in here because this thread never would have survived an hour there but the mods left this one open.

Use what you like. That's all that matters. I like Android. Some people like iOS. I heard there is even a guy in Pittsburgh that like BlackBerry D:

 

[WelshBloke]

Added my opinions but for the most part I agree with you

As an aside to that first point a pay as you go 16GB Iphone5 is £499.95 from carphone warehouse in the UK and a 16GB S4 is £569.95.

Now there are cheaper Android devices but when you are talking top end phones the iPhones are the cheaper option.

 

[Mxylplyx]

It might be true when you are talking about the more esoteric aspects of devices but just being able to set default apps and play back any media type shows a different attitude towards the end user twixt Apple and Google.

Apple doesn't want users to think about or even know about media types, beyond whether it's a picture or a video. With a robust enough ecosystem that allows you to access and consume whatever *legal* media you desire, users don't need to care about this in Apple's view. You think most Apple users, or even Android users, know what a video codec is? I think now even the term "mp3" is starting to fade from the general lexicon. Now it's just music.

 

[Eureka]

Apple doesn't want users to think about or even know about media types, beyond whether it's a picture or a video. With a robust enough ecosystem that allows you to access and consume whatever *legal* media you desire, users don't need to care about this in Apple's view. You think most Apple users, or even Android users, know what a video codec is? I think now even the term "mp3" is starting to fade from the general lexicon. Now it's just music.

The bigger question is, does it really matter?

The only people who get offended by Apple products are those who feel the need to control every little thing in their lives.

It's a device. It does things. If it does what you want it to do in a way you need it to do for a price you're willing to pay, then buy it.

I use my android because I like being able to customize it. But I've used iOS before and it's fine too. I don't like how restrictive the settings are but it still worked, and I can see why it's a better device for some people because they just want something that works out of the box with little problems. On the other hand my S4 took me hours to fully customize. They're solutions for different problems and anyone who thinks someone else is an idiot for choosing something different has a superiority complex they need to address.

 

[WelshBloke]

Apple doesn't want users to think about or even know about media types, beyond whether it's a picture or a video. With a robust enough ecosystem that allows you to access and consume whatever *legal* media you desire, users don't need to care about this in Apple's view. You think most Apple users, or even Android users, know what a video codec is? I think now even the term "mp3" is starting to fade from the general lexicon. Now it's just music.

Point is that it's easier for the noob on android, just drag and drop the media file into your storage and, unless it's a very obscure file type, it's going to play fine.

And legal doesn't only mean "purchased through iTunes". I have a ton of stuff on my home server that's legal and in different formats.

 

[rudeguy]

Point is that it's easier for the noob on android, just drag and drop the media file into your storage and, unless it's a very obscure file type, it's going to play fine.

And legal doesn't only mean "purchased through iTunes". I have a ton of stuff on my home server that's legal and in different formats.

uh huh

If my media player isn't flexible, its worthless to me. Most of my stuff is on Google Play Music now though, so its not as big of a deal. But I really do wish there was a better music app than Play Music to use with my Play...well...music.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Group text is poorly implemented still. My friend has a S4 and he shows me what it looks like when he is part of a group message. It is not pretty and confusing to boot.

You obviously have not compared the two when it comes to copy and paste.

I thought copy and paste on IOS 6 was garbage compared to Androids implementation.

 

[cheezy321]

I thought copy and paste on IOS 6 was garbage compared to Androids implementation.

That's great. You are in the extreme minority. I wouldn't expect you to like any implementation done by Apple.

 

[Aikouka]

Maybe it's just an internet thing but I've never had anyone push an Apple opinion to me in real life. Actually, the only time I've heard a real opinion on either one is an Android user trying to prove how much more superior the Android phone is over an iPhone.

I've gotten tons of flak for owning an iPhone. :\

So basically you have people that are happy with having old technology and outdated hardware (iOS) and then you have everyone else.

iOS devices are usually faster than any comparable Android device when they're released....

NFC?

NFC antennas are huge and typically reside along a large portion of the back of the phone. This doesn't work with devices that have a metal back.

Multi core processor?

Two is multiple.

Are they even using an up to date bluetooth version?

The iPhone 4S released with Bluetooth 4, which includes support for Bluetooth Low Energy.

If you're going to complain about connectivity not being "up to date", why not complain about the lack of LTE Advanced or 802.11ac. Stop making me do your work for you.

How many generations did ios have to wait through to get blue tooth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices

The iPhone has had Bluetooth since the original iPhone.

This is not how Apple operates. They waited until they could devise a scheme of sleep states, essentially simulating multi tasking and making it transparent to the user, essentially 90% of the benefit and none of the drawbacks.

If I remember correctly, iOS 5 allowed for six different actions that were effectively "multitasking lite". For example, you could play audio in the background, or upon loss of focus, request time to complete necessary actions. That's actually changed in iOS 7:

http://anandtech.com/show/7343/the-ios-7-review/2 (Multitasking API Changes section)

 

[SlitheryDee]

I'm not comparing anything.

He said that Google threw as much as they could at the wall. I'm trying to get him to prove his point.

I proved it already. You just missed the point of my original post. Google has a history of releasing a lot of android features that aren't ready for prime time. That's why I said you can literally look at almost EVERY android feature as proof of my point. Apple's stuff has evolved over time too, but they started out in a more polished state than equivalent android features. I'm not sure why you're latching on to the particular figure of speech I used. I was actually thinking about the device manufacturer's approach more than Google's when I posted that.

 

[rudeguy]

I proved it already. You just missed the point of my original post. Google has a history of releasing a lot of android features that aren't ready for prime time. That's why I said you can literally look at almost EVERY android feature as proof of my point. Apple's stuff has evolved over time too, but they started out in a more polished state than equivalent android features. I'm not sure why you're latching on to the particular figure of speech I used. I was actually thinking about the device manufacturer's approach more than Google's when I posted that.

Stirring the pot.

Don't feel special

 

[davmat787]

To answer the OP, I honestly couldn't tell you since I don't pay much attention to it, or go to any fan sites. The bulk of my exposure to this phenomenon is in comment threads.

I do think the Microsoft Lumia 1020 commercials that make fund of the Android and Apple fanboys are pretty good.

 

[Narse]

All the people fighting and I am just sitting here enjoying my phone that runs neither OS.

 

[PlanetJosh]

Wow does that bring me back to '98 and a couple of Voodoo2 cards in sli playing Glide games, Unreal and Forsaken. Tried NVidia too back then with a Riva TNT card, really fast but didn't like the 2d graphics on it.

Concerning cellphones I have the Samsung GS4 and loving it. Has anyone seen Blu Ray quality video on this thing? I haven't tried an Apple phone first hand but let's just say I doubt the Blu Rays will look as good on an Apple.

 

[zerogear]

Am I one of those rare people who just use whatever works/fits my life? While I'm not fond of apple, I use an iPad simply because they offer the best experience. Why do people need to be in certain camps?

 

[SparkyJJO]

The bigger question is, does it really matter?

The only people who get offended by Apple products are those who feel the need to control every little thing in their lives.

I prefer to control everything in my life vs have someone else (or some corporation if we want to use a buzzword ) control it for me