Apple Outrages Users By Automatically Installing U2's Album On Their Devices

[smackababy]

Also, this whole discussion is incredibly stupid given the "Use Cellular Data" setting.

Not only that, there is an option to disable Data Roaming.

 

[xBiffx]

Still not covering it, sorry. All I'm looking for is a statement that Apple can force you to acquire items in your itunes account without your consent. Should I just keep asking?

Keep asking, but if the terms of service and the picture of the software that says "Automatically download new purchases (including free) made on other devices." isn't enough for you then you are hopeless and I'm done trying to answer.

 

[fskimospy]

Keep asking, but if the terms of service and the picture of the software that says "Automatically download new purchases (including free) made on other devices." isn't enough for you then you are hopeless and I'm done trying to answer.

You realize that to acquire free content on itunes you still have to elect to acquire it, right?

I'm asking a very simple question.

 

[smackababy]

You realize that to acquire free content on itunes you still have to elect to acquire it, right?

I'm asking a very simple question.

Actually, as evidence of the U2 album, you don't.


Which brings up the question, can you gift albums on iTunes? And if so, if I were to gift you an album and you had automatic downloads elected, would you get a download without "consenting"? Sounds like you're just trying to rules lawyer your way into an Apple hate party.

 

[fskimospy]

Actually, as evidence of the U2 album, you don't.

So the expectation for that should be easy to point out in the TOS, right? Maybe you can succeed where xbiffx has been unable to.

Is your argument that by enabling automatic downloads Apple can place whatever it wants on your phone at any time? Child porn? Missile secrets? If so, this is a rather extraordinary power that's been granted.

Oh god I just realized that my PC has automatic updates enabled, I hope Microsoft hasn't decided to start using my home computer as a storage server, as apparently that's within their rights.

 

[fskimospy]

Which brings up the question, can you gift albums on iTunes? And if so, if I were to gift you an album and you had automatic downloads elected, would you get a download without "consenting"? Sounds like you're just trying to rules lawyer your way into an Apple hate party.

You can gift albums! Once the person accepts your gift they will download the album. If they don't affirmatively say yes, no dice.

Also, Apple hate party? I have an iphone, I like Apple just fine.

 

[WelshBloke]

Is your argument that by enabling automatic downloads Apple can place whatever it wants on your phone at any time? Child porn? Missile secrets? If so, this is a rather extraordinary power that's been granted.

Well there's other laws preventing the distribution of those things and, bad that that album is, it's not illegal.

Oh god I just realized that my PC has automatic updates enabled, I hope Microsoft hasn't decided to start using my home computer as a storage server, as apparently that's within their rights.

Using a similar Microsoft service (onedrive) I've had them do the same thing (admittedly with a small text file). (pretty sure it was onedrive might have been dropbox)

 

[xBiffx]

You realize that to acquire free content on itunes you still have to elect to acquire it, right?

I'm asking a very simple question.

You did, when you accepted automatic downloads. App updates work the same way. You elected to acquire them when you selected automatic updates.

 

[fskimospy]

You did, when you accepted automatic downloads. App updates work the same way. You elected to acquire them when you selected automatic updates.

Interesting, by accepting automatic downloads I've elected to acquire all free content on itunes. Man, I should have sprung for the 64GB model.

 

[Pens1566]

You did, when you accepted automatic downloads. App updates work the same way. You elected to acquire them when you selected automatic updates.

No, it means at some point he had to purchase/install the app from itunes.

 

[unokitty]

Apple’s Devious U2 Album Giveaway Is Even Worse Than Spam

The delivery mechanism amounts to nothing more than spam with forced downloads, and nothing less than a completely indefensible expansion by Apple beyond its operational purview... It has, demonstrably, no competence in the sort of social and cultural thought that should have gone into a well-orchestrated version of this same gimmick, like, say, a free album as a birthday gift. It also certainly has no business forcing files of any sort onto my computer without my permission.

“For the people out there who have no interest in checking us out, look at it this way… the blood, sweat and tears of some Irish guys are in your junk mail,” says Bono, missing the point in a letter on the band’s web site. Nope! Not in the junk mail, but instead in a position of unwarranted prominence on the expensive device I use to organize and execute almost everything of importance in my life, including work, friends, communication, and especially music.

Forcible dissemination of a trinket that statistics suggest is useless to 498 million of the 500 million people who received it is a simple demonstration of privilege: U2 is among the few bands with the grandfathered-in industry connections to get accomplish something so absurd—and have Apple pay a nominal fee for each copy, no less. Apple, in turn, can leverage an uninterested and unwitting audience that is unlikely to do much about the transgression, given that it has no real recourse nor alternative.

Meaningful power has by now largely disappeared from the music industry...

Do I understand this correctly?

Apple fan boys whining for someone to protect them from Apple?

"The horror! The horror!"

Uno

 

[xBiffx]

No, it means at some point he had to purchase/install the app from itunes.

And it was automatically downloaded if he had that setting selected. Download is separate from install, don't conflate the two.

 

[Pens1566]

And it was automatically downloaded if he had that setting selected. Download is separate from install, don't conflate the two.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[MrColin]

U2 was a pretty safe bet because their music is bland and predictable and repetitive and sounds just like all of the big commercial acts that don't offend stuffy conformist peckerwoods. I wish Apple would have chosen a nice classical arrangement and supported a good orchestra somewhere, and/or Jack White or The Black Keys.

Apple is turning beige.

 

[dawp]

My problem with this is that apple and u2 assumed everyone with an iphone (or maybe just an itunes account) would want the album whether or not you have auto-download enabled.

just make it free and let me decide if I want it or not.

that's basically what NIN did a couple of years ago.

 

[RampantAndroid]

And it was automatically downloaded if he had that setting selected. Download is separate from install, don't conflate the two.

In past, everything free I'd had to redeem. Until now, nothing free has just been given without user action. If you don't remember, pull up the christmas rewards apple did. This is the first instance of Apple auto-downloading music (shitty music at that) on to people's phones that I'm aware of.


Except mine. Because iOS8 was so busy hard-locking and requiring a force reboot that it forgot it was supposed to download some shitty music for me....

 

[rockyct]

Seems pretty self explanatory. If you've selected content to be auto downloaded, it will be auto downloaded. That means anything that Apple wants to consider content as well, such as app updates, or in this case a free album.

Perhaps a picture will work better?




Also, this whole discussion is incredibly stupid given the "Use Cellular Data" setting.

This "outrage" is perhaps the most "1st world problem" I've ever seen.

 

[RampantAndroid]

This "outrage" is perhaps the most "1st world problem" I've ever seen.

...because some people will potentially have gone over their data cap? I couldn't care less for me - I have unlimited data still. But for people with smaller capped plans, Apple is a bunch of tools for doing this to them. Before this incident I believed only songs I purchased and app updates below 100MB were automatic.

Because, see the language isn't "Automatically download new purchases made on other devices and new free items"

It's "Automatically download new purchases (including free)" - translated, that means you will download purchases whether they are free or not. PURCHASES. That implies user action.

The U2 case falls under the first statement - I did not purchase the U2 album for free. It was added to my library without my consent or any action on my part.

 

[xBiffx]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

LOL, OK. Like I have trouble sleeping over what a bunch of dumb fuck Apple customers are whining about. Good one.

 

[xBiffx]

In past, everything free I'd had to redeem. Until now, nothing free has just been given without user action. If you don't remember, pull up the christmas rewards apple did. This is the first instance of Apple auto-downloading music (shitty music at that) on to people's phones that I'm aware of.


Except mine. Because iOS8 was so busy hard-locking and requiring a force reboot that it forgot it was supposed to download some shitty music for me....

The automatic downloads didn't start right before Apple chose to put this U2 album in people's iTunes. Neither has the fact that it will download anything free automatically either. This might be the first time for music, but its not the first time for content. Again, Apple customers whining about nothing.

 

[xBiffx]

...because some people will potentially have gone over their data cap? I couldn't care less for me - I have unlimited data still. But for people with smaller capped plans, Apple is a bunch of tools for doing this to them. Before this incident I believed only songs I purchased and app updates below 100MB were automatic.

Because, see the language isn't "Automatically download new purchases made on other devices and new free items"

It's "Automatically download new purchases (including free)" - translated, that means you will download purchases whether they are free or not. PURCHASES. That implies user action.

The U2 case falls under the first statement - I did not purchase the U2 album for free. It was added to my library without my consent or any action on my part.

I highly doubt anyone was affected by this concerning their data cap. Even if they were, they chose to let it happen. For it to affect their data cap, they had to select two settings, one for automatic downloads and one for using cellar data to complete said downloads.

Also, the user action was the user accepting automatic downloads. This album will just sit there otherwise.

Basically, Apple customers are once again, mindless.

 

[Pens1566]

LOL, OK. Like I have trouble sleeping over what a bunch of dumb fuck Apple customers are whining about. Good one.

Figure of speech ... anyway, you're apparently the only one that is unable to grasp the concept of people being upset at content showing up on their devices without having first "purchasing" it. Your semantics about the auto download feature are bullshit. If that were really the case then every piece of "free" content on itunes would be on the devices as well. It's not.

 

[xBiffx]

Figure of speech ... anyway, you're apparently the only one that is unable to grasp the concept of people being upset at content showing up on their devices without having first "purchasing" it. Your semantics about the auto download feature are bullshit. If that were really the case then every piece of "free" content on itunes would be on the devices as well. It's not.

I grasp it just fine. I just find it utterly hilarious.

Keep thinking its just semantics and users electing to receive automatic downloads means something other than that.

 

[Pens1566]

I grasp it just fine. I just find it utterly hilarious.

Keep thinking its just semantics and users electing to receive automatic downloads means something other than that.

It means they elected to receive automatic downloads of content they've "purchased". Where are all the free apps they haven't purchased on their devices?

 

[xBiffx]

It means they elected to receive automatic downloads of content they've "purchased". Where are all the free apps they haven't purchased on their devices?

This isn't an app, it is content. Apps need to be installed after they are downloaded, this content does not.

Why no outrage from automatic updates being downloaded?