Apple just HAS to rain on Microsoft's parade...

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
but but.. Mac OS's sucked bad and they were using crappy IBM CPU's and no one bought them because they were slow pieces of crap. Microsoft needs to move on this asap lol.

Intel made apple aside from the ipod imo

Agreed. I used to have a G4 and holy shit was it ever slow. Drove me to switch to Windows.

Maybe Macs are fast now that they have Intel processors, or maybe OS X is just inherently slower than Windows because of all the little animations they put in. Either way I'm very happy with my DIY PC and I don't ever plan on owning another Mac. Too expensive given the hardware they have (although that's my opinion of most pre-built PCs, Macs just take it a little farther).

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: theblackbox
what gets me these days is people building systems and spending 400+ dollars on just a case. then they turn around and talk about how much they hate apple because apple cost too much.

I've bought several 400 dollar cases. Guess what? They've all been a million times better than anything you can get w/ a Mac. What is your point? It's never been about Apple being so expensive that us po' folk can't afford it. It's about what Apple offers you at their asking price. It's about unintelligent buyers who either don't care or don't know that they can get better. It's like Bose. You know there are a lot of people who swear by those speakers.

Bose... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

...cheapest Chinese junk components inside "We wish we were Bang and Olufsen" enclosures.

 

[rasczak]

this shit needs should be in the apple subforum. take that fanboyism shit out of OT please.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: theblackbox
what gets me these days is people building systems and spending 400+ dollars on just a case. then they turn around and talk about how much they hate apple because apple cost too much.

I've bought several 400 dollar cases. Guess what? They've all been a million times better than anything you can get w/ a Mac. What is your point? It's never been about Apple being so expensive that us po' folk can't afford it. It's about what Apple offers you at their asking price. It's about unintelligent buyers who either don't care or don't know that they can get better. It's like Bose. You know there are a lot of people who swear by those speakers.

and how is a 400 dollar case better, do tell?

as i said, i researched the choices when i needed a new workstation, and dell and hp couldn't come close to apple at the price, and building one would have been about the same price at the time.
but if a fancy custom painted case like a cooler master turns you on, so be it. but kind of makes your bose argument seem silly.

enthusiasts always talk about how much more apple computers cost, but if they ever took a moment to add up all the money they sunk into a gaming rig always upgrading and changing out parts on a 6 month or less schedule, they'd find that macs are fairly cheap.
and for the average user, last a very long time.
i gave up building boxes when i turned 40 because i found that money could go to better uses. now i just have the two macs, and life is good.
i still game on my mac, windows 7 runs amazingly well on it, and it's got one of the best cases in the business, even though you say that your 400$ case is a million times better, but hey, what do i know, right?
because i like apple.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

what gets me these days is people building systems and spending 400+ dollars on just a case. then they turn around and talk about how much they hate apple because apple cost too much.

Show me 1 person who has spent $400 on a case and said they hate Apple because their machines cost too much.

 

[randay]

while i agree with the overall picture of that commercial, i still think its pathetic.

the problem with mac commercials is that its all just propaganda. while windows may have some real issues, they never specifically address them and just make blanket statements, and even some outright wrong statements.

that said i hate how everyone just thinks vista is broken, when in fact it works just fine. and i hate how everyone thinks windows 7 is supposed to magically be awesome.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: theblackbox
what gets me these days is people building systems and spending 400+ dollars on just a case. then they turn around and talk about how much they hate apple because apple cost too much.

I've bought several 400 dollar cases. Guess what? They've all been a million times better than anything you can get w/ a Mac. What is your point? It's never been about Apple being so expensive that us po' folk can't afford it. It's about what Apple offers you at their asking price. It's about unintelligent buyers who either don't care or don't know that they can get better. It's like Bose. You know there are a lot of people who swear by those speakers.

and how is a 400 dollar case better, do tell?

as i said, i researched the choices when i needed a new workstation, and dell and hp couldn't come close to apple at the price, and building one would have been about the same price at the time.
but if a fancy custom painted case like a cooler master turns you on, so be it. but kind of makes your bose argument seem silly.

enthusiasts always talk about how much more apple computers cost, but if they ever took a moment to add up all the money they sunk into a gaming rig always upgrading and changing out parts on a 6 month or less schedule, they'd find that macs are fairly cheap.
and for the average user, last a very long time.
i gave up building boxes when i turned 40 because i found that money could go to better uses. now i just have the two macs, and life is good.
i still game on my mac, windows 7 runs amazingly well on it, and it's got one of the best cases in the business, even though you say that your 400$ case is a million times better, but hey, what do i know, right?
because i like apple.

That's not really a valid comparison because you can't upgrade a Mac on a 6-month gaming-rig schedule... because Macs can't be upgraded and are pretty bad at gaming (the GPUs you get with every Mac are really bad given the price).

Other than the lack of upgrades, Macs pretty much offer the same hardware as PCs, but with extra cost. I mean, it's all the same Intel guts in every machine. The Apple difference is that they let you run the Mac OS and usually charge more. For a lot of people, OS X is worth the extra cost. For many others, it's not. Especially if you want control over what hardware you use.

EDIT: The Mac Pros use Xeon processors, which are basically just like i7s except more expensive and they use ECC RAM that almost no one needs. So maybe buying or building a Xeon workstation would cost as much as buying a Mac Pro, but you can get equal or better performance in certain applications by building a much cheaper, faster i7 PC. One thing you can't do with i7s is run a dual-socket system. So for a select few people, a Mac Pro might make sense. But most people don't need Xeons and would be fine with i7s.

Meanwhile, iMacs cost as much as consumer i7-based systems but only have Core 2 Duos (not even quads). Of course they come with the built in monitor but $1200-$1500 or more for a C2D system seems a bit high.

 

[Terzo]

It's about price and performance.
Sure, the enthusiast who upgrade every 6 months might spend a lot of money (I wouldn't know how much since I'm still running s939...) but they get increased performance to go with it. So even if they spend $1000 over the course of the year upgrading their pc, buying a *new* mac that has equal performance will likely be much more expensive.

 

[Miramonti]

Most Apple engineers are a bunch of idiots.

In fact their mp3 players were designed by a tank full of squid and cuttlefish working together, which is where the name Ipod came from, short for Icephalopod.

 

[Pliablemoose]

What's the song in that iDon't commercial? It's catchy, I've always been a sucker for that shit...

 

[dwell]

How are these ads any worse than the milquetoast Windows 7 ads Microsoft has been running? Essentially, Microsoft has been running the same ad campaign for the past ten years. You know, a perfect ethnic mix of people, performing mundane tasks like they just jumped out of a stock photo, extolling the virtues of Microsoft software.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=player_embedded

At least they tried something new with the Seinfeld spots. Too bad they sucked so bad MS had to go back to the tried and true.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Chris

What's up with this?

:thumbsup:

i wonder what they'll have to call the real windows v. 7?

 

[Terzo]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Most Apple engineers are a bunch of idiots.

In fact their mp3 players were designed by a tank full of squid and cuttlefish working together, which is where the name Ipod came from, short for Icephalopod.

Brilliant. I'll be disappointed if you didn't think of it yourself.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: mb
Did they forget that Snow Leopard is still just a polished turd, and OSX was a major POS before Tiger, and the entire Macintosh OS has massively sucked hard for the last 25 years?

For every BSOD a Windows PC may have had, there were 10 of these.

Apple wants you to remember how bad Windows ME was, but they won't dare mention anything prior to their intel macs now.


This drunken rant was brought to you by Sam Adams :thumbsup:

Hmm I still agree with this.

I started using Macs around system 6. 6, 7, 8, and 9 were fucking horrible. You'd be lucky to use them for 30 mins without having to restart them. Even 10 sucked balls when it was released (highly unstable and lots of incompatibilities - sound familiar?). It took them four service packs to get things smooth with Tiger, but it is still an inferior product.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Terzo

Originally posted by: jjsole
Most Apple engineers are a bunch of idiots.

In fact their mp3 players were designed by a tank full of squid and cuttlefish working together, which is where the name Ipod came from, short for Icephalopod.

Brilliant. I'll be disappointed if you didn't think of it yourself.

To my credit, if I had the audacity to quote someone else, I'd atleast find something a bit more clever than that.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I don't really see the problem. It behooves Apple's marketing dept to entice people who're considering a computer upgrade, if only for the fact that Windows 7 has been released, to switch to Mac. At the same time, the "I'm a PC" ads are really no more "high brow" than Apple's for the fact that they constantly bash Apple's focus on aesthetics.

OTOH, I haven't seen a good Mac vs PC fanboy argument thread in a while. :thumbsup:

 

[Kev]

"Let's cut to commercial"
"Um, we are a commercial"
"Let's cut to another commercial"

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Geez.... like Apple has never had a version of Mac OS that was bad.

I don't think the point of these ads was ever to really attack Microsoft. It just sells more of their computers to smug users who think that they are better because of a product that they buy.

Actually, Mac users are better because they have the intelligence to research and select a superior product. Once you look objectively at both Macs and PCs, any intelligent person will come to the conclusion that the Mac is just a better overall product. The only reason why people say Mac users are 'smug' is because they know they cannot compete on any level, be it intellectually, physically, or socially with the majority of Mac users. Everyone knows this.

my sarcasm meter just exploded

 

[geno]

W7 is out! Time to switch to a Mac!!

Wait, that doesn't even make sense. This is nothing more than Apple trying to steal attention away from MS.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: mb

Originally posted by: mb
Did they forget that Snow Leopard is still just a polished turd, and OSX was a major POS before Tiger, and the entire Macintosh OS has massively sucked hard for the last 25 years?

For every BSOD a Windows PC may have had, there were 10 of these.

Apple wants you to remember how bad Windows ME was, but they won't dare mention anything prior to their intel macs now.


This drunken rant was brought to you by Sam Adams :thumbsup:

Hmm I still agree with this.

I started using Macs around system 6. 6, 7, 8, and 9 were fucking horrible. You'd be lucky to use them for 30 mins without having to restart them. Even 10 sucked balls when it was released (highly unstable and lots of incompatibilities - sound familiar?). It took them four service packs to get things smooth with Tiger, but it is still an inferior product.

Mac OS 7 through 9 were all bad, but the contemporary versions of Windows were also pretty bad. It's hard to decide which one was less bad sometimes. Windows 2000 was definitely better than OS 9. Windows 98 vs. OS 8? Hard to say. Maybe 98 but it wasn't really that good either. XP was pretty good in hindsight, especially compared to the early versions of OS X that had just started coming out at the time. Later, more refined OS X versions raised the bar and that's where both the Mac OS and Windows started getting significantly better.

Unlike some people, I actually liked Vista, and 7 seems like a small but meaningful improvement rather than the Windows OS revolution that some people make it out to be. I find both Vista and 7 to be better than OS X.

 

[JDub02]

pretty funny commercial. i loved the "crocket" look. classic.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: mb
I started using Macs around system 6. 6, 7, 8, and 9 were fucking horrible. You'd be lucky to use them for 30 mins without having to restart them. Even 10 sucked balls when it was released (highly unstable and lots of incompatibilities - sound familiar?). It took them four service packs to get things smooth with Tiger, but it is still an inferior product.

Didn't they basically say "too bad, so sad" to their customers when they went to x86?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
And you want us to believe you're a developer? Please. Windows 7 is a major release but they retain the version 6 and increment the subversion to maintain application compatibility for apps that check the API version number. They did the same thing with Windows 2000 (v5.0) and Windows XP (v5.1).

Microsoft can't even get a versioning system right?

Yes, I'm sure the company that makes more money an hour than you will in your lifetime is full of incompitent morons that don't know dick about creating an Operating System.

I'm just waiting for the press to praise Windows 7 and the Vista haters to say, it's so much better than Vista, then MS comes out and says. YOU'VE BEEN MOJAVED

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: soydios
Irrespective of Windows 7, this commercial is typical for Apple: trying to make Microsoft look bad, without mentioning a word about their own products.

Of course cus there's not many positives at all to owning an Apple product.

THe only positives you'll get for owning an Apple is a higher chance of getting a positive on an AIDS test.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: theblackbox
what gets me these days is people building systems and spending 400+ dollars on just a case. then they turn around and talk about how much they hate apple because apple cost too much.

I've bought several 400 dollar cases. Guess what? They've all been a million times better than anything you can get w/ a Mac. What is your point? It's never been about Apple being so expensive that us po' folk can't afford it. It's about what Apple offers you at their asking price. It's about unintelligent buyers who either don't care or don't know that they can get better. It's like Bose. You know there are a lot of people who swear by those speakers.

and how is a 400 dollar case better, do tell?

as i said, i researched the choices when i needed a new workstation, and dell and hp couldn't come close to apple at the price, and building one would have been about the same price at the time.
but if a fancy custom painted case like a cooler master turns you on, so be it. but kind of makes your bose argument seem silly.

enthusiasts always talk about how much more apple computers cost, but if they ever took a moment to add up all the money they sunk into a gaming rig always upgrading and changing out parts on a 6 month or less schedule, they'd find that macs are fairly cheap.
and for the average user, last a very long time.
i gave up building boxes when i turned 40 because i found that money could go to better uses. now i just have the two macs, and life is good.
i still game on my mac, windows 7 runs amazingly well on it, and it's got one of the best cases in the business, even though you say that your 400$ case is a million times better, but hey, what do i know, right?
because i like apple.

Your comparisons don't even make sense. Your saying that an apple is cheaper for an average user compared to a gamer that upgrades his PC every 6 months. Well duh, even a top end PC would be cheaper for an average user compared to a gamer that upgrades his PC every 6 months. If you want to bring up a gamer that upgrades every 6 months then you need to compare him to an apple user that upgrades every 6 months to play games, oh wait, it's not even possible for a Mac user to do that, oops!