Apple calls MS.

[mugs]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Also you're saying not getting OSX is a spec letdown???

Yes. That is what is missing when you try to compare a Mac and a Windows PC spec for spec. You can only run OS X on a Mac (or Hackintosh), and Mac users are willing to pay extra to be able to run OS X. Macs also come with iLife, which I believe retails for $79 and is quite good if you have a need for those programs.

 

[lxskllr]

I was playing with OSX in a VM for about a week before my HD died, and I honestly don't see the appeal. It's like running a Linux box without controls. Even the simplest options were non-existent.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
I was playing with OSX in a VM for about a week before my HD died, and I honestly don't see the appeal. It's like running a Linux box without controls. Even the simplest options were non-existent.

The primary difference is that you don't have to open a command prompt and vi configuration files in order to fix something... the GUI administration tools in Mac OS X are actually useful for making changes. You also don't get asked for the root/admin password nearly as often.

Oh, the there is actually some good commercial desktop software available for the Mac.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

The primary difference is that you don't have to open a command prompt and vi configuration files in order to fix something... the GUI administration tools in Mac OS X are actually useful for making changes. You also don't get asked for the root/admin password nearly as often.

Oh, the there is actually some good commercial desktop software available for the Mac.

Yea, I fully admit I didn't get to give it a proper workout, but I was left unimpressed by what I saw from initial use.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Also you're saying not getting OSX is a spec letdown???

Yes. That is what is missing when you try to compare a Mac and a Windows PC spec for spec. You can only run OS X on a Mac (or Hackintosh), and Mac users are willing to pay extra to be able to run OS X. Macs also come with iLife, which I believe retails for $79 and is quite good if you have a need for those programs.

If someone considers not getting OSX a spec letdown then they're not even going to get a PC anyways so that doesn't matter.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
If someone considers not getting OSX a spec letdown then they're not even going to get a PC anyways so that doesn't matter.

There are a lot of people who would rather use a Mac, but settle for a Windows PC because it's cheaper.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: zerocool84
If someone considers not getting OSX a spec letdown then they're not even going to get a PC anyways so that doesn't matter.

There are a lot of people who would rather use a Mac, but settle for a Windows PC because it's cheaper.

EXACTLY and that's what the commercials are about

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: zerocool84
If someone considers not getting OSX a spec letdown then they're not even going to get a PC anyways so that doesn't matter.

There are a lot of people who would rather use a Mac, but settle for a Windows PC because it's cheaper.

EXACTLY and that's what the commercials are about

Yeah, I know... which is why your previous post makes no sense.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: zerocool84
If someone considers not getting OSX a spec letdown then they're not even going to get a PC anyways so that doesn't matter.

There are a lot of people who would rather use a Mac, but settle for a Windows PC because it's cheaper.

EXACTLY and that's what the commercials are about

Yeah, I know... which is why your previous post makes no sense.

You said that Mac users are willing to pay extra for OSX so then these commercials don't even matter to them. So either they're willing to pay extra or they're not.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
The point is, you cannot get any of those things at these budgets. Basically all you are proving is that Macs are a premium product and thus you pay a premium price. That is the entire point of these commercials. They are saying for what most people want/need and what their budgets are, you can get Windows PCs that fit.

That isn't the point. Macs are a regular or average quality product that is sold for a premium price. That is the point.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
The point is, you cannot get any of those things at these budgets. Basically all you are proving is that Macs are a premium product and thus you pay a premium price. That is the entire point of these commercials. They are saying for what most people want/need and what their budgets are, you can get Windows PCs that fit.

That isn't the point. Macs are a regular or average quality product that is sold for a premium price. That is the point.

It's a regular/average product in terms of hardware, sold with a Linux interface customized for ease of use.

 

[ballmode]

I hate Apple

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

The point is, you cannot get any of those things at these budgets. Basically all you are proving is that Macs are a premium product and thus you pay a premium price. That is the entire point of these commercials. They are saying for what most people want/need and what their budgets are, you can get Windows PCs that fit.

i'm not the one claiming that a creaky rattletrap plastic hunk of crap is the same spec as a metal bodied properly put together computer, mac or pc.

Originally posted by: zerocool84

When you're in a budget you go for the most specs you can afford which is what the commercials are conveying. Even if you spend $2000 on a PC laptop you're still going to get more computer for the money. No one can argue that.

uh, this guy just did:

Originally posted by: cronos

I don't know about the 15", but for the 13" it is definitely not like that. I actually tried to spec the 13" from both Dell (XPS Studio) and the new Macbook Pro last month, they ended up about exactly the same price. With $100 student discount and free iPod Touch + printer for the Mac, it's a no contest for me.

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Also you're saying not getting OSX is a spec letdown???

it's something the mac can easily do and generally is more difficult on a pc notebook. and it's a nice operating system, despite the irrational hatred that some people seem to have for it.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

The point is, you cannot get any of those things at these budgets. Basically all you are proving is that Macs are a premium product and thus you pay a premium price. That is the entire point of these commercials. They are saying for what most people want/need and what their budgets are, you can get Windows PCs that fit.

i'm not the one claiming that a creaky rattletrap plastic hunk of crap is the same spec as a metal bodied properly put together computer, mac or pc.

Originally posted by: zerocool84

When you're in a budget you go for the most specs you can afford which is what the commercials are conveying. Even if you spend $2000 on a PC laptop you're still going to get more computer for the money. No one can argue that.

uh, this guy just did:

Originally posted by: cronos

I don't know about the 15", but for the 13" it is definitely not like that. I actually tried to spec the 13" from both Dell (XPS Studio) and the new Macbook Pro last month, they ended up about exactly the same price. With $100 student discount and free iPod Touch + printer for the Mac, it's a no contest for me.

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Also you're saying not getting OSX is a spec letdown???

it's something the mac can easily do and generally is more difficult on a pc notebook. and it's a nice operating system, despite the irrational hatred that some people seem to have for it.

Dell XPS Studio are the highest end Dells and for the same price that he was looking at you still get better specs on the Dell so you still get more computer for the money. He said he chose the Mac cus he got a student discount + free iPod Touch/printer.

If you really like OSX then you're going to get a Mac. No reason to even look at a PC. Like others have said people are willing to pay more to get the OS and there's nothing wrong with that but you can't call it a feature cus to some/many people they could care less about the OS. They just see bigger screen, faster processor, bigger harddrive, etc.

 

[Synomenon]

Dell gives student discounts too and there are always stackable coupons floating around.

 

[VinylxScratches]

How many more commercials is Microsoft gonna run like this? They should get a new marketing department.

 

[Synomenon]

As long as the commercials are working (and they seem to be working) they should keep making them.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: VinylxScratches
How many more commercials is Microsoft gonna run like this? They should get a new marketing department.

Why when it works? Apple has been running the same ad campain for 3 years. A couple months isn't that long and they're working well. No reason to end it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Ns1
ever try the new itunes visualizations on SHROOMS!?

itunes visualizations + pink floyd 'set the controls for the heart of the sun' + big screen = mind explosion

That is pretty awesome looking.

Am trying it with Zep now.

Maybe I'll try some Strawberry Fields next.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: Ns1
I never had one of those on my laptops. It was either move the pointer over to the scroll up/down or arrow keys

Seriously?

I have a 5 year old laptop (given to my sister), 4 year old laptop, and .5 year old laptop ALL that have scroll up/down as the right part of the touchpad and 2 have scroll left/right as the bottom part of the laptop.

I thought it was cool that HP laptop had scroll left/right as the bottom part 5 years ago, but now basically EVERY laptop has it. HP laptops used to even have it marked on the touchpad, but now they don't even bother because it's so common. My new Dell you can choose whether or not to have it activated, and what sensitivity for each direction.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
The point is, you cannot get any of those things at these budgets. Basically all you are proving is that Macs are a premium product and thus you pay a premium price. That is the entire point of these commercials. They are saying for what most people want/need and what their budgets are, you can get Windows PCs that fit.

That isn't the point. Macs are a regular or average quality product that is sold for a premium price. That is the point.

It's a regular/average product in terms of hardware, sold with a Linux interface customized for ease of use.

I'm not sure how its just average in hardware. Specs wise, obviously PCs are better value, but you'd be hard pressed to find PCs with comparable build/ergonomics quality at anything but a higher price than the Apples. And yes, there have been plenty of quality issues with Apple's, but they're also scrutinized more.

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

The point is, you cannot get any of those things at these budgets. Basically all you are proving is that Macs are a premium product and thus you pay a premium price. That is the entire point of these commercials. They are saying for what most people want/need and what their budgets are, you can get Windows PCs that fit.

i'm not the one claiming that a creaky rattletrap plastic hunk of crap is the same spec as a metal bodied properly put together computer, mac or pc.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was reinforcing your point.

 

[spikespiegal]

Personally I find Microsoft's latest commercials to be a bit sterile and tepid. However, they do make a subtle point. The only PC vs Mac commercial I liked from Apple was when the guy in drag showed up representing editing a video on a Windows PC. Now that was smart....and fairly accurate.

I don't think anything is funnier though than the Onion taking a poke at Apple users with their MacBook Wheel parody. If you haven't seen it and like to mock apple users, google it and laugh your butt off.

After over a decade doing corporate support a few conclusions:

- *All* Laptops suck, are time vampires in terms of support, are about two generations behind budget desktops in terms of performance (if not more), and have multiple orders of magnitude more hardware problems than desktops. The degree to which portable computer are being treated as disposable technology causing recycling problems makes we want to brain some of you guys with a hammer. 90% of the time you claim to need a laptop you usually dont, so, screw the entire pop culture propoganda in the first place. Get you stupid kid a cheap desktop and a decent phone. Record the professor's lecture with voice rather than pretend your aren't editing your facebook account in class.

- Several school districts I worked for tried migrating to Intel based Macbooks as an experiment only to find they were marginally less durable than IBM road warriors. We actually preferred supporting OSX and the clients liked it, but the high failure rates of the Apple products killed the deal. Apple portables tend to be like Replicants from Blade Runner with a built in termination date. PC portables just annoy you to death.

- The Xeon based Mac Pro makes the above mentioned Microsoft commercials look irrelevant in terms of price comparisons and show just how ignorant Apple uers are. At one point you could buy four Quad Core Duo computers from Dell for the price of a single Quad Core Xeon Mac Pro - and the Dells were actually a tad faster. Intel can't give away Xeon based desktops on the Windows side, but with some slick marketing and a cool case from Apple - shazam!

Then again I thought y'all said the G5 was the ultimate Apple architecture, so it was amazing watching you guys dive onto Intel hardware in droves. But remember.....Intel based Apples aren't PCs.....(LMFAO)

Proof that Microsoft can actually make a cool commercial was the infamous Xbox Ad that has rarely been seen on TV.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
That is a crappy analogy, the Kia and the BMW don't have the same specs. The PC argument is that you can get better specs for less $$. It would be more like a 20k BMW vs a 40k BMW with a custom paint job or some other marginal difference.

Originally posted by: waggy
ok thats just fucking stupid.

Show me a Kia that has better specs then any BMW. try compareing something that actually fits. not something you try to make fit.

Ok... let me try to explain this to you.

Red head Lauren picked out a HP lap top that does not even come close to a MacPro when it comes to specs. That is my point.

The only place where the two compare is screen size, but even there the HP has inferior screen resolution.

On every other spec the Mac is a much better computer.

Read some of the reviews for the HP laptop Lauren picked. Everyone of them says it is slow and that the screen resolution is poor.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
That is a crappy analogy, the Kia and the BMW don't have the same specs. The PC argument is that you can get better specs for less $$. It would be more like a 20k BMW vs a 40k BMW with a custom paint job or some other marginal difference.

Originally posted by: waggy
ok thats just fucking stupid.

Show me a Kia that has better specs then any BMW. try compareing something that actually fits. not something you try to make fit.

Ok... let me try to explain this to you.

Red head Lauren picked out a HP lap top that does not even come close to a MacPro when it comes to specs. That is my point.

The only place where the two compare is screen size, but even there the HP has inferior screen resolution.

On every other spec the Mac is a much better computer.

Read some of the reviews for the HP laptop Lauren picked. Everyone of them says it is slow and that the screen resolution is poor.

Because the macpro was OUT OF HER BUDGET YOU STUPID FUCK HOLY SHIT WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU RETARDED?

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ok... let me try to explain this to you.

Red head Lauren picked out a HP lap top that does not even come close to a MacPro when it comes to specs. That is my point.

The only place where the two compare is screen size, but even there the HP has inferior screen resolution.

On every other spec the Mac is a much better computer.

Read some of the reviews for the HP laptop Lauren picked. Everyone of them says it is slow and that the screen resolution is poor.

And she could have bought a MacBook Pro for that price?

I can say that a 335i's performance's is inferior to a Ferrari's, but what does that prove in terms of what car someone with 50,000 should buy?