Appeals court panels issue split decision on Obamacare

[First]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/u...ws&contentID=breakingnews3866&pgtype=Homepage

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/obamacare-subsidies-dc-appeals-court-ruling-109223.html?hp=t1

Wild day for Obamacare: Appeals court rulings conflict

Two U.S. appeals courts issued contradictory rulings on Obamacare subsidies Tuesday. One upheld them in a victory for the White House. The other dealt a blow to the president’s health law by striking them down for millions of Americans covered through HealthCare.gov.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit unanimously struck down a challenge to Obamacare subsidies, ruling unanimously that the people can get insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act through exchanges being run by either states or the federal government.

lol GOP

 

[dank69]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/u...ws&contentID=breakingnews3866&pgtype=Homepage

Well that didn't take long.

 

[emperus]

Well that didn't take long.

Hmm.. I believe the other ruling still needs to be reviewed by the full panel.

 

[Thebobo]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/u...ws&contentID=breakingnews3866&pgtype=Homepage

haha that's funny suspect a few more.

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[dank69]

haha that's funny suspect a few more.

I love the picture with the guy crying about how his business won't be profitable if he has to pay for health insurance for his employees. Tough shit, you don't have a successful business model then. I'm sure a lot of people could create more successful businesses if we just allowed slave labor again.

 

[boomerang]

The law as written by Democrats and voted into the law of the land by Democrats will be enforced as written. America - fuck yea!

But...it won't be enforced because dear leader has a pen and a phone. All hail King Obama! He don't need no stinkin' courts.

 

[glenn1]

Not a problem here in CA since we got our own exchange. Teabaggers, enjoy paying for us while getting no subsidies yourself, courtesy of your state governement, though

I'm glad you got to dispense your goodies, and happy you can remain blissfully unaware and uncaring of who pays for them just as long as they keep coming.

 

[Atreus21]

This was originally thought to be a longshot, but now the appeals court has ruled against the fed government in this case and it gets interesting. This ruling will obviously be appealed, to a full bank of the appeals court and eventually to the scotus. If the rulling is allowed to stand (and that's a big "if"), it would blow major holes in obummercare.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/07/22/obama-health-care-court-ruling/12482127/

Seems like a logical ruling. It doesn't really make sense that all the poeple in the states that didn't set up exchanges can't get the subsidies, but the court is not there to write the law, it is there to interpret the law as written and determine constitutionality.

Ugh. Aaaaaand BACK to the SCOTUS we go, where we can await the news of whether Kennedy sees his shadow or not.

 

[First]

I'm glad you got to dispense your goodies, and happy you can remain blissfully unaware and uncaring of who pays for them just as long as they keep coming.

Everyone pays them the same way way everyone pays SS and Medicare, except those are far more onerous direct taxes on taxpayers. Which ACA tax is onerous exactly?

 

[glenn1]

Everyone pays them the same way way everyone pays SS and Medicare, except those are far more onerous direct taxes on taxpayers. Which ACA tax is onerous exactly?

Everyone has similar withholdings taken for Social Security and similar payouts based on contributions. ACA and its features such as community rating, lack of medical underwriting, and certain higher cost groups being directly subsidized by others (women, elderly, etc.) Almost every feature of Obamacare ensures that someone is disadvantaged vs. others and sometimes in multiple ways. If you're young, male, with no pre-existing conditions, and maintain good health practices then you're getting fucked by Obamacare.

 

[VRAMdemon]

If Republicans want to compile a list of all the problems of the ACA and a list of changes to fix those problems, lots of those things could be implemented.

Except the only list the Republicans can seem to come up with is: "Everything". Since root and branch repeal of the ACA isn't possible unless the Republicans can get a veto-proof majority in the Senate, then the ACA continues as written.

No sense in fixing the problems, since fixing the problems will make it work better, which is worse, because without the problems no one will want to repeal it.

 

[xBiffx]

If Republicans want to compile a list of all the problems of the ACA and a list of changes to fix those problems, lots of those things could be implemented.

Except the only list the Republicans can seem to come up with is: "Everything". Since root and branch repeal of the ACA isn't possible unless the Republicans can get a veto-proof majority in the Senate, then the ACA continues as written.

No sense in fixing the problems, since fixing the problems will make it work better, which is worse, because without the problems no one will want to repeal it.

Why is it up to Republicans to fix a Democrat nightmare? Why wouldn't the onus be right back on Democrats?

And we've seen how the President goes about "fixing" parts of the law that he doesn't like or wants changed. So again, why would Republicans want to be involved in the clusterfuck known as the ACA or "fixing" it. Seems repeal and replace wouldn't require donning a hazmat suit and jumping into a shit storm. So I'm not surprised the answer is "everything" from Republicans.

 

[Jhhnn]

The only reason that every state doesn't have an exchange & the medicaid extension is that the SCOTUS changed to law to allow it to be that way.

Anybody who thinks that they will now strike down subsidies for people who receive them through the federal exchange created as a result of that ruling has shit fer brains & a little chunk of right wing delusionist red meat to chew on for awhile.

 

[glenn1]

If Republicans want to compile a list of all the problems of the ACA and a list of changes to fix those problems, lots of those things could be implemented.

Republicans and Democrats don't even agree on what the problem is, much less the solution. The left's issue is how "unfair" it is people with pre-existing conditions pay premiums which reflect the amount of benefits they'll receive, so much they passed a law to take money out of my pocket to give to them. The right thinks the issue is about "free" birth control for women, "death panels," and other trivial bullshit which doesn't amount to anything. And in the meanwhile our health "insurance" system creaks on under a framework of indirect tax subsidies to employers, incompetent government IT systems engineers, and a President who doesn't seem to give a fuck so long he gets goodies to hand out to his eager followers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why is it up to Republicans to fix a Democrat nightmare? Why wouldn't the onus be right back on Democrats?

And we've seen how the President goes about "fixing" parts of the law that he doesn't like or wants changed. So again, why would Republicans want to be involved in the clusterfuck known as the ACA or "fixing" it. Seems repeal and replace wouldn't require donning a hazmat suit and jumping into a shit storm. So I'm not surprised the answer is "everything" from Republicans.

Its ALL our leaders jobs to craft legislation and guide policy that fits society. Someone who chooses not to participate is not doing their job.

 

[First]

Everyone has similar withholdings taken for Social Security and similar payouts based on contributions. ACA and its features such as community rating, lack of medical underwriting, and certain higher cost groups being directly subsidized by others (women, elderly, etc.) Almost every feature of Obamacare ensures that someone is disadvantaged vs. others and sometimes in multiple ways. If you're young, male, with no pre-existing conditions, and maintain good health practices then you're getting fucked by Obamacare.

You're not very well informed. SS is a tax on younger Americans that those younger Americans by definition will not see until retirement. Same with Medicare. Nothing in ACA is different from SS and Medicare from the perspective of redistributing federal funds to groups of people (young to old). In fact, ACA is far less a burden to taxpayers than SS or Medicare, as evidenced by your complete silence on the existence of an ACA tax in payrolls (or elsewhere). The very rich do pay a little ACA tax AFAIK, and medical devices are supposed to be taxed. That ain't shit compared to payroll taxes from SS and Medicare. Not even the same galaxy.

So, again, your outrage on ACA subsides is weird, and transparent.

 

[Oldgamer]

This thread makes me laugh, first they get a ruling in the repubs favor, then another court rules in the obama care favor.. oops.. oh wells. Guess it will go to the SC.

 

[hal2kilo]

haha that's funny suspect a few more.

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Love that pic.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep, shot one foot by not expanding Medicaid to their poor, shot another by cutting their own working constituents from help to buy insurance. Quite a record of accomplishment for the red state governors

It's Freedumb! with extra spite & stupidity.

 

[Jhhnn]

This thread makes me laugh, first they get a ruling in the repubs favor, then another court rules in the obama care favor.. oops.. oh wells. Guess it will go to the SC.

Most likely the full panel of the DC court will reverse the 3 judge panel, rule in favor along with the Virginia court. When it gets to the SCOTUS, They'll just let the favorable rulings stand.

Buh-bye little hater failboat. Buh-bye!

 

[Jhhnn]

haha that's funny suspect a few more.

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Ted is sooo hot in that pic.

It's a good thing, too, because otherwise he's the only other big name Texas Repub dumber than Rick Perry.

 

[boomerang]

Why is it up to Republicans to fix a Democrat nightmare? Why wouldn't the onus be right back on Democrats?

And we've seen how the President goes about "fixing" parts of the law that he doesn't like or wants changed. So again, why would Republicans want to be involved in the clusterfuck known as the ACA or "fixing" it. Seems repeal and replace wouldn't require donning a hazmat suit and jumping into a shit storm. So I'm not surprised the answer is "everything" from Republicans.

Harry Reid deep sixes virtually everything that crosses his path and the only "reform" is going to come out of the Oval Office. It's a no win for Republicans. Try to change it and be demonized for it. Don't try to change it and be demonized for it. Regardless, unless it has Obama's seal of approval, Reid is not going to open the gates of the Senate. And certainly not until after the mid-term election.

 

[Oldgamer]

Here is the thing, we have millions and millions of Americans finally getting health affordable health insurance. Even Mitch McConnell in his own state it is working out really well for his own constituents with the ACA. If they keep pushing this and this ends up killing the subsidies and crumbles the ACA the Republicans will have to answer to those millions and millions of Americans who suddenly won't be able to afford the health care they have been receiving and who are stripped of those subsidies. Do any of you think that would be a good political maneuver for them? They are going to have to come face to face with their political ideologies and political reality at some point.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, because people losing subsidies due to Democratic incompetence reflects poorly on the GOP

you mean because the Republican governors of poor, government teat-sucking states chose not to enact the exchanges in the first place, as a false show of solidarity against president black--er socialist commie president hussein terrorist Obama?

yeah, GL with that. The only people that believe this is due to Democrat action are those willing to accept infinite amounts of smoke up their poop chutes.

 

[Jhhnn]

They are going to have to come face to face with their political ideologies and political reality at some point.

Huh-uhh!

Birth Certificate! Fast & furious! Benghazi! IRS! Sharia Law! Invasion! Iz-roy-el! Ukraine! Jerb Creators! Gun Grabbers!

They're redefining bread & circuses- no bread for you, chumps!