apoppin re-evaluates nvidia [Formerly nm] ... back to x1950p

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin


i gotta tell you it is kinda *weird* for me to be talking so positively about a nvidia card

WORD....!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin


i gotta tell you it is kinda *weird* for me to be talking so positively about a nvidia card

WORD....!

some of you guys ... no ... most of you

must find this 'sudden conversion' rather *strange* ... also

events conspired
:Q

:light:

damn Sapphire ... damn it to hell :evil:



EDIT ... i am NOT sure i like this emoticon at all > :light:
--lt reminds me of a fat chick struggling into a girdle
:shocked:

:laugh:

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin


i gotta tell you it is kinda *weird* for me to be talking so positively about a nvidia card

WORD....!

some of you guys ... no ... most of you

must find this 'sudden conversion' rather *strange* ... also

events conspired
:Q

:light:

damn Sapphire ... damn it to hell :evil:



EDIT ... i am NOT sure i like this emoticon at all > :light:
--lt reminds me of a fat chick struggling into a girdle
:shocked:

:laugh:

Sapphire support was good for my old 9600 (non Pro, non XT) but I don't think i'll be purchasing any of their products when I purchase R600, PowerColor for me again.

I think people are going to be more confused about your vocal support for nVidia now, lol.

Many people dismissed the 7800GS as not worth the money, good to see them being proved wrong. X1950 Pro may be faster but I think for AGP the 7800GS & X1950's will be the last of the "high end" cards.

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Many people dismissed the 7800GS as not worth the money, good to see them being proved wrong. X1950 Pro may be faster but I think for AGP the 7800GS & X1950's will be the last of the "high end" cards.

It was rightly dismissed and they are not proved wrong but rather the price has finally plummeted to a reasonable level (although requiring a rebate to do it). While the 7800GS is/was Nvidia's last "high end" AGP card, they bested it with the mid-range 7600GT and may supplant that with a compatible 8600 variant.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Auric

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Many people dismissed the 7800GS as not worth the money, good to see them being proved wrong. X1950 Pro may be faster but I think for AGP the 7800GS & X1950's will be the last of the "high end" cards.

It was rightly dismissed and they are not proved wrong but rather the price has finally plummeted to a reasonable level (although requiring a rebate to do it). While the 7800GS is/was Nvidia's last "high end" AGP card, they bested it with the mid-range 7600GT and may supplant that with a compatible 8600 variant.

i dunno ... even for $210 - without rebate - it is a very good price ... that $50 just *sweetens* the deal dropping the price to $160 ... it might have been "dismissed" at nearly $400 ... but then at the time only the x850xt was its AGP 'competiton;

i'd much rather pay $160 after MIR for a 7800GS than $280 after RMA x1950p

... and it really wasn't *bested* by the AGP 7600gt and *who knows* about 8800 series in AGP ... i am upgrading to PCIe2 anyway, next year ... so 'i' don't care ... ANYthing "faster" in AGP [than a 7800GS or x1950p] is a *waste* in my rig

 

[zcubed]

hows the 7800gs treating u apoppin? im rather glad i left it. overclocking was a headache for me. i found that my perfect settings were 468/1400. i changed my gfx card as well. went to a HIS x1950pro AGP turbo ed. 256mb. i know the 256mb is technically a downgrade but 512mb isnt even properly utilized in current games and wont be for awhile. anyways my 3dmark scores only fell like 50 points for both 05 and 06. 03 actually went up. ALL games run perfectly now. COD2 and even B&W2:BOTG. the sapphire card sucked. im selling it. as u should too. but if i were u id just look into a better x1950pro rather than a 7800gs. trust me by selling that new x1950pro that ur getting back from RMA will make u back a decent $260. and then the HIS turbo ed i got costs 250 on newegg. ull only make a small loss but a big gain compared to the 7800gs. i dunno if the 256mb one just consumes less power or what but it runs flawlessly on my pc and quieter and best of all much cooler. theres also a 512mb HIS one but it costs 290 and im not rich lol. but seriously the game performance difference between a 7800gs and a x1950pro is big, at least big enough to make the difference between running all games on medium and all games maxed out.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: zcubed
hows the 7800gs treating u apoppin? im rather glad i left it. overclocking was a headache for me. i found that my perfect settings were 468/1400. i changed my gfx card as well. went to a HIS x1950pro AGP turbo ed. 256mb. i know the 256mb is technically a downgrade but 512mb isnt even properly utilized in current games and wont be for awhile. anyways my 3dmark scores only fell like 50 points for both 05 and 06. 03 actually went up. ALL games run perfectly now. COD2 and even B&W2:BOTG. the sapphire card sucked. im selling it. as u should too. but if i were u id just look into a better x1950pro rather than a 7800gs. trust me by selling that new x1950pro that ur getting back from RMA will make u back a decent $260. and then the HIS turbo ed i got costs 250 on newegg. ull only make a small loss but a big gain compared to the 7800gs. i dunno if the 256mb one just consumes less power or what but it runs flawlessly on my pc and quieter and best of all much cooler. theres also a 512mb HIS one but it costs 290 and im not rich lol. but seriously the game performance difference between a 7800gs and a x1950pro is big, at least big enough to make the difference between running all games on medium and all games maxed out.

it is *much more* than i expected

it is a powerful solution and an excellent match for my aging AGP rig

i just started to get into the nvidia CP ... amazing work and just leagues ahead of ATi's CCC ... there is so much you can do ... intuitively and easily

i haven't found *perfect settings* for my card ... it runs quite nicely at stock .. but o/c'ing really makes it shine ... with Fable ... everything *maxed* at 11x8 and with 4xAA/8xAF plus vsynch

i o/c'd from the stock OC to 450/1300 ... there is no discernable difference in fan noise between it and 'stock' ... maxed O/C brings on an annoying fan noise [like the x850xt]

and the Sapphire's extra 256MB vRAM *can* be utilized ... IF your CPU is powerful enough ... i know it edges out the GS in FEAR and Oblivion ...
--but not enough to make me wanna stick the Sapphire back into my case
:Q

 

[ArchAngel777]

My dad installed his 1950 AGP Saphire last night... Going to head over there sometime this weekend to see how it performs. It should be a good deal faster than my 7800GTX... I'll let you what I think of the card.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
My dad installed his 1950 AGP Saphire last night... Going to head over there sometime this weekend to see how it performs. It should be a good deal faster than my 7800GTX... I'll let you what I think of the card.

let me make SURE i put this in *perspective* ...

1> the x1950p is an excellent GPU

2> it's the Sapphire RMA process that is bad

--and IS the x1950p a good deal faster than the 7800GTX?


it is NOT a good deal faster than my 7800GS OC'd ... in my rig

i wish you and your dad the best of luck with your new cards

 

[zcubed]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: zcubed
hows the 7800gs treating u apoppin? im rather glad i left it. overclocking was a headache for me. i found that my perfect settings were 468/1400. i changed my gfx card as well. went to a HIS x1950pro AGP turbo ed. 256mb. i know the 256mb is technically a downgrade but 512mb isnt even properly utilized in current games and wont be for awhile. anyways my 3dmark scores only fell like 50 points for both 05 and 06. 03 actually went up. ALL games run perfectly now. COD2 and even B&W2:BOTG. the sapphire card sucked. im selling it. as u should too. but if i were u id just look into a better x1950pro rather than a 7800gs. trust me by selling that new x1950pro that ur getting back from RMA will make u back a decent $260. and then the HIS turbo ed i got costs 250 on newegg. ull only make a small loss but a big gain compared to the 7800gs. i dunno if the 256mb one just consumes less power or what but it runs flawlessly on my pc and quieter and best of all much cooler. theres also a 512mb HIS one but it costs 290 and im not rich lol. but seriously the game performance difference between a 7800gs and a x1950pro is big, at least big enough to make the difference between running all games on medium and all games maxed out.

it is *much more* than i expected

it is a powerful solution and an excellent match for my aging AGP rig

i just started to get into the nvidia CP ... amazing work and just leagues ahead of ATi's CCC ... there is so much you can do ... intuitively and easily

i haven't found *perfect settings* for my card ... it runs quite nicely at stock .. but o/c'ing really makes it shine ... with Fable ... everything *maxed* at 11x8 and with 4xAA/8xAF plus vsynch

i o/c'd from the stock OC to 450/1300 ... there is no discernable difference in fan noise between it and 'stock' ... maxed O/C brings on an annoying fan noise [like the x850xt]

and the Sapphire's extra 256MB vRAM *can* be utilized ... IF your CPU is powerful enough ... i know it edges out the GS in FEAR and Oblivion ...
--but not enough to make me wanna stick the Sapphire back into my case
:Q

agreed that no one should ever put a sapphire card in their machine(ill never do it again at least). but this HIS card really surprised me. the extra 256mb on the sapphire would have been useful to play at higher resolutions but i only play my games and keep my monitor at 1152x864. at that resolution the 512mb is useless. btw i dont use CCC i have the omega drivers with the control panel interface because personally i hate the CCC. ive always been more of a fan for nvidia since their drivers(until the current vista fiasco) have been far more stable than ATIs at least in my experience. but im glad i gave the x1950pro a try even if i failed the first try lol. itll definitely keep me set for new games coming out like Unreal Tournament 3 and Command and Conquer 3. i know i wont be able to max out on those games but i can get damn close.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
My dad installed his 1950 AGP Saphire last night... Going to head over there sometime this weekend to see how it performs. It should be a good deal faster than my 7800GTX... I'll let you what I think of the card.

let me make SURE i put this in *perspective* ...

1> the x1950p is an excellent GPU

2> it's the Sapphire RMA process that is bad

--and IS the x1950p a good deal faster than the 7800GTX?


it is NOT a good deal faster than my 7800GS OC'd ... in my rig

i wish you and your dad the best of luck with your new cards

It should be a great deal faster... I found this link of another user reporting 9500+/- in 3dMark05. Go here and scroll to the bottom. A user gives his option of the 1950 512 AGP Versus 7800GS. It should have a good 40-50% performance over the 7800GS in GPU limited situations.

Edit** Here is another link

 

[ArchAngel777]

So, after reading through the negative review of Saphire products here on the boards I called my dad to find out how his installation went.

He said
"You heard the news, right?"

"No, what?"

"I plugged in the card, turned on the computer and sparks flew everywhere"

*pause*... thinking to myself, damn, these guys were right about saphire.

"Are you serious? Really?"

"No, just kidding, it booted up fine. But now I am dealing with some Adobe Virus that somehow deleted my RUNDLL32.EXE from windows\system32"

So, yeah... LOL, he got me for a minute, that is for sure. Going to reinstall the OS for him tonight if he continues to have difficulties. He is getting shell32 and rundll errors all over the place. Cannot access control panel, IE or anything else... Fun stuff. Restore points don't work. Keeps talking to me about some Adobe Acrobat reader issue that caused this virus or something. (Not caused by the saphire, he had this before and has his 6800LE in there right now for the time being).

Anyway, I'll let you know how everything goes once I check it out this weekend. I will benchmark it to my system.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
My dad installed his 1950 AGP Saphire last night... Going to head over there sometime this weekend to see how it performs. It should be a good deal faster than my 7800GTX... I'll let you what I think of the card.

let me make SURE i put this in *perspective* ...

1> the x1950p is an excellent GPU

2> it's the Sapphire RMA process that is bad

--and IS the x1950p a good deal faster than the 7800GTX?


it is NOT a good deal faster than my 7800GS OC'd ... in my rig

i wish you and your dad the best of luck with your new cards

It should be a great deal faster... I found this link of another user reporting 9500+/- in 3dMark05. Go here and scroll to the bottom. A user gives his option of the 1950 512 AGP Versus 7800GS. It should have a good 40-50% performance over the 7800GS in GPU limited situations.

Edit** Here is another link

that is under *ideal circumstances* ... a CPU powerful enough to work with the x1950p

and you have to remember the 7800GS they test is 375/1200 .. the BFG OC is 400/1250 and i easily get 450/1300 and can get 500/1350 if i can stand the fan ...
otOh i could not o/c my Saphawhore at all.

FOR my Rig ... Sapphire 1950p got 7K in 3DMark and GS OC [my o/c] got 6500 ...
my CPU is only a P4 at 3.30Ghz ... kinda weak like a stock a64 3000-3200+

i say that last post of yours ... your dad has a good sense of humor

what is his PS like? and CPU

and PLEASE let us know how it goes
[i wish you well ... NO one should have to go thru a RMA like mine via Craphire RMA]

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
My dad installed his 1950 AGP Saphire last night... Going to head over there sometime this weekend to see how it performs. It should be a good deal faster than my 7800GTX... I'll let you what I think of the card.

let me make SURE i put this in *perspective* ...

1> the x1950p is an excellent GPU

2> it's the Sapphire RMA process that is bad

--and IS the x1950p a good deal faster than the 7800GTX?


it is NOT a good deal faster than my 7800GS OC'd ... in my rig

i wish you and your dad the best of luck with your new cards

It should be a great deal faster... I found this link of another user reporting 9500+/- in 3dMark05. Go here and scroll to the bottom. A user gives his option of the 1950 512 AGP Versus 7800GS. It should have a good 40-50% performance over the 7800GS in GPU limited situations.

Edit** Here is another link

Here's some fresh 3dmark05 scores for anybody interested.

BFG 7800GS OC 550/1350

Sapphire X1950Pro 512Mb AGP stock

 

[apoppin]

for *some reason* my x1950p score was artificially low ... my CPU is not slower than an A643000+
[or is it o/c'd to hi-heaven?]

 

[ArchAngel777]

His PC specs are similar to mine in a lot of ways. He has an Athlon 3500+ @ stock speed, 2GB of ram and his PS is 400W I think... But before anyone jumps down my throat, I am a little bit tired of people saying you need a 1100000+WATT PSU TO RUN IT!!! The way I see it is this, if his machine locks up running 3D games or what not, then I will know and can upgrade it then. If everything works, why upgrade the PS? :thumbsdown:

Anyway, that wasn't directed at you Apop, just against the potenials, you know... LOL

Going over there tonight actually... Gotta eat first. BTW, my dads old card was a 6800LE (the one you could unlock!). So he should see 4-5X performance that he currently does.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: apoppin



it is NOT a good deal faster than my 7800GS OC'd ... in my rig

There in lies most of your issues. Same thing has kept me from upgrading from an x1900gt. With a p2.4c at 3.0 - my gt was an improvement over an x800xtpe, but when I fried my cpu and went to an athlon 3700 - huge improvement noted. But think I would be cpu limited to upgrade anymore. Besides I am severely monitor limited with a p95f+. No need for me to upgrade until I spend big bucks or new games ever come.

 

[apoppin]

i feel more than a little *stupid* now



looking at my VisionTek 3DMark05 scores ... they were actually 7850 ... CPU o/c'd to 3.31Ghz ... stock on the 256MB VisionTek
... so my x1950p 512M would have been about 8K ... 6800GS abut 1500 points lower

in the "ballpark"

sorry


PS: as to the PS ... mine was exceeding the minimum Wattage but not meeting the recommended amperage on the 12v rail ... and it failed in a month

it didn't show any signs of artifacting or instability UNLESS i tried to o/c it [or keep my CPU o/c at 3.3] ... i actually backed down from 3.31 to 3.0Ghz which KILLED my 3DMark05 score ... now i know how i got confused]

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i feel more than a little *stupid* now



looking at my VisionTek 3DMark05 scores ... they were actually 7850 ... CPU o/c'd to 3.31Ghz ... stock on the 256MB VisionTek
... so my x1950p 512M would have been about 8K ... 6800GS abut 1500 points lower

in the "ballpark"

sorry


PS: as to the PS ... mine was exceeding the minimum Wattage but not meeting the recommended amperage on the 12v rail ... and it failed in a month

it didn't show any signs of artifacting or instability UNLESS i tried to o/c it [or keep my CPU o/c at 3.3] ... i actually backed down from 3.31 to 3.0Ghz which KILLED my 3DMark05 score ... now i know how i got confused]

Good to know... I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin
for *some reason* my x1950p score was artificially low ... my CPU is not slower than an A643000+[or is it o/c'd to hi-heaven?]

well actually it is...even at stock speed...I've had a chance to compare both my Northwood 3.06 and Prescott 3.0 to my A64 3000+ and the P4's do perform considerably worse, overclocking my A64 to 2.87ghz actually does very little in the way of increasing benchmark scores, usually it adds only 500 points to a 3Dmark score...

I believe the A64's better benchmark performance has something to do with the on die memory controller, that alone gives any A64 the edge over a P4...

 

[Nightmare225]

Glad to see you gave Nvidia a chance, apoppin. It seems to be treating you well...

 

[MemberSince97]

stumpys scores are right on ....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin
for *some reason* my x1950p score was artificially low ... my CPU is not slower than an A643000+[or is it o/c'd to hi-heaven?]

well actually it is...even at stock speed...I've had a chance to compare both my Northwood 3.06 and Prescott 3.0 to my A64 3000+ and the P4's do perform considerably worse, overclocking my A64 to 2.87ghz actually does very little in the way of increasing benchmark scores, usually it adds only 500 points to a 3Dmark score...

I believe the A64's better benchmark performance has something to do with the on die memory controller, that alone gives any A64 the edge over a P4...

not when the P4's FSB is increased so much .. i'd set my O/C'd 2.80c@3.31Ghz right next to your stock A643000+ and it would generally beat it - except for gaming where it would 'tie' or be very close

we went over and over this in GH and CPU forum when i bought it ... years ago ... a P4 is *slow* UNTIL it is O/C'd

i actually got 8,000 with 3DMark05 ... not as initially reported

===============

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Glad to see you gave Nvidia a chance, apoppin. It seems to be treating you well...

thanks

and...

*Nobody* believed me ... before ... after *challenging* Rollo, here, i got labeled an ATi fanboy ... and it just 'stuck'

i really ... badly ... *wanted* a 6800u ... i actually UPgraded my PS three years ago to my current one in preparation for it ... but its ATi competitor was just cheaper and faster

so i eventually got 6800u's 'upgrade' ... 7800GS
[come to think of it i also got 9800xt>x850xt's>upgrade x1950p ... i NEVER did this before ]

good things happen to those who wait

like me with Sapphire's RMA
:Q

ok, maybe not following that rule, this time ... but thumbs-up on my 7800GS

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin
for *some reason* my x1950p score was artificially low ... my CPU is not slower than an A643000+[or is it o/c'd to hi-heaven?]

well actually it is...even at stock speed...I've had a chance to compare both my Northwood 3.06 and Prescott 3.0 to my A64 3000+ and the P4's do perform considerably worse, overclocking my A64 to 2.87ghz actually does very little in the way of increasing benchmark scores, usually it adds only 500 points to a 3Dmark score...

I believe the A64's better benchmark performance has something to do with the on die memory controller, that alone gives any A64 the edge over a P4...

not when the P4's FSB is increased so much .. i'd set my O/C'd 2.80c@3.31Ghz right next to your stock A643000+ and it would generally beat it - except for gaming where it would 'tie' or be very close

we went over and over this in GH and CPU forum when i bought it ... years ago

i actually got 8,000 with 3DMark05 ... not as initially reported

Keep dreaming.....even my P4's at 3.4ghz barely match a 3000+ in benchmarks let alone anything else....sure Hyper Threading helps out the P4's when it comes to encoding and decoding stuff (Always a strong point of the P4), but anything else....the 3000+ is slightly faster...including benchmarks


that 3.31ghz is only what, a 237mhz FSB, which is 948mhz QDR...not even close to the A64 1600Mhz Hypertransport...sure my A64 has only a single channel memory control...but it's just that much faster than any P4's "chipset" based memory controller it makes no difference how much extra bandwidth the P4 has...

and before you claim I'm an AMD "Fanboy"...well I'm not, I just look at thing realistically...that's all....a P4 CANNOT match an A64....unless the A64 has been smashed with a sledgehammer first...

 

[apoppin]

try OC'ing your P4 to 3.8 Ghz and watch it eat stock A64 3500+ for breakfast
*stock* 3.4Ghz is *crippled* at 800Mhz FSB, dual channel, HT ... and will lose to a64 3200+ pretty consistently

heck, *my* 2.80c p4 @ 3.31Ghz will generally beat your stock 3.4Ghz P4

we *did* this to death in GH ... the *consensus* was that i am correct ... that's why i bought the damn thing ... for it's o/c'ability and we *compared* benchmarks with A64 rigs back then.

keep your dreams ... you can *have* them ... P4 is old news and dead architecture

i am not reliving it for anyone