Anyone use Debian or OpenSuse LEAP?

[igor_kavinski]

How about giving Regata a try?

Get to know the Regata OS operating system

With Regata OS, you'll have a new kind of computer for everything you need and love to do.

get.regataos.com.br

 

[Zepp]

Interesting

"Regata OS is a hybrid distribution that is based on both openSUSE Leap and Tumbleweed. It uses the stability of openSUSE Leap as its base but incorporates newer packages from Tumbleweed, such as the Linux kernel and Mesa drivers, to ensure better support for modern hardware and a more up-to-date desktop experience. "

 

[Indus]

Interesting

"Regata OS is a hybrid distribution that is based on both openSUSE Leap and Tumbleweed. It uses the stability of openSUSE Leap as its base but incorporates newer packages from Tumbleweed, such as the Linux kernel and Mesa drivers, to ensure better support for modern hardware and a more up-to-date desktop experience. "

That's what I'm trying to avoid..

I'm thinking stay with debian.. if the kernel and MESA drivers work once.. they work till the next update in 2 years.

BTW I've also read that the issue might be some drivers with 16GB 9060xt but it's not easy to roll them back in fedora.

Works just fine in windows 10 with adrenaline drivers.. I tested that.

And it's most noticeable in overwatch 2

 

[Indus]

Ok just read linux mint DE 7's release notes. It will be possible to upgrade to the stable release from beta eventually.. (I was waiting on that stable release being out).

Also I'm wondering if this time I should do manual partitioning and make a separate /home partition.. that would save me tons of time later on.

Thoughts from debian/ ubuntu users.. what do you think?

And ext4 or btrfs??

Edit: My original thoughts were wait for Fedora 43 and LMDE7 to both come out. Maybe fedora 43 has a fix and I can just keep that version of fedora till Fedora 44..

 

[Indus]

BTW @igor_kavinski @Zepp @lxskllr @WelshBloke

Do you all use a separate home partition?? So you don't have to reinstall stuff all over again besides the o/s??

And is it sometimes on another drive??

What do you prefer?? I got myself a 2TB NVME just for linux.. so I think I have plenty of space for that drive to hold a home partition.

Oh and for home.. btrfs???

 

[lxskllr]

BTW @igor_kavinski @Zepp @lxskllr @WelshBloke

Do you all use a separate home partition??

And is it sometimes on another drive??

What do you prefer?? I got myself a 2TB NVME just for linux.. so I think I have plenty of space for that drive to hold a home partition.

I did that years ago, but the utility of it is dubious, especially with fast computers and drives. I think the modern argument for is you can do a reinstall while maintaining your documents and settings. You can do that. or just back your shit up like you should be doing anyway, and copy what you need to a new install. The more extensively you partition, the more space gets wasted. I have no idea what I'll really need two years from now. With everything in a single partition, it can work itself out instead of running up against barriers I created.

 

[WelshBloke]

BTW @igor_kavinski @Zepp @lxskllr @WelshBloke

Do you all use a separate home partition?? So you don't have to reinstall stuff all over again besides the o/s??

And is it sometimes on another drive??

What do you prefer?? I got myself a 2TB NVME just for linux.. so I think I have plenty of space for that drive to hold a home partition.

Oh and for home.. btrfs???

So my partition scheme is pretty much defined by my hardware.
3 pools of storage; A 1tb nvme with my OS and home partition, a 2tb nvme with my VM folder plus a media folder, a 4tb raid0 pool made up of 4 1tb SSDs that just has my Steam directory on it.

I'm not too bothered about reinstalling and keeping my home folder, I'd rather just back up anything I want to keep and nuking everything else on that disk.
My internet is pretty slow so I tend to hoard Steam games as it's a PITA to have to redownload massive games just to try things out.

 

[igor_kavinski]

BTW @igor_kavinski @Zepp @lxskllr @WelshBloke

Do you all use a separate home partition?? So you don't have to reinstall stuff all over again besides the o/s??

Whenever I install, I just accept the defaults.

 

[WelshBloke]

Oh. Still using EXT4. I don't really need the extra things Btrfs brings and I think that EXT4 might be a tad snappier on the desktop?
I'm definitely tending to well tested and stable, if stuff breaks I want to know that it was me that broke it rather than it being an obscure bug!

 

[Indus]

@Zepp Welp it seems the problem isn't just me..

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/1k0g4x7/fedora_42_very_noticeable_performance_loss_for_no

And it's Fedora in particular.. notice he said he uses other distros that're ubuntu or debian based and they work fine but bazzite/ fedora and same problem happens.

@lxskllr have you ever tried LMDE (linux mint version of debian)? Did you like it.. did it seem superior to you or you're just using the vanilla debian and gnome??

I'm thinking I'll just bear with it till LMDE 7 comes out and make it work or go with vanilla debian and KDE.

 

[lxskllr]

@Zepp Welp it seems the problem isn't just me..

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/1k0g4x7/fedora_42_very_noticeable_performance_loss_for_no

And it's Fedora in particular.. notice he said he uses other distros that're ubuntu or debian based and they work fine but bazzite/ fedora and same problem happens.

@lxskllr have you ever tried LMDE (linux mint version of debian)? Did you like it.. did it seem superior to you or you're just using the vanilla debian and gnome??

I'm thinking I'll just bear with it till LMDE 7 comes out and make it work or go with vanilla debian and KDE.

I use vanilla debian. XFCE at home, and plasma at work. I don't like gnome 3+ at all. Loved gnome 2. I like debian cause their philosophy closely aligns with mine. It's also a very minimal presentation. There isn't much opinion on how to set it up. "Here's the base, here's your choice of packages. Have fun!" Derivatives otoh have a "vision". There's a way they think it should look and behave, and that's what they ship.

There isn't anything wrong with either approach. If you like a distro's "vision" , you're good to go. Install it and run. If you're changing lots of stuff, you might not have the exact distro you want, unless it ticks other important boxes for you. I'd expect vanilla debian to be virtually identical to LMDE aside from the default packages. If LMDE is working for you, I don't see any reason to switch.

 

[manly]

So my partition scheme is pretty much defined by my hardware.
3 pools of storage; A 1tb nvme with my OS and home partition, a 2tb nvme with my VM folder plus a media folder, a 4tb raid0 pool made up of 4 1tb SSDs that just has my Steam directory on it.

I'm not too bothered about reinstalling and keeping my home folder, I'd rather just back up anything I want to keep and nuking everything else on that disk.
My internet is pretty slow so I tend to hoard Steam games as it's a PITA to have to redownload massive games just to try things out.

RAID-0? Livin' on the edge?

 

[Indus]

Well I don't have to wait 2 weeks.. LMDE 7 is out today..

Download LMDE 7 - Linux Mint

Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.

linuxmint.com

So lots of formatting and redownloading today for me.

 

[WelshBloke]

RAID-0? Livin' on the edge?

Some of those SSDs are pretty old as well!
It's just a steam library though so if it craps out I can just redownload everything.

 

[Indus]

Hello everyone..

Back again here on Debian.

Just testing hello 1 2 3 can you read me okay??



Oh @lxskllr I did download LMDE and install it and when I installed KDE standard it was only KDE 5.2 which is ancient..

Then I went nah.. I'll just go with vanilla debian since it's more ahead and not a knock off.

 

[lxskllr]

Strange that plasma's so old. I thought they pulled from the debian repos aside from maybe cinnamon and other packages built in-house.

 

[Indus]

Strange that plasma's so old. I thought they pulled from the debian repos aside from maybe cinnamon and other packages built in-house.

I know mint works excellent on Cinnamon.

But I still prefer Plasma. That's my only reason for not using LMDE.. works wonderfully for the wife though.

 

[Indus]

Well my fps drops are fixed in debian.. from where I was getting 55 fps, I'm getting 180+ even with LACT and undervolting.

And it's nice not seeing updates everyday from MESA or other repos..

It's quite simple actually:



@lxskllr do you turn any more of those on for yourself or do you have any additional ones?

 

[lxskllr]

This is what I have on my home machine...

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stable-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware

In addition, I have megasync and i2p in sources.list.d

At work, add virtualbox to the above sources.

 

[DaaQ]

So my partition scheme is pretty much defined by my hardware.
3 pools of storage; A 1tb nvme with my OS and home partition, a 2tb nvme with my VM folder plus a media folder, a 4tb raid0 pool made up of 4 1tb SSDs that just has my Steam directory on it.

I'm not too bothered about reinstalling and keeping my home folder, I'd rather just back up anything I want to keep and nuking everything else on that disk.
My internet is pretty slow so I tend to hoard Steam games as it's a PITA to have to redownload massive games just to try things out.

So I am trying to do the same in a 4 disk array. Having issues. Advice welcome, 4x 128gb sata.

Also started having audio issues after trying to install mint 22.2? and LMDE 7 might be 22.1 IDR atm.

 

[Indus]

So I am trying to do the same in a 4 disk array. Having issues. Advice welcome, 4x 128gb sata.

Also started having audio issues after trying to install mint 22.2? and LMDE 7 might be 22.1 IDR atm.

That's why i stick to LMDE since it uses the LTS kernel and just works. I've had your problem before trying to upgrade to 20.3 and just tried LMDE and it worked. No issues since.

BTW if you have 4 128 gb SATA disks.. just give the linux its own drive.. so it installs its bootloader on its own drive. I have my wife's LMDE 7 on a 128 GB sandisk sata and it works fine. I gave her a 3 TB for storage and she stores her videos/ photos/ media there.

And @WelshBloke I got samba to work much simpler on debian just like you said.. set it up, didn't work.. so went into firewall and it was set to public by default. Changed it to home, made sure samba was checked on.. restarted firewall and it works. Fedora took me what 2 weeks to get it working?

 

[Zepp]

Hello everyone..

Back again here on Debian.

Just testing hello 1 2 3 can you read me okay??

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Oh @lxskllr I did download LMDE and install it and when I installed KDE standard it was only KDE 5.2 which is ancient..

Then I went nah.. I'll just go with vanilla debian since it's more ahead and not a knock off.

Nice, hope it works well for you. I just did the same transition, albeit through spiral linux.

hopefully I will ride this install out for the next 3-5 years

 

[Indus]

Nice, hope it works well for you. I just did the same transition, albeit through spiral linux.

hopefully I will ride this install out for the next 3-5 years

Yeah I'm liking it. Really good stability, not many updates and gaming fps works like it's supposed to. I can just turn down every driver upgrade from now on.

My only gripe is minor..

I went with the separate home partition. Then I resized it to create 200 mb for a backup ext 4 folder for timeshift to work.

It's working just fine but it's not looking pretty.. like I don't have them showing as /, /home and /backup LOL



I added mount points to the other drives but I'm not keen to mess up the linux drive.

But if someone knows how to use editor to change that.. please let me know!

And btw debian has a 2 year update cycle.. so they'll come out with debian 14 in 2 years or so. But yes you can of course extend it's use. Think you get 3 years worth of security updates.

 

[Zepp]

Yeah I'm liking it. Really good stability, not many updates and gaming fps works like it's supposed to. I can just turn down every driver upgrade from now on.


And btw debian has a 2 year update cycle.. so they'll come out with debian 14 in 2 years or so. But yes you can of course extend it's use. Think you get 3 years worth of security updates.

is it only 2 years? huh, I always thought it was much longer, like 5 years between releases. The support is longer at least.

I had a strange issue, I've never had with any distro I've tried. My internet was acting like I couldnt resolve DNS hosts. every page I would open would take several seconds of "looking up" before loading instantly.
Had to end up using chatgpt to guide me through using a network utility to set a cloudflare DNS server and now everything is running smooth.
Not sure how that problem came about. I have used spiral linux before without the issue.

 

[Indus]

is it only 2 years? huh, I always thought it was much longer, like 5 years between releases. The support is longer at least.

I had a strange issue, I've never had with any distro I've tried. My internet was acting like I couldnt resolve DNS hosts. every page I would open would take several seconds of "looking up" before loading instantly.
Had to end up using chatgpt to guide me through using a network utility to set a cloudflare DNS server and now everything is running smooth.
Not sure how that problem came about. I have used spiral linux before without the issue.

Sounds like a botched install.. sometimes it happens.

Even I had a linux mint botch up with upgrading and the system became unusable.

That's when I switched the wife over to LMDE and usually I'll wait a month or 2 to upgrade rather than doing it right off the bat.

Like I noticed my debian installer was 13.1 not 13.0 (so they obviously fixed something).

Next step for me is finding out how to upgrade from debian 13 to 14 over the next 2 years so when the time comes I can do it without a clean install and not formatting /home drive.

Must be a guide somewhere.