Yes I know he said he was going to 'get him', he didn't say "Hey I'm going to sucker punch you from behind, then force my body down on to yours while you fall and fracture your neck." Even Bertuzzi isn't stupid enough to hurt a guy that badly on purpose.
Yes I know he said he was going to 'get him', he didn't say "Hey I'm going to sucker punch you from behind, then force my body down on to yours while you fall and fracture your neck." Even Bertuzzi isn't stupid enough to hurt a guy that badly on purpose.
Another sad part is that you can see Bertuzzi still whacking at Moore's head even when Moore is on the ice (unless he is trying to cover him up to protect him....:shrug). I think he just lost it and need anger management or something. Speaking of which I have a classic clip of Stu Grimson (The Grim Reaper) losing his mind after a fight.
Yeah but if Bertuzzi knew that he had a fractured neck at that point do you think he still would have kept whacking at him...? I highly doubt it....as I said earlier...even Bertuzzi isn't that stupid.
Well obviously not. And I don't think Bertuzzi has a reputation as a cheap shot guy or anything like that. But my point it that even after Bertuzzi clocked him in the head and rode him to the ice that he was still trying to get more shots in on him. This shows that he was totally out of control and cannot keep his emotions/anger in check. I mean the guy was already on the ground, why try to smack him some more?
pyonir
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You're arguing semantics. How do you know that Bertuzzi didn't purposely snap his neck when all the other players were on top of them and you couldn't see Moore's head? How do you know Bertuzzi didn't study physiology for the week before this happened, knowing exactly how to drive Moore's head into the ice to break his neck?
All Semantics. You hit a guy from behind when he has no idea it is coming...fall on top of him as he is going to down and deliberately drive his head into the ice and along the ice as you slide; chances are you are going to injury him severly. I'm sure Bertuzzi had no intention of breaking his neck, but how could you NOT expect to hurt him severly when you look at everything else he did.
As others have stated here...if you punch a guy in the head...he falls and breaks his neck... YOu are criminal responsible for him breaking his neck. Just because you didn't *intend* to break his neck does not mean you aren't responsible for it.
Where do you live again?
Where ever it is you obviously have never been in a fight in your life, and have no clue the intent a person has when you sucker punch someone, you only intent to hurt from that point, PERIOD.
Have Brashear and Chara ever really gone at it? I want to see that matchup! Nobody can really beat Brashear.
Originally posted by: LAUST
nobody huh?
Well in hockey I personally haven't seen Brashear really lose a fight. Maybe there have been draws. Maybe I haven't seen any where he lost. So if he was whooped by someone who was it?
Laraque is good, but Brashear is better. He has more experience fighting outside the rink.
I agree they are in the top, I'd say Cairns (from NYI) and Johnson (from Min) as well as Parker (now with SJ?) rounding out the top 5.
Ya Cairns is good! I noticed nobody mentioned Domi. I think he's overrated now. He was good back in the day, but now he doesn't measure up.
murphy55d
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Back to the Bertuzzi hit... here's a number of opinions from various sports columnists around the US and Canada:
One of these days, the National Hockey League will finally get it. That will be the day one of its goons kills another player on the ice. Don't think it can't happen. It almost did Monday night in Vancouver. - Tim Dahlberg, The Associated Press
The NHL clearly is guilty of full idiocy. Somebody should knock sense into the heads of the league and the teams and the players association. An exchange of punches between two players is silly, macho one-upmanship. Blindsiding and cold-cocking an opponent, then slamming his head into concrete-like ice is a premeditated violent attack with intent to maim. No wonder the NHL is continuing to slip from a bad fourth in major-league sports popularity and racing toward disappearance next season. It's a league without a clue. - Woody Paige, Denver Post
There is no room in hockey for what took place at GM Place Monday night. No room at all. Now, it's up to the NHL to determine what will happen to someone who could do such a thing. - Gary Mason, Vancouver Sun
The NHL has, of course, suspended Bertuzzi and it will be widely debated as to the length and severity - but the debaters, unfortunately, will miss the essential point. It's not the player that required severe corrective measures - it's the game. - Roy MacGregor, The Globe and Mail
There was premeditation. There was intent to injure. There was extreme violence. For this, Bertuzzi should forfeit his right to participate in the NHL. He should be banned for the rest of this season, including the playoffs, and if someone wants to make an argument for a permanent ban, I'd sure be willing to listen. - Damien Cox, Toronto Star
Bertuzzi has made his bed and he must lie in it. But the NHL must share at least some of the blame. Alone among professional sports leagues, the NHL not only allows but, by its inaction, fosters a vigorous system of vigilante justice that may have worked in another generation but is totally out of date in 2004. One guy is in the hospital nursing a serious injury. The other is now in the fight of his life for his livelihood and his good name. His team is left in the lurch. And you know what? Hockey should count its lucky stars it wasn't worse. - Ken Fidlin, Toronto Sun
Most mystifying of all about Bertuzzi's actions, however, is why a skilled player, albeit a very large one, felt he had to personally dispense frontier justice, at what may turn out to be enormous cost - not merely playoff wins but millions of dollars in revenues - to this team. Heavy work is best left to heavies. Not only are they better at it, they are less costly to lose. - Cam Cole, National Post
In the long term, whatever those forces of authority do, it won't change a thing. A business that still thinks it needs fighting as a marketing tool, that allows threats to be carried out and that all but encourages vendettas isn't about to clean itself up. There are bigger fish to fry right now - like winning a salary cap from the players, at all costs. In the short term, Bertuzzi ought to be suspended for the rest of this season and the playoffs. And he ought to be charged. - Stephen Brunt, The Globe and Mail
Bertuzzi is no dainty tulip, nor is Moore, never mind his Harvard pedigree. They both have volunteered to make a living from an ability and an eagerness to dish out punishment. The NHL should ban Bertuzzi for life, or for the length of Moore's life, anyhow, though, most likely, it will be just for the season. It will be a gesture as hollow as it is transparent. - Bernie Lincicome, Rocky Mountain News
Hockey is a violent sport. That's one of the reasons we love it. But within the organized chaos of high sticks and slashes and hockey fights, there are rules, there are boundaries, there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. Todd Bertuzzi crossed one of those lines Monday night, and he should not play another game this season because of it. - Mike Heika, Dallas Morning News,
The NHL should suspend Todd Bertuzzi for the rest of the regular season - at least. If it hurts Vancouver's Stanley Cup chances, so be it. Bertuzzi deserves to be punished severely. The league must make a statement. - Nicholas J. Cotsonika, Detroit Free Press
Bertuzzi's attack was not a spur-of-the-moment, heat-of-combat lapse in judgment. Rather, he stalked Moore like a thug working a dark alley. Though he outweighs Moore by about 60 pounds, he slipped up behind Moore and punched him with his gloved hand. What a coward! And as the dazed Moore fell helplessly toward the ice, Bertuzzi jumped on him and smashed his face into he ice. He could have killed the guy. - Jeff Gordon, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Bertuzzi's cheap-shot sucker punch from behind on Colorado's Steve Moore on Monday night in Vancouver, and then his driving of Moore's head into the ice, was despicable and indefensible. Bertuzzi should be suspended for a year. A full year. It's sickening, and that was the case even before the news broke Tuesday morning that Moore had suffered fractured vertebrae. He has the use of his limbs, and there will be no paralysis, but that doesn't lessen the shock - or the disgrace. - Terry Frei, ESPN.com
It would be apt to say that Todd Bertuzzi's vicious attack on Steve Moore gave hockey a black eye, if the face of the sport didn't already sport a shiner, a misshapen nose and a perpetual bully-boy sneer. Despicable and cowardly as Bertuzzi's sucker punch was, it's really just one extreme incident in a continuum of needless violence that is as much a part of the game as the speed and skill such episodes too often obscure. - John MacKinnon, Edmonton Journal
One of these days, the National Hockey League will finally get it. That will be the day one of its goons kills another player on the ice. Don't think it can't happen. It almost did Monday night in Vancouver. - Tim Dahlberg, The Associated Press
The NHL clearly is guilty of full idiocy. Somebody should knock sense into the heads of the league and the teams and the players association. An exchange of punches between two players is silly, macho one-upmanship. Blindsiding and cold-cocking an opponent, then slamming his head into concrete-like ice is a premeditated violent attack with intent to maim. No wonder the NHL is continuing to slip from a bad fourth in major-league sports popularity and racing toward disappearance next season. It's a league without a clue. - Woody Paige, Denver Post
There is no room in hockey for what took place at GM Place Monday night. No room at all. Now, it's up to the NHL to determine what will happen to someone who could do such a thing. - Gary Mason, Vancouver Sun
The NHL has, of course, suspended Bertuzzi and it will be widely debated as to the length and severity - but the debaters, unfortunately, will miss the essential point. It's not the player that required severe corrective measures - it's the game. - Roy MacGregor, The Globe and Mail
There was premeditation. There was intent to injure. There was extreme violence. For this, Bertuzzi should forfeit his right to participate in the NHL. He should be banned for the rest of this season, including the playoffs, and if someone wants to make an argument for a permanent ban, I'd sure be willing to listen. - Damien Cox, Toronto Star
Bertuzzi has made his bed and he must lie in it. But the NHL must share at least some of the blame. Alone among professional sports leagues, the NHL not only allows but, by its inaction, fosters a vigorous system of vigilante justice that may have worked in another generation but is totally out of date in 2004. One guy is in the hospital nursing a serious injury. The other is now in the fight of his life for his livelihood and his good name. His team is left in the lurch. And you know what? Hockey should count its lucky stars it wasn't worse. - Ken Fidlin, Toronto Sun
Most mystifying of all about Bertuzzi's actions, however, is why a skilled player, albeit a very large one, felt he had to personally dispense frontier justice, at what may turn out to be enormous cost - not merely playoff wins but millions of dollars in revenues - to this team. Heavy work is best left to heavies. Not only are they better at it, they are less costly to lose. - Cam Cole, National Post
In the long term, whatever those forces of authority do, it won't change a thing. A business that still thinks it needs fighting as a marketing tool, that allows threats to be carried out and that all but encourages vendettas isn't about to clean itself up. There are bigger fish to fry right now - like winning a salary cap from the players, at all costs. In the short term, Bertuzzi ought to be suspended for the rest of this season and the playoffs. And he ought to be charged. - Stephen Brunt, The Globe and Mail
Bertuzzi is no dainty tulip, nor is Moore, never mind his Harvard pedigree. They both have volunteered to make a living from an ability and an eagerness to dish out punishment. The NHL should ban Bertuzzi for life, or for the length of Moore's life, anyhow, though, most likely, it will be just for the season. It will be a gesture as hollow as it is transparent. - Bernie Lincicome, Rocky Mountain News
Hockey is a violent sport. That's one of the reasons we love it. But within the organized chaos of high sticks and slashes and hockey fights, there are rules, there are boundaries, there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. Todd Bertuzzi crossed one of those lines Monday night, and he should not play another game this season because of it. - Mike Heika, Dallas Morning News,
The NHL should suspend Todd Bertuzzi for the rest of the regular season - at least. If it hurts Vancouver's Stanley Cup chances, so be it. Bertuzzi deserves to be punished severely. The league must make a statement. - Nicholas J. Cotsonika, Detroit Free Press
Bertuzzi's attack was not a spur-of-the-moment, heat-of-combat lapse in judgment. Rather, he stalked Moore like a thug working a dark alley. Though he outweighs Moore by about 60 pounds, he slipped up behind Moore and punched him with his gloved hand. What a coward! And as the dazed Moore fell helplessly toward the ice, Bertuzzi jumped on him and smashed his face into he ice. He could have killed the guy. - Jeff Gordon, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Bertuzzi's cheap-shot sucker punch from behind on Colorado's Steve Moore on Monday night in Vancouver, and then his driving of Moore's head into the ice, was despicable and indefensible. Bertuzzi should be suspended for a year. A full year. It's sickening, and that was the case even before the news broke Tuesday morning that Moore had suffered fractured vertebrae. He has the use of his limbs, and there will be no paralysis, but that doesn't lessen the shock - or the disgrace. - Terry Frei, ESPN.com
It would be apt to say that Todd Bertuzzi's vicious attack on Steve Moore gave hockey a black eye, if the face of the sport didn't already sport a shiner, a misshapen nose and a perpetual bully-boy sneer. Despicable and cowardly as Bertuzzi's sucker punch was, it's really just one extreme incident in a continuum of needless violence that is as much a part of the game as the speed and skill such episodes too often obscure. - John MacKinnon, Edmonton Journal
Squisher
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Although I'm not too fond of the instigator rule, Moore had already got into a fight and taken his lumps in this game(I think it was with Matt Cooke) and then was told by his coach not to fight anymore. He was challenged five more times to fight by Vancouver players and each time he skated away, that's when Bertuzzi decided to do the deed.
My prediction Bertuzzi.......he's gone through the playoffs and into next season (not the whole season).
And so goes any chance Vancouver had this year ( and remember there might not be a next year for NHL).
Although Bertuzzi hasn't had a great year, he still garnered the attention of the opposing team's #1 defense line. Now that he's gone, either Naslund will get the brunt of the attention, or more likely, the Sedin line. The twins have come on strong the last several weeks, but if they do draw a better defense pairing each game, expect their production to tank.Originally posted by: silverpig
Vancouver still has a decent chance. Bertuzzi hasn't produced much this year, Jovanovski is coming back soon, and with the new pickups of Sanderson and Rucinsky, it's looking pretty good actually
JEEEEZ FORGET IF MOORE CANT PLAY HOCKEY ANYMORE...
this is his life, not some damn game. Bertuzzi not only fak'd up his neck, he could have permanently disabled him from any other mobility. Bertuzzi is still responsible and should be punished for assault.
this is his life, not some damn game. Bertuzzi not only fak'd up his neck, he could have permanently disabled him from any other mobility. Bertuzzi is still responsible and should be punished for assault.
Sorry to hear about the hit. Moore had something coming but that was a little harsh. Bertuzzi obviously wasn't trying to hurt the guy that bad just trying to get back at him for what he did to Naslund. Obviously it was taken a little too far. Bertuzzi should get suspended for the rest of the season, and a $1 million fine or whatever they fine him but thats it. If every hockey player pressed charges after getting in a fight there wouldn't be many hockey players left...
The NHL needs to start making example's out of people, and here's a good start IMO.
Stuff like this is COMPLETELY inexcusable and unwarranted.
Stuff like this is COMPLETELY inexcusable and unwarranted.
Actually, I'm of the opinion that hits from behind and such should be taken out of the game. That's the dangerous kinda crap that doesn't belong in the game... end of story.
I can understand a big hit on the open ice from the side or from the front kinda like the Stevens hit on Lindros that put him out. That's just a penalty for skating with your head down. But nasty stuff from behind and into the boards and the injuries that occur from people trying to beat out icing... that's something I think the league can do without.
I can understand instigating and dropping the gloves for a "punch-in-the-face contest"... like the Philly and Sens scrum was totally within the game, similar to how some pitchers will throw up and in. That punch and the following drive into the ground was just outright malicious... totally unsportmanlike.
I can understand a big hit on the open ice from the side or from the front kinda like the Stevens hit on Lindros that put him out. That's just a penalty for skating with your head down. But nasty stuff from behind and into the boards and the injuries that occur from people trying to beat out icing... that's something I think the league can do without.
I can understand instigating and dropping the gloves for a "punch-in-the-face contest"... like the Philly and Sens scrum was totally within the game, similar to how some pitchers will throw up and in. That punch and the following drive into the ground was just outright malicious... totally unsportmanlike.
I agree Kokomo, same like when (McSorley?) took out Gretzky by cross checking him into the boards.
That's the way I see it, at least. In the past, I'll admit there was a lot more fighting, but incidents such as Moore's hit on Naslund would have been dealt with immediately. Instead it festered until Monday night's ugly incident...get rid of the instigator rule and maybe, just maybe, Moore would have taken his lumps immediately and he and Bertuzzi would still be playing hockey.
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