Anyone know where I can find a clip of that Bertuzzi hit on Moore...?

[rh71]

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Bertuzzi def. deserves some very harsh punishment.

However, I don't believe he intended to hurt the guy to the degree that he did. (Of course I don't know how much he hated him). I'll bet he just wanted to rough him up nicely, and just got a bit lucky (or unlucky) by nailing him REAL good, and thus breaking his neck.



I hope the other guy recovers allright. How serious is the neck injury, is it something he'll be able to recover from?

Probably not.

I haven't heard anything about paralysis. But a continued hockey career, very unlikely.

If Moore cant continue to play hockey, then I dont think that Bertuzzi should be able to either.

This continues the age-old argument of suspension time for smaller incidents like slew-footing. Lesser players get beat on a play and illegally throws out a leg... star player is out for weeks/months... lesser player gets a couple games at most.

Now if we're to follow your thinking... reverse the roles... the star player accidentally slew-foots the goon carrying the puck up ice... goon goes down and is out for a few weeks. Hey... why don't we keep him out so the star player never gets to come back either...

Won't work.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Bertuzzi def. deserves some very harsh punishment.

However, I don't believe he intended to hurt the guy to the degree that he did. (Of course I don't know how much he hated him). I'll bet he just wanted to rough him up nicely, and just got a bit lucky (or unlucky) by nailing him REAL good, and thus breaking his neck.



I hope the other guy recovers allright. How serious is the neck injury, is it something he'll be able to recover from?

Probably not.

I haven't heard anything about paralysis. But a continued hockey career, very unlikely.

WTF did Vancouver GM Brian Burke imply otherwise? Is he an expert on fractured vertebrae?

He's remorseful, and relieved that Mr. Moore's injuries, at this point, appear that a full recovery should be possible.

 

[MaxDepth]

Jeebus.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Bertuzzi def. deserves some very harsh punishment.

However, I don't believe he intended to hurt the guy to the degree that he did. (Of course I don't know how much he hated him). I'll bet he just wanted to rough him up nicely, and just got a bit lucky (or unlucky) by nailing him REAL good, and thus breaking his neck.



I hope the other guy recovers allright. How serious is the neck injury, is it something he'll be able to recover from?

Probably not.

I haven't heard anything about paralysis. But a continued hockey career, very unlikely.

If Moore cant continue to play hockey, then I dont think that Bertuzzi should be able to either.

This continues the age-old argument of suspension time for smaller incidents like slew-footing. Lesser players get beat on a play and illegally throws out a leg... star player is out for weeks/months... lesser player gets a couple games at most.

Now if we're to follow your thinking... reverse the roles... the star player accidentally slew-foots the goon carrying the puck up ice... goon goes down and is out for a few weeks. Hey... why don't we keep him out so the star player never gets to come back either...

Won't work.

Thats why you do it on a case by case basis. If it is found to be accidental, then you dont give a long suspension. But to state that you will hurt a player before the game is played and then cause a career threatning injury is a whole different case. If Moore cant play another game because of these injuries then neither should Bertuzzi.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: NathanBWF

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: NathanBWF
Police Investigate Bertuzzi for hit on Moore

I don't ever like seeing Police get involved into sports incidents like this. As stupid as it is, it's still part of the game, and just another reason why the game is in the decline that it is today.

so if some guy took his skate off and sliced some guy's throat with it, he shouldn't be charged with anything? How about if he takes his stick and repeatedly beats another guy in the head?

These types of actions are NOT part of the game. A cheap shot with an elbow or checking from behind are parts of the game. Blatent disregard for a persons well being by assaulting them from behind with enough force to eventually break their neck is NOT part of the game.

Exactly.

So should every other player who takes a cheap shot at another player be charged as well...? Because I think that would be pretty much every play erin the league. Players say they are going to get a guy all the time, but now all of a sudden this one counts...? I'm not saying it's alright that he did it, but just because he accidentally hurt the guys neck doesn't mean he should be criminally charged. If someguy sticks a knee out, tears the ACL of some other player, ends his carreer, should that player be charged criminally as well...?

Accidentally, he said for THREE FUGGIN WEEKS THEY WERE GOING TO GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :| MAY ANNOUNCED IT PUBLICLY!!!!!!!!!

Pay attention to thats going on in the NHL before you try and step into teh ring with this bunch of guys.

May said it as a joke as that is what was expected of him by the media. Everyone was talking about it. Don't take that to be a "hit". I also doubt it was premeditated to hurt him purposely like that. Sure, he wanted to fight and rough him up, but not to break his vertebrae.

Rest of this season for sure... maybe next season too. He does need to get his act in gear.

That was a blatant cheap shot by a pvssy. Pete Rose got banned from life from his sport just for betting on it. Going after someone from behind with the sole purpose to injure or maim should warrant his removal from hockey as well as jail-time. I'm all for seeing a good hockey fight, but that was just wrong.

 

[prontospyder]

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[xboxist]

I haven't even seen the clip yet and I'm already quite upset at this incident. Blatant physical attacks in sports need to be handled like they would be if such incidents happened in public. Until the penalties get significantly harsher, this crap will continue to happen.

 

[Balt]

When I saw the clip yesterday on ESPN it seemed pretty obvious he purposefully drove Moore's head face-first into the ice after cheap-shotting him from behind.

The NHL can ban his ass for life, for all I care. That crap isn't right in any sport.

 

[iliopsoas]

Originally posted by: NathanBWF

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: NathanBWF
Police Investigate Bertuzzi for hit on Moore

I don't ever like seeing Police get involved into sports incidents like this. As stupid as it is, it's still part of the game, and just another reason why the game is in the decline that it is today.

so if some guy took his skate off and sliced some guy's throat with it, he shouldn't be charged with anything? How about if he takes his stick and repeatedly beats another guy in the head?

These types of actions are NOT part of the game. A cheap shot with an elbow or checking from behind are parts of the game. Blatent disregard for a persons well being by assaulting them from behind with enough force to eventually break their neck is NOT part of the game.

Exactly.

So should every other player who takes a cheap shot at another player be charged as well...? Because I think that would be pretty much every play erin the league. Players say they are going to get a guy all the time, but now all of a sudden this one counts...? I'm not saying it's alright that he did it, but just because he accidentally hurt the guys neck doesn't mean he should be criminally charged. If someguy sticks a knee out, tears the ACL of some other player, ends his carreer, should that player be charged criminally as well...?

I think you're missing the point. He didn't accidentally hurt the guy. The Canucks vowed revenge before the game. Bertuzzi fulfilled that promise and broke the guy's neck. It's a crime.

 

[jagr10]

It's sad to see a star player do something stupid like this. Bertuzzi will definitely learn his lesson. Some of these power forwards don't use their heads. They don't realize that going after a crappy hockey player is going to hurt their own team more than the other team.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

This hit is why I hate the instigator rule. Back in the game where Moore took out Naslund, someone from the Canucks could have done something about it right then. Moore would have taken some lumps in a fair fight from, say, Brookbank, and then we'd have been done with it. Plus Ruutu would have taken a pounding from, say, Worell for mugging Forsberg all night, and Forsberg probably would still be playing. Instead, Moore is in the hospital, Naslund got a concussion, and Forsberg hasn't played since.

 

[UNCjigga]

Is that the one where he mopped the ice with the guy's face?? Dude was taken out on a stretcher!

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Jigga
Is that the one where he mopped the ice with the guy's face?? Dude was taken out on a stretcher!

A broken neck will do that to you.

 

[SaigonK]

Mcsroley doesnt play anymore now does he? 20 games for an act like this? he should get booted, next time think before you act. Latrell Spreewell should have gotten the boot when he choked his coah, but the NBA did nothing. The NHL should stand up and say "yes hockey is a rough game, there are fights...but this was going to far..even for us..."

McSorley was done after 17 years in the game, one idiot moved cost him his career...the same should go for this idiot.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: SaigonK

McSorley was done after 17 years in the game, one idiot moved cost him his career...the same should go for this idiot.

McSorley voluntarily retired after his one year suspension.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: SaigonK

McSorley was done after 17 years in the game, one idiot moved cost him his career...the same should go for this idiot.

McSorley voluntarily retired after his one year suspension.

It may have technically been "voluntarily"... But he may very well have continued playing (probably, imho.) for a few more years if it weren't for that incident.

 

[blackdogdeek]

can someone explain the instigator rule to me? i'm not clear on it and i've heard it mentioned before.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
It may have technically been "voluntarily"... But he may very well have continued playing (probably, imho.) for a few more years if it weren't for that incident.

that may be so. It was still a voluntary retirement.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
can someone explain the instigator rule to me? i'm not clear on it and i've heard it mentioned before.

An instigator of an altercation shall be a player who by his actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some of the following criteria: distance traveled; gloves off first; first punch thrown; menacing attitude or posture; verbal instigation or threats; conduct in retaliation to a prior game incident.

The instigator gets an additional 2 minute penalty.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
can someone explain the instigator rule to me? i'm not clear on it and i've heard it mentioned before.

Read this.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
can someone explain the instigator rule to me? i'm not clear on it and i've heard it mentioned before.

An instigator of an altercation shall be a player who by his actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some of the following criteria: distance traveled; gloves off first; first punch thrown; menacing attitude or posture; verbal instigation or threats; conduct in retaliation to a prior game incident.

The instigator gets an additional 2 minute penalty.

thank you. and thanks pyonir as well.

so the argument against the instigator rule is that it prevents retribution(in the same game) and causes festering animosity that leads to incidents such as this one, right?

 

[TheNinja]

Fighting is part of hockey (as mentioned) but this wasn't a fight, nor should it be part of hockey. If you want to see a fight, check out Worrell and May rounds1 and 2. The first fight, they went at it both consensually. And then May tride to gaod Hinote into a fight. At which point, someone from the Avs made a quick switch with Worrell, who came on the ice and skated directly towards May. Then they both dropped their gloves and skated around about 2 feet away from each other looking to get a good hold on the other person's jersey with one hand. Now that's how you fight. Anyway there is a clip floating around of all the fights from that night including the bertuzzi/moore incident. It is around 27megs.

I also have the clip where Philly/Ott go at it for a record 419 PIMs. You even get a goalie fight in that one...lol

 

[classy]

It was pretty vicious. But many many cheap shots have been like this. Unfortunately for this young man he got hurt. Owen Nolan a couple of years ago did the same thing but the guy didn't hurt this bad. Lindros about 5 years ago has done this. Tony Twist if I remember correctly also clocked a guy like this. Mario Lemeiux in the playoffs attacked a guy like this from behind but none of those guys got hurt as bad. This is vicous part of the game, but also is part of the spirit of the game. Its sad to see a person get hurt this bad but this stuff has been in the game from the beginning. He'll probably get probation legally like McSorley, but McSorley actually attacked Brashear with a stick which was worse. He should be suspended for the rest of this year without pay and probably 25 games of the start of next year without pay. Bertuzzi is not a dirty player. There is no way he meant to hurt him this bad.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
thank you. and thanks pyonir as well.

so the argument against the instigator rule is that it prevents retribution(in the same game) and causes festering animosity that leads to incidents such as this one, right?

Yep, that's the theory. (And one that I personally agree with.)

 

[NathanBWF]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: NathanBWF

So should every other player who takes a cheap shot at another player be charged as well...? Because I think that would be pretty much every play erin the league. Players say they are going to get a guy all the time, but now all of a sudden this one counts...? I'm not saying it's alright that he did it, but just because he accidentally hurt the guys neck doesn't mean he should be criminally charged. If someguy sticks a knee out, tears the ACL of some other player, ends his carreer, should that player be charged criminally as well...?

I can't believe you think he accidentally (no intention of hurting him severely) hurt the guys neck when he forced his head into the ice from behind. Or think that this is just like any other incident in a normal game. Do you watch hockey on a regular basis? (just wondering)

You baffle me. Congrats.

How do you know that his neck was fractured when he hit the ice or when Bertuzzi landed on him. There were like 3 or 4 other people who jumped on his back after Bertuzzi was already lying on top of him. How do you know that his neck wasn't fractured when the LAST guy jumped on him...?