Anyone else have a hatred of medicine?

[Mo0o]

So, why hasn't the NIH and academic institutions found these "cures"?

How was Faraday supposed to get that rocket to the moon again?

The government usually does the basic science research that lays the groundwork for actual drug research. then once the drugs hit the market, academic centers do a lot of clinical trials comparing the efficacy of treatment regimens.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The government usually does the basic science research that lays the groundwork for actual drug research. then once the drugs hit the market, academic centers do a lot of clinical trials comparing the efficacy of treatment regimens.

Exactly. The biological fundamentals are what's needed in either a treatment or cure. It's always been easier to find something that prevents or mitigates something than which permanently fixes it.

My wife is a molecular geneticist, and the amount of new knowledge that is discovered every month is staggering. That's one of the problems. There's so much to know that comprehending enough to make an impact requires much time and effort. Forget about putting it all in context.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So, why hasn't the NIH and academic institutions found these "cures"?

How was Faraday supposed to get that rocket to the moon again?

Bignate believes the big lie of big phrama. Cures? My ass. Nobody wants to cure the goose that lays the golden egg. Come close to a cure, but never solve the problem? Sure! Because they can recoup their billions in research and devolepment that way. But they are not going to go bankrupt to cure anyone, and if someone tells you otherwise, they are lying.

 

[sandorski]

Someone's Headache turns into a discussion on Medical Research. I now have a Headache.

Thread is now about: Should I take Aspirin or Ibuprofen?

 

[The Stig]

Someone's Headache turns into a discussion on Medical Research. I now have a Headache.

Thread is now about: Should I take Aspirin or Ibuprofen?

crush equal mixture of the two, add enough water to create paste, smoke off of tin foil.

 

[Mo0o]

Bignate believes the big lie of big phrama. Cures? My ass. Nobody wants to cure the goose that lays the golden egg. Come close to a cure, but never solve the problem? Sure! Because they can recoup their billions in research and devolepment that way. But they are not going to go bankrupt to cure anyone, and if someone tells you otherwise, they are lying.

you're assuming the pharmaceutical companies are smart enough to work together to prevent a cure from being developed. If you can invent a cure, all the profits related to that disease will come to you. And if you own the sole patent, you can charge as much as you want. THis is why pharma is still going after the next big chemotherapy drug that can help cure cancer X

Look up Herceptin (trastuzumab), are you saying another company wouldn't jump at the chance to own the patent to something that can go for $70,000 per course of treatment?

Big pharma as a global entity may not benefit from disease cures, but on a company by company basis, it's the holy grail

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bignate believes the big lie of big phrama. Cures? My ass. Nobody wants to cure the goose that lays the golden egg. Come close to a cure, but never solve the problem? Sure! Because they can recoup their billions in research and devolepment that way. But they are not going to go bankrupt to cure anyone, and if someone tells you otherwise, they are lying.

I didn't say that pharmaceutical companies had a financial incentive to produce a cure, but two other things. First, that our understanding of disease states is far from complete. Second, that a lot of research is being done to figure out just what is going on. From that someone may be able to produce a cure.

This is one thing I'm big about with academia and government funding. Energy is the same thing. If there was a way to produce a barrel's worth of energy for $2, then people who have a fortune invested in high dollar oil and other energy methods aren't going to bring that to light or even look for it. I'd give MIT a bundle and say go for it.

Same with basic research in other fields.

 

[Nik]

I do not like pharmaceuticals at all.

 

[bob4432]

Well, you're a hardcore drug user so I wouldn't really take anything you have to say on this subject and try to apply it to the average person.

I took a valium once when I was in high school, got it out of a friend's Mom's medicine cabinet, and I was so fucking high and numb that I could have been hit by a bus and not felt a thing. Never again.

I've never taken any of the other drugs you listed other than OTC cold medicines when I have a nasty cold.

wow, the most ignorant statement of the thread. you can that somebody is a "hardcore drug user" because somebody else's experience differed from yours? weak, extremely weak. :thumbsdown:

 

[Mo0o]

wow, the most ignorant statement of the thread. you can that somebody is a "hardcore drug user" because somebody else's experience differed from yours? weak, extremely weak. :thumbsdown:

no actually zanejohnson has already admitted to a long drug abuse history (illegal and prescription medications). So it's entirely possible that his tolerance to pain medications is sigifnicantly different from the average person

 

[The Stig]

Well, you're a hardcore drug user so I wouldn't really take anything you have to say on this subject and try to apply it to the average person.

I took a valium once when I was in high school, got it out of a friend's Mom's medicine cabinet, and I was so fucking high and numb that I could have been hit by a bus and not felt a thing. Never again.

I've never taken any of the other drugs you listed other than OTC cold medicines when I have a nasty cold.

I remember my first beer

 

[The Stig]

no actually zanejohnson has already admitted to a long drug abuse history (illegal and prescription medications). So it's entirely possible that his tolerance to pain medications is sigifnicantly different from the average person

Tolerance to pain meds is not a permanent thing, that's why relapse is more often fatal than a regular use.

 

[Mo0o]

Tolerance to pain meds is not a permanent thing, that's why relapse is more often fatal than a regular use.

Thats why i said it was possible. I have no idea whether he's still using or not

 

[Mateo]

Bignate believes the big lie of big phrama. Cures? My ass. Nobody wants to cure the goose that lays the golden egg. Come close to a cure, but never solve the problem? Sure! Because they can recoup their billions in research and devolepment that way. But they are not going to go bankrupt to cure anyone, and if someone tells you otherwise, they are lying.

So much fail in one post its amazing.

What exactly is your definition of "cure"? Is some simple cases we can in fact simply give you a course of medicince that does in fact "cure" you of "x".

Ex: Antibiotics curing an infection. You can be sure, this is a HUGE money maker for drug companies. Yet, the individual is cured after a course of antibiotics and they are no longer needed.

Ex2: Vaccines. An individual who is immunized is essentially "cured" (so to speak) and now resistant to a particular pathogen. No lifetime of treatments needed any more. Diseases that used to kill massive amounts of individuals and were a huge burden on the healthcare system have all but been erradicated in many cases. To be honest, "big pharma" would have been better off never inventing certain vaccines.

Ex3: Surgical interventions. Often we can "cure" somthing by letting a "flesh mechanic" go to work and fix whats wrong (ex: kidney transplant, tumor removal). Unfortunately it is just not usually that simple.

If however you are expecting drug companies to come up with a single pill to treat somthing as complex as cancer, diabetes, sepsis, high blood pressure, cardio vascular disease, HIV etc... well keep on waiting because those are all a complex cascade of multiple events that can not simply be fixed by a single "cure". There is no conspiracy here, just complex events that medicine can not easily fix. (although one day hopefully some can be "cured"...) Sometimes the damage has been done and your stuck mitigating what you can. In this scenario, your often stuck with a lifetime of treatments as you put it.

Medicine is a huge multi-billion dollar industry. So what. That does not automaticall mean it is somehow unethical or secretive. If fact, medicine has incredible transparency and checks and balances to keep it honest and effective. That said, there is plenty of $$ to be made.

If you have a heart attack, cancer, etc. I'm guessing you will change your tune. Young, healthy, individuals can attack medicine because it is an easy and convenient target. It offers them little to nothing, for now.

 

[waggy]

LOL threads like this amuse me.

"i broke my leg and had a steel rod in it! did i take any fucking pain killers? fuck no! just a few tylenol and i was back to work the next day! and anyone that takes pain medication are wimps!" hehe

only issue i have is narcotic drugs. i have seen what a person will do when they get addicted. its not fun to watch so taking them as often as i am told scares me.


I do think big pharmacy having ads on TV all the time is wrong. Though i understand why they do it.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

vaccines are filled with poison too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Scrodes]

The number of ignorant people in this thread is amazing...

 

[Mateo]

vaccines are filled with poison too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, to be fair, they do have to make up their money for the "cure" they are providing. Its like when you go to the mechanic who fixes somthing and then secretly damage somthing else so you have to come back.

 

[Taejin]

its funny how people think scientists developing drugs have enough of a mastery in understanding of the disease to pick and choose drugs that will just 'prolong' the suffering.

bunch of fucking morons.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So much fail in one post its amazing.

Lets see about that:

What exactly is your definition of "cure"? Is some simple cases we can in fact simply give you a course of medicince that does in fact "cure" you of "x".

Ex: Antibiotics curing an infection. You can be sure, this is a HUGE money maker for drug companies. Yet, the individual is cured after a course of antibiotics and they are no longer needed.

Thanks for repeating what I already said. You can keep your lifetime of bloodsucking "treatments" to yourself. Oh and infections are not diseaes. I was talking about diseases not infections.

Ex2: Vaccines. An individual who is immunized is essentially "cured" (so to speak) and now resistant to a particular pathogen. No lifetime of treatments needed any more. Diseases that used to kill massive amounts of individuals and were a huge burden on the healthcare system have all but been erradicated in many cases. To be honest, "big pharma" would have been better off never inventing certain vaccines.

Vaccines thankfully are developed as preventative measures, sometimes with terrible side effects however. There is plenty of incentive to create a "cancer vaccine" because you know you will have at least 6 billion sales of this item. Cha-ching!!! So you have big pharma motived to cash in here. But if you are already afflicted, tough.

Ex3: Surgical interventions. Often we can "cure" somthing by letting a "flesh mechanic" go to work and fix whats wrong (ex: kidney transplant, tumor removal). Unfortunately it is just not usually that simple.

Agreed.

Sometimes the damage has been done and your stuck mitigating what you can. In this scenario, your often stuck with a lifetime of treatments as you put it.

Medicine is a huge multi-billion dollar industry. So what. That does not automaticall mean it is somehow unethical or secretive. If fact, medicine has incredible transparency and checks and balances to keep it honest and effective. That said, there is plenty of $$ to be made.

If you have a heart attack, cancer, etc. I'm guessing you will change your tune. Young, healthy, individuals can attack medicine because it is an easy and convenient target. It offers them little to nothing, for now.

This is the best part. Do you mean checks and balances when certain companies are found to have submitted deliberately FAKE data to the FDA? See Ranbaxy as a recent example, but it happens all the time and not all of them get caught. Why?

I have been taking those worthless "treatments" for over a decade. They barely keep me alive with a mostly low quality of life. I have tried most every treatment available except monoclonal antibodies. I have been reluctant because of the EXTREME and OUTRAGEOUS cost. On March 11th, Im going to have to decide again to take the plunge on $60,000 to $90,000 a year treatments vs the $1000 per year or so I pay now. Do you see why Im extremely cynical? There is nothing in the pipeline except more of the same.

I pray a lot and it does help, but only God can cure, the pharmaceutical industry only wants to cash in.

 

[RapidSnail]

More pharmacy conspirators. Fucking idiots. I bet most of them don't have much experience in the biological sciences either.

 

[Jeff7]

"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or you can inoculate." - Carl Sagan

 

[mav451]

Lol this thread is treading dangerously into P&N territory.

 

[mafia]

Everyone's problems can be solved with weed.

 

[eits]

I've been averaging a headache about 4 days a week, all from my neck. I think I'm going to give in & make an appointment with my chiropractor. Very inconvenient to go to him - 20 miles away. But last time I had chronic headaches, a couple visits took care of the problem for years.

my point of view is that a great chiropractor that you can trust is worth the drive