Anyone else have a hatred of medicine?

[eits]

vaccines are filled with poison too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

most are. that's just a fact. it's just that they're at such small concentrations per inoculation that it's not really anything to worry about in a vast majority of people.

 

[BoomerD]

Tolerance to pain meds is not a permanent thing, that's why relapse is more often fatal than a regular use.

It may not be permanant, but it's dammed sure long-lasting. I haven't used since 1974, and I STILL have a huge tolerance for opoids.

I can tolerate doses that would kill most people...but, they DO make me stupid...I get a bad case of the "duh's" from taking enough to make a dent in pain.
Fortunately, I also have a very high tolerance for pain. (except headaches...those motherfucking things drive me nuts)
When I blew out my knee, the doctor was amazed that not only did I not want pain meds, I insisted on continuing to work.
He said that MOST people would be curled up on the couch, eating vicodan like candy and BEGGING for more. <shrug>
My pain management doc tells me the same thing about my back problems.
He accused me of being "noble" for refusing to take the stuff.
I told him, "Doc, I'm going to school full-time. I'm stupid enough on my own...I don't need any chemical help." :biggrin: Then I explained about my past history with opiate narcotics...and he finally understood, BUT he still offers them to me like they're candy at Halloween.

 

[eits]

I do not like pharmaceuticals at all.

there's nothing wrong with some pharmaceuticals... it's the pharmaceutical companies and their lobby that are the bad guys.

 

[Mateo]

Lets see about that:


Thanks for repeating what I already said. You can keep your lifetime of bloodsucking "treatments" to yourself. Oh and infections are not diseaes. I was talking about diseases not infections.


Vaccines thankfully are developed as preventative measures, sometimes with terrible side effects however. There is plenty of incentive to create a "cancer vaccine" because you know you will have at least 6 billion sales of this item. Cha-ching!!! So you have big pharma motived to cash in here. But if you are already afflicted, tough.

Agreed.

This is the best part. Do you mean checks and balances when certain companies are found to have submitted deliberately FAKE data to the FDA? See Ranbaxy as a recent example, but it happens all the time and not all of them get caught. Why?

I have been taking those worthless "treatments" for over a decade. They barely keep me alive with a mostly low quality of life. I have tried most every treatment available except monoclonal antibodies. I have been reluctant because of the EXTREME and OUTRAGEOUS cost. On March 11th, Im going to have to decide again to take the plunge on $60,000 to $90,000 a year treatments vs the $1000 per year or so I pay now. Do you see why Im extremely bitter? There is nothing in the pipeline except more of the same.

I pray a lot and it does help, but only God can cure, the pharmaceutical industry only wants to cash in.

Show me any evidence that a drug company is withholding a "cure" simply to make money.

You dont seem to understand that disease is generally a complex chain of events that can not simply be fixed with a single "cure". Medicine primarily mitigates and lessens severity of disease and thats it (with some exceptions). I dont know anyone in the industry that is claiming otherwise. It's you that seems to have your expectations out of whack.

Its odd that you throw out the success of antibiotics and dont consider that a cure. In the past simple infections often resulted in death. Antibiotics have the ability to "cure" someone with TB for example. That was certainly considered a disease. HIV could one day be "cured" by an antiviral and I certainly would consider that a disease. Vaccines "cured" polio, smallpox, and other diseases by preventing their spread. You seem to be throwing out the success of medicine and focusing on the areas it is still defficient.

Your right that if a cancer vaccine could be developed (and perhaps it will one day) it will make billions. Your also right that if you have the disease already well, your screwed. How is that a drug companies fault. Luckily there are medications out there that may well keep you alive (albeit with nasty side effects).

By transparency I mean medicine uses research/evidence to drive its practice. This research is available for review and not kept secret etc. Physicians and the medical community are presented with data from drug companies, independent research, etc and make their own collective decisions on that data which is then constantly re-reviewed. Its not a perfect system and yes, there is still misleading data, or even outright faked data as you mention. That is not the norm however and part of why data is re-reviewed over the years. Checks and balances help reduce and catch unethical practice. I would love to see evidence that faked data "happens all the time". It has happened yes, but its certainly not the norm in medical science.

If you see nothing of value coming from the drug industry than by all means I encourage you to not buy what they are selling.

 

[Mateo]

most are. that's just a fact. it's just that they're at such small concentrations per inoculation that it's not really anything to worry about in a vast majority of people.

Exactly... When you look at the data and side effect profiles the risk/benefit ratio greatly favors vaccines.

 

[DrPizza]

vaccines are filled with poison too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vaccines are NOT filled with poisons in the sense that poison is in the dose, not the chemical. The concentration isn't high enough for it to be a poison. Many (most?) medicines themselves are poisons by your definition. Many substances that we need to stay alive are considered poisons in larger doses.

 

[Mo0o]

Vaccines are NOT filled with poisons in the sense that poison is in the dose, not the chemical. The concentration isn't high enough for it to be a poison. Many (most?) medicines themselves are poisons by your definition. Many substances that we need to stay alive are considered poisons in larger doses.

I think pretty much anything can be a poison in high enough quantities

 

[FelixDeCat]

Its not a perfect system and yes, there is still misleading data, or even outright faked data as you mention. That is not the norm however and part of why data is re-reviewed over the years. Checks and balances help reduce and catch unethical practice. I would love to see evidence that faked data "happens all the time". It has happened yes, but its certainly not the norm in medical science.

I have already provided you proof and you admitted it. What else do you want? And its not just falsifying data, its releasing dangerous drugs into the marketplace that later face massive recalls.

Take the rose colored glasses off my friend. The industry is dirty and you know it.

 

[Mo0o]

I have already provided you proof and you admitted it. What else do you want? And its not just falsifying data, its releasing dangerous drugs into the marketplace that later face massive recalls.

Take the rose colored glasses off my friend. The industry is dirty and you know it.

It's very dirty, but it doesnt mean theyre withholding cures.

 

[BurnItDwn]

nah, I am not stupid so therefore, hatred of medicine is not possible for me.

 

[irishScott]

I take meds as a last resort because I trust my body to take care of itself and send appropriate signals. If you get chronic headaches, probably means you have some sort of deficiency or defect. Why not just spend some time isolating the problem and fixing it as opposed to masking the symptoms?

Another example is a fever. Why is everyone so eager to get it down? Sure you'll feel better for the short term, but one of the primary reasons we get a fever is because a lot of germs can't take the heat but the white blood cells can. Until the fever itself becomes a danger to the body, just let it run.

Now granted there are some major diseases and such out there where meds are a necessity. Those I have no problem with, but people definitely over-medicate nowadays. If you can take care of a problem naturally, it's usually best to do so IMO.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

What about unintended side effects? Surely there are things in medicine that are bad for us. Is there something to be said for being 'all natural' so to speak?

No offense to you (seriously), but frankly, that is one of the most stupid recurring arguments I've ever heard. Just because things are natural does not mean they're automatically good for you, and just because something is made in a lab does not automatically mean that it's less healthy than something that was extracted painstakingly from South American plants. If anything, because of the controlled environment in a lab, the lab-made stuff is healthier because there are fewer contaminants, impurities, and everything can be controlled to a greater degree. The only exception is with optical isomers, since enzymes do a much better job of selecting for R/S isomers much better than any industrial process.

Yes, but there's nothing intrinsic to walking that does any good, yet people get so excited about it you'd think they'd found the cure in their basement.

Apart from obvious benefits for health, there does seem to be a correlation between exercise and prevention of cancer.

There have been placebo studies done on most "natural" medicines and they do not work!!
You will argue that lemon and tea are good for cold as well as sounps...truth that be....but thats more common sense than anything else.

There is a certain amount of controversy about the testing of drugs beside placebos, and that controversy concerns the fact that people actually get better even when they take the placebo. This occurs to such an extent that a lot of the time, there is no statistically significant difference in improvement between taking the placebo and taking the actual drug. Thus, a lot of potentially very good drugs with potentially very useful benefits have not been approved, especially recently, because of the increase in the magnitude of the placebo effect. This goes for natural, as well as industrially manufactured, medicines.

Well, to be fair, they do have to make up their money for the "cure" they are providing. Its like when you go to the mechanic who fixes somthing and then secretly damage somthing else so you have to come back.

That is a bloody silly idea.

vaccines are filled with poison too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By definition most vaccines are poisonous.

 

[The Stig]