Question Anyone currently using an Intel Core Ultra 7 265K?

[controlflow]

Its $600 on newegg (US), but the 9950x is $590 from the same source, and I am pretty sure the 9950x spanks it in virtually every benchmark.

Let's calm down with the hyperbole and try to be a bit more objective.

Launch-Analyse Intel Arrow Lake | 3DCenter.org

Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2024 / von Leonidas Mittels "Arrow Lake" bringt Intel nach immerhin drei Jahre Wartezeit mal wieder eine richtige neue CPU-Architektur für Desktop-Bedürfnisse heraus – nachdem "Raptor

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285K
Applications: 106.9%
Average Application Power: 147W
Application Energy Efficiency 144%

Gaming: 94.4%
Average Gaming Power: 88W
Gaming Energy Efficiency 151%

9950X
Applications: 110.3%
Average Application Power: 160W
Application Energy Efficiency 136%

Gaming: 98.5%
Average Gaming Power: 111W
Gaming Energy Efficiency 124%

This was based on the original launch day review benchmarks when ARL had quite a few issues. It should only be closer now.

ARL is pretty mediocre for gaming but its certainty competitive with regular Zen 5, especially the ~$370 265K. It isn't unreasonable for someone to buy that for a decent general purpose or productivity machine especially if they value certain use cases that this platform is strong at.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This was based on the original launch day review benchmarks when ARL had quite a few issues. It should only be closer now.

Not really. It just isn't broken with 24H2 now.

ARL is pretty mediocre for gaming but its certainty competitive with regular Zen 5

False dilemma. You could build a much cheaper AM4 3D system if you want that level of gaming performance with no upgrade path. Or get AM5 3D and have a faster gamer on an upgradable platform. Hell, Alder and raptor provide better bang for buck. arrow is the last platform anyone should choose for gaming at the current pricing.

especially the ~$370 265K. It isn't unreasonable for someone to buy that for a decent general purpose or productivity machine especially if they value certain use cases that this platform is strong at.

And some will buy it for those reasons. Overpriced and underperforming for gaming builds. Deserves to be ignored, as the retail sales reflect.

Maybe they should have named it Astroturf Lake.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Here is the Tom's updated testing posted in the arrow thread - https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-200s-still-trails-amd-and-previous-gen-chips

The gaming performance is regressive. It loses to the 9950X in both productivity and gaming. Raptor extends its lead with the updates.

For reference, we originally measured the 14900K at 6.4% faster than the 285K in our launch day review, but now the 14900K is 14% faster than the updated 285K.

It is full on Bulldozer lake v. 9800X3D for gaming

Perhaps more importantly, compared to the fastest patched 285K results on the MSI motherboard, the Ryzen 9 9950X is now 6.5% faster (it was ~3% faster in our original review), and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D remains nearly 40% faster than the 285K – it isn’t close. That means the fix has not altered Arrow Lake’s competitive positioning in a positive way versus AMD’s processors.

BIG price drop needed for arrow to be in the discussion for gaming builds.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Good thing my bar is really low. My 245KF just needs to convincingly beat my 12700K

I wonder if whoever AMD gets rid of, like Raja or Hallock, have some sort of hex put on them by Shaman Lady Lisa Su.

 

[coercitiv]

My head is spinning, did they just make the 14900K be even faster in games than the 285K?!

 

[Hulk]

Here is the Tom's updated testing posted in the arrow thread - https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-200s-still-trails-amd-and-previous-gen-chips

The gaming performance is regressive. It loses to the 9950X in both productivity and gaming. Raptor extends its lead with the updates.



It is full on Bulldozer lake v. 9800X3D for gaming



BIG price drop needed for arrow to be in the discussion for gaming builds.

As we all know, 99.99% of the time CPU "fixes" rsult in increased overhead and worse performance. This looks more like Intel demanded, begged, and pleaded MS for some optimizations for the Lion Cove core, which actually helped Raptor Cove more than Lion Cove.

ARL is what it is. Better than Raptor for productivity and efficiency and a significant regression for gaming and some other applications.

The 9950X is the most performant top-of-the stack CPU available in x86 land. Intel needs to price accordingly in the same way AMD used to do when Intel was on top. All of their squirming and spinning is unbecoming.

Karma is a b?t$h.

 

[coercitiv]

Good thing my bar is really low. My 245KF just needs to convincingly beat my 12700K

Then don't update Windows on the 12700K, lol!

 

[igor_kavinski]

My head is spinning, did they just make the 14900K be even faster in games than the 285K?!

Yes maybe but remember that the 14900K has an expiry date that will come sooner than later

Now if Intel "promises" that all 14900K RMAs will result in 285K replacements, they might be able to save themselves till Nova Lake.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Then don't update Windows on the 12700K, lol!

I think I'll need to try Clear Linux, just to be "objective"

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel needs to price accordingly in the same way AMD used to do when Intel was on top. All of their squirming and spinning is unbecoming.

Very possible, after they replace their middle managers with a degree in management from Taiwanese universities

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Now if Intel "promises" that all 14900K RMAs will result in 285K replacements,

What about your fantasy 12 core Bartlett? No need for a new board that way?

 

[igor_kavinski]

What about your fantasy 12 core Bartlett? No need for a new board that way?

It's not fantasy! It's out there. Somewhere

Yeah that would be swell too

I hope they release Barty soon. Even in limited quantities for reassurance that they still got something in them. Instead of extra toasty dinosaur refresh and extra unpredictable arrows.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It's not fantasy! It's out there. Somewhere

I hope they release Barty soon. Even in limited quantities for reassurance that they still got something in them. Instead of extra toasty dinosaur refresh and extra unpredictable arrows.

My stupid brain keeps coming up with new names for ARL completely unbidden. I read your post and my brain goes - Arrow? Based on that review, more like boomerang.

Offtopic - Mrs just handed your A750LE to the mail carrier.

 

[Hulk]

Can someone point me to an Intel official announcement regarding Bartlett Lake?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Can someone point me to an Intel official announcement regarding Bartlett Lake?

Only this so far: https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2025/client-computing/f368n4/Intel-Edge-CES2025-Media-Deck.pdf

But rumor has it that by end of Q3, we may end up seeing the 12-core desktop CPU for LGA1700.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The rumor: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...id-cores-128gb-of-ddr5-4000-memory-and-32-eus

So where is the P-core-only Bartlett Lake-S? Rumors suggest that these processors are slated for Q3 2025, with the Core 9 SKUs allegedly offering 12 full-fat performance. Similar to their predecessors, these CPUs should employ Raptor Cove P-cores, so there won't be major improvements in IPC or efficiency.

 

[FXWLL]

I am new to the world of PC's. I was on a laptop for many many years. However I do my research based on what I need for my job as a music producer. Arrow Lake when benchmarked by Scan with their DAWBench tests was a clear winner. The 265K drew level with the 9950x on handling large projects on various audio buffer sizes, it was streaks ahead of its predecessors and the 9900x, with the 285K being leagues ahead of them all.

This to me does suggest that these processors have a lot of room for manouvre. I may be wrong but this ability to handle audio production workloads seems to be down to the chips 3nm resistors or whatever that 3nm refers to. Regardless, for music production this processor is doing something really cool and if this is true, once Intel really lock in performance, it should be insane. As a music professional, I dont like to upgrade constantly, so I need a rig that just works and works well for years to come. I was going to go AMD but the numbers proved Intel was better for my needs.

It seems that many have written this chip off as a failure and I get that, I was also about to. But it has the ability to be a powerhouse in music just as the 7800x3D is a powerhouse for gaming. This chip is not broken, it is not bad tech, I believe (may have misheard this though so dont quote me) Intel actually came out and said they have intentionally hobbled it out of a fear Raptor Lake would happen all over again. If they did do this, I get it. Baby steps, until you know the new technology works. I am no Intel fan boy or AMD fan boy, I could not care less what processor is in my rig, I just care that it does its job and does it well. Time is money and I am always churning out music, so my rig has to keep up. For that reason I have bet the farm on Intel.

Maybe a fellow music producer is looking for a new PC and comes across this thread and is thinking Intel Ultras suck because right now its all gamer related content saying this. The Ultras do suck for games but buying an AMD could be a waste of money if you do music production on a desktop system. The 265K competes with the 9950x for about half its price, while for almost the same price the 285K demolishes the 9950x in DAWBench mark testing run by Scan.


Long story short, being bad at gaming does not mean the tech is awful contrary to many gaming reviewers. Anyway thats my anecdotal take from the research I have done and what has led me to my decision to go 265K. Based on price to performance (Audio Production workloads) it looks like the sweet spot of the 3.

 

[MarkPost]

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[Hulk]

Voight-Kampff...........FAIL!

So tell me about your mother?

 

[DrMrLordX]

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[IEC]

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[Thunder 57]

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[Hitman928]

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[FXWLL]

I apologise for my error but I do believe I said in my post that I was unsure if what I was saying about Intel holding back the performance was true, I did say I could be wrong. But ok, sure get aggressive and rage at me, that is super helpful. Well done.

Yeah this community is crazy toxic. Just came to share my thoughts and perhaps learn but seems opinions, thoughts that veer off the party line get the threat of a ban hammer or snarky passive aggressive responses or some ad hominem being called a bot etc. Have fun but Im out.

As I said I couldnt give a **** what processor I use. Just as long as it does my work better than other options. As to the commenter pointing out that everyone knows Intel is better at productivity so why would I post what I posted? I have seen a tonne of people disputing that intel is better at productivity and they clearly say AMD is better on that front, in fact thats a constant theme I see in comments sections across YT. So I dont agree with the commenter that this is some hard established fact within the community. As an outsider looking in, it does not seem that way to me. Plenty of people still arguing AMD is better at productivity than the Core Ultra's, hence why I said what I said. Even on this thread people are commenting similar.

I was honestly trying to give my genuine thoughts in the hope my experience might add some value, its ok if it doesnt and its ok if I am wrong but this communities response shows me that if I was to hang around and if i continued to post but made an error or posted wrong info, I wouldn't be corrected and steered towards the right information, id be talked down, treated like I was stupid, just not an experience I wish to have. You do you, honestly, if that makes you happy...great, but your toxic mess of a passive aggressive community is not for me. I prefer adult discussions with a civilised back and forth, sharing different opinions and a good debate on these topics.

I guess opinions are way too much for you all to cope with. I understand, its difficult, other people saying stuff and having thoughts. It must be exhausting trying to keep these untoward second class citizens with their pesky different opinions suppressed. I really sympathise. Bye.

 

[MarkPost]

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