Question Anyone currently using an Intel Core Ultra 7 265K?

[Markfw]

For office PC Intel is a no brainier choice especially the 12th gen SKU cheap and efficient for Gaming get 7800X3D(9800X3D is too expensive for what it is I would rather have 9950X than it ) for MT get 9900X/9950X/265K

I don't know how its a nobrainer. AMD has some very powerful, very cheap CPUs for office only. But did not this post relate to a gamer ?

 

[Markfw]

I just looked. You can get a Ryzen 7700 for $239. Thats all you need to office. And no patches/updates/fixes required unlike the 265k.

 

[511]

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Someone with a proper CS background and deep knowledge about implementation of those algorithms can shed light on what could be causing Arrow Lake to get beaten in so many of those tests.

However, I think HT would've made the fight a little more fair.

HT wouldn't have done anything cause the issues is 80 cycle L3 and the horrible Interconnect

 

[511]

I don't know how its a nobrainer. AMD has some very powerful, very cheap CPUs for office only. But did not this post relate to a gamer ?

Office PC is idle/low load mostly AMDs interconnect sucks if you have 1000s of those in a office you get the picture right

 

[In2Photos]

Office PC is idle/low load mostly AMDs interconnect sucks if you have 1000s of those in a office you get the picture right

Most office PCs are going the SFF/Tiny/Micro desktop route and the Dells and Lenovos of the world don't really offer AMD products so everyone is stuck with Intel regardless. If they used AMD's mobile offerings they would compete in idle/low load just like they do in laptops.

 

[Josh128]

Office PC is idle/low load mostly AMDs interconnect sucks if you have 1000s of those in a office you get the picture right

You are correct if referring to X / non APU chips, but not the APUs like the 8600/8700G and the upcoming Strix desktop parts. If I were responsible for upgrading 100+ office PCs, I should be considered incompetent to even remotely consider Ryzen 9 series MCM chips, precisely for that reason. Likewise for anything that Intel is selling over 8 cores.

 

[511]

You are correct if referring to X / non APU chips, but not the APUs like the 8600/8700G and the upcoming Strix desktop parts. If I were responsible for upgrading 100+ office PCs, I should be considered incompetent to even remotely consider Ryzen 9 series MCM chips, precisely for that reason. Likewise for anything that Intel is selling over 8 cores.

Yup those T/non K models are shoved to pre builts and office and they make sense

 

[Hulk]

First: Transparency. All of you regulars deserve to know why a first post like that is, or is not, wished away to the cornfield. Spambot post go straight to the cornfield.

Second: I have been posting here for decades. If you read even .01% of my posts then you should know I don't abide FUD. I don't care who the vendor is, or why the FUD is being dispersed; homie don't play that.

Third: What an odd second question; It was no effort at all.

Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the original post, not your response.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I read @Hulk’s post as he’s asking the motivation behind the drive by post, not yours.

I had not considered that. If so, my bad. If that is the case, hopefully the information was at least not unwelcome.

Office PC is idle/low load mostly AMDs interconnect sucks if you have 1000s of those in a office you get the picture right

From the first post - I use my PC primarily for gaming. Given that, Why do you keep debating the viability of arrow for office use? It is immaterial to a DIY gaming build.

If the idle power usage talking point is at the top of the list, Arrow is cooked. My reaction as a gamer is - Arrow saves power when you are doing nothing. Fantastic! Great! Splendid! I have a GPU that uses over 350W at times, idle power savings from the CPU isn't even on my must have features list. How much the peak draw when in an CPU heavy game most certainly is. Above that is performance in said games. You know, because this was about a gaming build.

 

[511]

Looks like we took the thread off topic 😅
anyways I am waiting for the promised cope with ARL the magical BIOS they killed Raptor Lake themselves if they were a bit pro active they could have salvaged RPL easily

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Looks like we took the thread off topic 😅
anyways I am waiting for the promised cope with ARL the magical BIOS they killed Raptor Lake themselves if they were a bit pro active they could have salvaged RPL easily

It isn't offtopic so much as irrelevant. Arrow has some bright spots, gaming is not among them.

Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the original post, not your response.

No, it's isn't you, it's my poor reading comprehension of late.

 

[Kocicak]

I still have yet to see any evidence that Intel has made the 285k in any real volume.

I just have one ready for pick up at a normal retailer for normal price (it most likely will not happen). They are made and they sell. For some reason they are made in so small volumes, that retailers do not have even single digit numbers in stock.

It seems like the total monthly production is 1000 pieces at most. I have no idea what is the reason for this. Is it so difficult to make a fully functional die and if so, why??? Baffling.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Is it so difficult to make a fully functional die and if so, why??? Baffling.

Possibly coz it's their first "clocked to the moon" part on TSMC and on a process that almost everyone else decided to skip.

 

[Hulk]

I just have one ready for pick up at a normal retailer for normal price (it most likely will not happen). They are made and they sell. For some reason they are made in so small volumes, that retailers do not have even single digit numbers in stock.

It seems like the total monthly production is 1000 pieces at most. I have no idea what is the reason for this. Is it so difficult to make a fully functional die and if so, why??? Baffling.

In typical Intel fashion we will never know. Just another mysterious Intel stumble as they continue their slide into irrelevance.

 

[Josh128]

I just have one ready for pick up at a normal retailer for normal price (it most likely will not happen). They are made and they sell. For some reason they are made in so small volumes, that retailers do not have even single digit numbers in stock.

It seems like the total monthly production is 1000 pieces at most. I have no idea what is the reason for this. Is it so difficult to make a fully functional die and if so, why??? Baffling.

The reason is likely 1 of 2 things: Either too expensive to produce and therefore not profitable at its performance/price point, or yields for the 5.7GHz freq spec are just not there. There were rumors right around or before launch of the 5.7GHz spec working only for the highest bins, which is why the 285K availability was so bad.

 

[dttprofessor]

The most capacity of N3B move to 258V & H which coustoms perfer to purchase.

 

[Hulk]

The reason is likely 1 of 2 things: Either too expensive to produce and therefore not profitable at its performance/price point, or yields for the 5.7GHz freq spec are just not there. There were rumors right around or before launch of the 5.7GHz spec working only for the highest bins, which is why the 285K availability was so bad.

Well if this is true, and it makes perfect sense then this terrible decision could have easily been avoided.

There are plenty of 265K's available meaning if they all don't have a "broken/defected" Skymont cluster then they are 265K's just because they couldn't hit 285K frequency specs.

Seems pretty simple to me actually. Sell 285K's at the frequency they can hit and bin the higher performing ones for a later "KS" release or release them both at once so reviewers have the KS to make the ARL review not look quite as bad.

But I suppose we should understand that Intel has too much pride to release a downclocked 285K that would have it's clock cleaned even worse by the 9950X. Better to cut off your nose to spite your face and sell them as 265K parts at half the price.

 

[igor_kavinski]

There are plenty of 265K's available meaning if they all don't have a "broken/defected" Skymont cluster then they are 265K's just because they couldn't hit 285K frequency specs.

Massive waste if a whole perfectly functional Skymont cluster is being disabled to produce 265K. They should've created an intermediate 275K with roughly 265K clocks and 12 maybe slightly slower Skymont cores.

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To hit only 200 MHz higher TVB and just 100 MHz higher Turbo boost Max 3.0/P-core Max Turbo clocks while having enough power left to feed 12 Skymont cores, Intel needs very power efficient (less leaky) P-cores that can do more with less P-core power budget.

265K base frequencies for both P and E cores are higher due to more power available to fewer cores compared to 285K.

GPU frequencies are same between 265K and 285K which is unusual because usually Core i9's GPU clocks higher, even if by 50 MHz only.

Unlike Raptor Bake, Arrow Lake's TJmax is 105C which is nice additional thermal headroom for overclocked usage without throttling.

^^^ prompted me to check: https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-24m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html

And whaddaya know? Intel 3's max operating temp is 110C. Real shame coz if they had been just a little bit more vigilant, Arrow Lake could've launched with higher clocks on Intel 3.

Kinda gives one hope that they could release an Intel 3 fabbed Arrow Lake Refresh with 6 GHz boost for 385K.

 

[coercitiv]

There are plenty of 265K's available meaning if they all don't have a "broken/defected" Skymont cluster then they are 265K's just because they couldn't hit 285K frequency specs.

Massive waste if a whole perfectly functional Skymont cluster is being disabled to produce 265K. They should've created an intermediate 275K with roughly 265K clocks and 12 maybe slightly slower Skymont cores.

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[igor_kavinski]

Supply must be getting better.



That's the closest to MSRP I've seen, for the first time since its launch in UAE. Previously, it was north of AED 3000 (Divide by 3.68 to get USD price).

 

[Markfw]

Supply must be getting better.

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That's the closest to MSRP I've seen, for the first time since its launch in UAE. Previously, it was north of AED 3000 (Divide by 3.68 to get USD price).

Its $600 on newegg (US), but the 9950x is $590 from the same source, and I am pretty sure the 9950x spanks it in virtually every benchmark.

 

[gdansk]

Its $600 on newegg (US), but the 9950x is $590 from the same source, and I am pretty sure the 9950x spanks it in virtually every benchmark.

It doesn't. If there is any "spanking" they're taking turns.

 

[Markfw]

It doesn't. If there is any "spanking" they're taking turns.

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3% overall performance loss, and only 4% in games, but the 7800x3d spanks it.

For a dead-end platform and more power usage and less performance and more money, I think it is spanked.

edit: and NO avx-512 ability.

 

[gdansk]

I do not consider trading blows and an overall 3-4% difference to be a spanking.

It is generally comparable in performance, power to the 9950X. It needs a more expensive configuration to compete. But overall it isn't a bad choice (especially if Intel adjusts prices down).

The X3D chips are a different story which doesn't apply to a comparison of the 285K and 9950X.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Again, arrow has some bright spots, gaming builds is not one of them. That's the topic of the thread; OP asked about the 265k with gaming as the focus. All of this other stuff is irrelevant.

Arrow is certainly going in prebuilts and mobile. Retail? It is DOA.