any laws on the topic? I was sent the wrong item from a business via mail, do I have to ship it back?

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

The DMSO uses this as the primary definition for psychopathy. actually, it kind of supports looker's interpretation of "success in business" that the accepted definition of "psychopathy" (the mental disorder commonly attributed to serial killers) is most commonly linked to the personality profiles of corporate CEOs.

great article on psychopathy

 

[runzwithsizorz]

The op tells us he found the same TV for $900. If this is true, and he can prove it, I cannot see why the company would not accept this price and be done the it. Something here just ain't right. BTW OP, the company owes you nothing for repackaging, you clearly opened something that you KNEW wasn't yours. Hey Op, does that $900 include shipping?

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
Ok interesting twist... I just called the CSR of this company and he said they've refunded the price I paid on the 32" and reinforced that they want the 46" back.

He even went so far as to say if I keep the 46" that I'm stealing!

I laughed at him and hung up.

What should I do? Keep the money... and the 46" LCD... man how stupid can this company be.

If you want to learn the hard way, keep the TV and the money. If you wan't to do things the right way and avoid prison, then send the TV back and then purchase the original TV you intended to.

Prison? he will not be going to any prison.

while possible it is highly doubtfull he will.

but what will happen if he keps is he will ruin his credit, get sued, wages garnished and be out a LOT of money in the long run.

Wrong, he never agreed to pay for this tv as such they can't ruin his credit. A simple debt verification letter to collection agency will keep them from doing anything to his credit. If they sue him, they still have to provide evidence that he agreed to pay for this tv, which he didn't. So his credit will be fined, his wages will not be gardnished and all of you can continue dreaming that something bad will happen to him if he keeps the tv.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
The op tells us he found the same TV for $900. If this is true, and he can prove it, I cannot see why the company would not accept this price and be done the it. Something here just ain't right. BTW OP, the company owes you nothing for repackaging, you clearly opened something that you KNEW wasn't yours. Hey Op, does that $900 include shipping?

Do you know what a loss leader is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

The TV he found was a BLACK FRIDAY ad for a TV on sale at a loss leader price.

Educate yourself. He's trying to fuck this company out of the TV any way possible.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
The op tells us he found the same TV for $900. If this is true, and he can prove it, I cannot see why the company would not accept this price and be done the it. Something here just ain't right. BTW OP, the company owes you nothing for repackaging, you clearly opened something that you KNEW wasn't yours. Hey Op, does that $900 include shipping?

Do you know what a loss leader is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

The TV he found was a BLACK FRIDAY ad for a TV on sale at a loss leader price.

Educate yourself. He's trying to fuck this company out of the TV any way possible.

BF prices are rarely pricematched. If they were, why would people line up for 4 days to get a certain deal? They could buy the item the day before and then pricematch it the next day.

Some people just don't understand the real world. We should all save a copy of this thread to reference when trading in FS/FT.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: runzwithsizorz
The op tells us he found the same TV for $900. If this is true, and he can prove it, I cannot see why the company would not accept this price and be done the it. Something here just ain't right. BTW OP, the company owes you nothing for repackaging, you clearly opened something that you KNEW wasn't yours. Hey Op, does that $900 include shipping?

IT WAS A BF DEAL!!! AND HE OFFERED THEM $810, calculating 10% off because it was "open box." HE FUCKING OPENED THE MOTHERFUCKING BOX HIMSELF!!!

If, for any reason you think that this is somehow a legitimate offer from the OP, then you should remove yourself from any kind of bargaining interactions in the future.

They offered him $600 off, which is more than fair.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
Ok interesting twist... I just called the CSR of this company and he said they've refunded the price I paid on the 32" and reinforced that they want the 46" back.

He even went so far as to say if I keep the 46" that I'm stealing!

I laughed at him and hung up.

What should I do? Keep the money... and the 46" LCD... man how stupid can this company be.

If you want to learn the hard way, keep the TV and the money. If you wan't to do things the right way and avoid prison, then send the TV back and then purchase the original TV you intended to.

Prison? he will not be going to any prison.

while possible it is highly doubtfull he will.

but what will happen if he keps is he will ruin his credit, get sued, wages garnished and be out a LOT of money in the long run.

Wrong, he never agreed to pay for this tv as such they can't ruin his credit. A simple debt verification letter to collection agency will keep them from doing anything to his credit. If they sue him, they still have to provide evidence that he agreed to pay for this tv, which he didn't. So his credit will be fined, his wages will not be gardnished and all of you can continue dreaming that something bad will happen to him if he keeps the tv.

Yes, believe the Iraq kid with the 2.whatever GPA with a BS in finance (BS - pun intended!) who can't find a job, who's so fucking lazy that he won't do jury duty or fill out his census. Search through his threads and you'll find out what a lowlife he is.

The idiot is not even smart enough to realize that he thinks the court system doesn't have proof that he was sent a letter for jury duty, yet he post on AT about how he got it and he's going to ignore it because they don't have proof. Funny when you think about how someone can send that to the CA court system and let them know.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...202073&highlight_key=y

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/jury/

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
Ok interesting twist... I just called the CSR of this company and he said they've refunded the price I paid on the 32" and reinforced that they want the 46" back.

He even went so far as to say if I keep the 46" that I'm stealing!

I laughed at him and hung up.

What should I do? Keep the money... and the 46" LCD... man how stupid can this company be.

If you want to learn the hard way, keep the TV and the money. If you wan't to do things the right way and avoid prison, then send the TV back and then purchase the original TV you intended to.

Prison? he will not be going to any prison.

while possible it is highly doubtfull he will.

but what will happen if he keps is he will ruin his credit, get sued, wages garnished and be out a LOT of money in the long run.

Wrong, he never agreed to pay for this tv as such they can't ruin his credit. A simple debt verification letter to collection agency will keep them from doing anything to his credit. If they sue him, they still have to provide evidence that he agreed to pay for this tv, which he didn't. So his credit will be fined, his wages will not be gardnished and all of you can continue dreaming that something bad will happen to him if he keeps the tv.

Yes, believe the Iraq kid with the 2.whatever GPA with a BS in finance (BS - pun intended!) who can't find a job, who's so fucking lazy that he won't do jury duty or fill out his census. Search through his threads and you'll find out what a lowlife he is.

The idiot is not even smart enough to realize that he thinks the court system doesn't have proof that he was sent a letter for jury duty, yet he post on AT about how he got it and he's going to ignore it because they don't have proof. Funny when you think about how someone can send that to the CA court system and let them know.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...202073&highlight_key=y

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/jury/

LoL. nice catch. should add that to the "scroll"

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
Ok interesting twist... I just called the CSR of this company and he said they've refunded the price I paid on the 32" and reinforced that they want the 46" back.

He even went so far as to say if I keep the 46" that I'm stealing!

I laughed at him and hung up.

What should I do? Keep the money... and the 46" LCD... man how stupid can this company be.

If you want to learn the hard way, keep the TV and the money. If you wan't to do things the right way and avoid prison, then send the TV back and then purchase the original TV you intended to.

Prison? he will not be going to any prison.

while possible it is highly doubtfull he will.

but what will happen if he keps is he will ruin his credit, get sued, wages garnished and be out a LOT of money in the long run.

Wrong, he never agreed to pay for this tv as such they can't ruin his credit. A simple debt verification letter to collection agency will keep them from doing anything to his credit. If they sue him, they still have to provide evidence that he agreed to pay for this tv, which he didn't. So his credit will be fined, his wages will not be gardnished and all of you can continue dreaming that something bad will happen to him if he keeps the tv.

The company has evidence that he acknowledged receiving the item.

They also have evidence that he is refusing to return the incorrect item even after they refunded the original charges and have offered to pay the shipping charges.

Any court (and they will find one) will cost him $$ to defend himself.
He has no leg to stand on inholding onto the 42" unit and not returning it.

All they have to do is file in small claims court using the evidence that the OP presented to us.
The court will rule in favor of the company that the OP should either pay the list price for the unit or return it. And the OP is now also responsibile for the court costs.
Now the OP is under a court order to pay up.
the company can use a debt collection agency or use their own system.
Credit report gets dinged, the op can not refute the court order.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
Ok interesting twist... I just called the CSR of this company and he said they've refunded the price I paid on the 32" and reinforced that they want the 46" back.

He even went so far as to say if I keep the 46" that I'm stealing!

I laughed at him and hung up.

What should I do? Keep the money... and the 46" LCD... man how stupid can this company be.

If you want to learn the hard way, keep the TV and the money. If you wan't to do things the right way and avoid prison, then send the TV back and then purchase the original TV you intended to.

Prison? he will not be going to any prison.

while possible it is highly doubtfull he will.

but what will happen if he keps is he will ruin his credit, get sued, wages garnished and be out a LOT of money in the long run.

Wrong, he never agreed to pay for this tv as such they can't ruin his credit. A simple debt verification letter to collection agency will keep them from doing anything to his credit. If they sue him, they still have to provide evidence that he agreed to pay for this tv, which he didn't. So his credit will be fined, his wages will not be gardnished and all of you can continue dreaming that something bad will happen to him if he keeps the tv.

The company has evidence that he acknowledged receiving the item.

They also have evidence that he is refusing to return the incorrect item even after they refunded the original charges and have offered to pay the shipping charges.

Any court (and they will find one) will cost him $$ to defend himself.
He has no leg to stand on inholding onto the 42" unit and not returning it.

All they have to do is file in small claims court using the evidence that the OP presented to us.
The court will rule in favor of the company that the OP should either pay the list price for the unit or return it. And the OP is now also responsibile for the court costs.
Now the OP is under a court order to pay up.
the company can use a debt collection agency or use their own system.
Credit report gets dinged, the op can not refute the court order.

Ye good luck to them.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

Why should he? The company screwed up and not him. They should shut up and have kept the money for 32 inch. Now they don't have the money and he is keeping the tv, so they get nothing.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

And all the company had to was take responsibility for its mistakes and not try and pass it onto another person.

 

[theblackbox]

wouldn't it be funny if someone broke into the OPs house and stole the tv.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

Why should he? The company screwed up and not him. They should shut up and have kept the money for 32 inch. Now they don't have the money and he is keeping the tv, so they get nothing.

The troll is strong with this one.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: looker001


Why should he? The company screwed up and not him. They should shut up and have kept the money for 32 inch. Now they don't have the money and he is keeping the tv, so they get nothing.

He screwed up by being a dink on the phone to them. Do you think they didn't want to handle this the easy way?

Why are you involved in this? Have the mods checked to make sure this isn't the OP's second account?

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: looker001


Why should he? The company screwed up and not him. They should shut up and have kept the money for 32 inch. Now they don't have the money and he is keeping the tv, so they get nothing.

He screwed up by being a dink on the phone to them. Do you think they didn't want to handle this the easy way?

Why are you involved in this? Have the mods checked to make sure this isn't the OP's second account?

No i am not op and no i don't know him...sorry

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

And all the company had to was take responsibility for its mistakes and not try and pass it onto another person.

They are trying to take responsibility. They refunded his money and sent him a shipping label. WTF do you assholes want more? Should they fly someone out personal to your precious little house to do everything for you because you're an inconsiderate first rate asshole who can't just use common courtesy to help in fixing a mistake? Are you so self absorbed and think the planet should revolve around you that you can't simply be a good person and try not to fuck over a company for over a thousand dollars because of a mistake? You sound like a quality person. Lord knows NO ONE SHOULD EVER inconvenience you in the least and that you are god like and never make mistakes. You should pay dearly for all your mistakes accordingly.

Grow the hell up. Act like a decent human being and send back the TV. It would take him less time to fix the problem than to come on ATOT and bitch about it for several days. This ahole is doing nothing more than trying to get something for free. Period. Karma is a bitch and hopefully it?ll pay him back in spades.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: looker001


Why should he? The company screwed up and not him. They should shut up and have kept the money for 32 inch. Now they don't have the money and he is keeping the tv, so they get nothing.

He screwed up by being a dink on the phone to them. Do you think they didn't want to handle this the easy way?

Why are you involved in this? Have the mods checked to make sure this isn't the OP's second account?

How did he screw up on the phone? Nothing he said or did makes a bit of difference.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

And all the company had to was take responsibility for its mistakes and not try and pass it onto another person.

They are trying to take responsibility. They refunded his money and sent him a shipping label. WTF do you assholes want more? Should they fly someone out personal to your precious little house to do everything for you because you're an inconsiderate first rate asshole who can't just use common courtesy to help in fixing a mistake? Are you so self absorbed and think the planet should revolve around you that you can't simply be a good person and try not to fuck over a company for over a thousand dollars because of a mistake? You sound like a quality person. Lord knows NO ONE SHOULD EVER inconvenience you in the least and that you are god like and never make mistakes. You should pay dearly for all your mistakes accordingly.

Grow the hell up. Act like a decent human being and send back the TV. It would take him less time to fix the problem than to come on ATOT and bitch about it for several days. This ahole is doing nothing more than trying to get something for free. Period. Karma is a bitch and hopefully it?ll pay him back in spades.

How does canceling the OP original order mater at all? They had to either ship the TV that was ordered or refund the OP the money. It would be illegal for them to do otherwise.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: looker001


Why should he? The company screwed up and not him. They should shut up and have kept the money for 32 inch. Now they don't have the money and he is keeping the tv, so they get nothing.

He screwed up by being a dink on the phone to them. Do you think they didn't want to handle this the easy way?

Why are you involved in this? Have the mods checked to make sure this isn't the OP's second account?

How did he screw up on the phone? Nothing he said or did makes a bit of difference.

Holy shit. you are an amazing piece of work. Many PhDs in Neurology would be awarded through studying you.

EDIT: allright, enough of the damn black guy avatar. I keep confusing you and looker.
either way, comment still applies here. The evidence is posted throughout OT.

 

[Synomenon]

Common courtesy would have been setting up a pickup for the package at the beginning after the OP called them instead of just giving him the return label and asking him to drop it off.

Nice to see that ATOT has so many legal and business experts though...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

And all the company had to was take responsibility for its mistakes and not try and pass it onto another person.

They are trying to take responsibility. They refunded his money and sent him a shipping label. WTF do you assholes want more? Should they fly someone out personal to your precious little house to do everything for you because you're an inconsiderate first rate asshole who can't just use common courtesy to help in fixing a mistake? Are you so self absorbed and think the planet should revolve around you that you can't simply be a good person and try not to fuck over a company for over a thousand dollars because of a mistake? You sound like a quality person. Lord knows NO ONE SHOULD EVER inconvenience you in the least and that you are god like and never make mistakes. You should pay dearly for all your mistakes accordingly.

Grow the hell up. Act like a decent human being and send back the TV. It would take him less time to fix the problem than to come on ATOT and bitch about it for several days. This ahole is doing nothing more than trying to get something for free. Period. Karma is a bitch and hopefully it?ll pay him back in spades.

How does canceling the OP original order mater at all? They had to either ship the TV that was ordered or refund the OP the money. It would be illegal for them to do otherwise.

They refunded the money that the OP paid for the 32", apparently once the 42" unit arrived, the OP did not want anything to do with the 32" unit.
The OP has indicated that he does not want the 42" at the price that they are offerering.
They have provided a mechanism for him to ship back the 42" unit.
He has refused to ship the unit back.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My thoughts are that there are some people who honestly can't see that their actions affect the rest of the world. They only look at the immediate consequences and aren't able to look at the big picture. Its probably a product of the Nanny State world we are living in. No need for personal responsibility or accountability. Just do what's good for you and let someone else deal with the rest of the world.

It is funny you whine about personal responsibility like it is somehow the OP's responsibility to clean up the Company's mistake.

All he had to do was put the prepaid shipping label on the unopened box they sent him. That's not too much to ask. I am sure they would have even given him a credit as a courtesy for doing so.

And all the company had to was take responsibility for its mistakes and not try and pass it onto another person.

They are trying to take responsibility. They refunded his money and sent him a shipping label. WTF do you assholes want more? Should they fly someone out personal to your precious little house to do everything for you because you're an inconsiderate first rate asshole who can't just use common courtesy to help in fixing a mistake? Are you so self absorbed and think the planet should revolve around you that you can't simply be a good person and try not to fuck over a company for over a thousand dollars because of a mistake? You sound like a quality person. Lord knows NO ONE SHOULD EVER inconvenience you in the least and that you are god like and never make mistakes. You should pay dearly for all your mistakes accordingly.

Grow the hell up. Act like a decent human being and send back the TV. It would take him less time to fix the problem than to come on ATOT and bitch about it for several days. This ahole is doing nothing more than trying to get something for free. Period. Karma is a bitch and hopefully it?ll pay him back in spades.

How does canceling the OP original order mater at all? They had to either ship the TV that was ordered or refund the OP the money. It would be illegal for them to do otherwise.

They refunded the money that the OP paid for the 32", apparently once the 42" unit arrived, the OP did not want anything to do with the 32" unit.
The OP has indicated that he does not want the 42" at the price that they are offerering.
They have provided a mechanism for him to ship back the 42" unit.
He has refused to ship the unit back.

No, he was willing to ship back if the company was willing to have shipping company pick up the tv from his house. USPS seems not offer such service for such big product so they wanted him to drive to post offic eand do it him self which he refused.