any laws on the topic? I was sent the wrong item from a business via mail, do I have to ship it back?

[mortong]

Originally posted by: Steve
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Ooh, it's like a practical experiment in law.

 

[Boo Boo]

comeon just toss the dead horse out from under the bridge

 

[Turkish]

Reading this thread disgusts me. How people can be so cheap to look for a way to keep something that is not theirs is beyond me. You may have the temptation to keep it and that is fine, but temptations are temporary in nature and logic has to kick in at some point. Trying to screw someone or a company by taking advantage of a good faith mistake, regardless how you word it, is absolutely pathetic and I hope I will never have to deal with any of you who has advised him to keep it. Get a grip on reality you fucktards. This is not Africa where you are starving for food and someone accidentally shipped you a truck full of groceries. :roll:

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: Turkish
Reading this thread disgusts me. How people can be so cheap to look for a way to keep something that is not theirs is beyond me. You may have the temptation to keep it and that is fine, but temptations are temporary in nature and logic has to kick in at some point. Trying to screw someone or a company by taking advantage of a good faith mistake, regardless how you word it, is absolutely pathetic and I hope I will never have to deal with any of you who has advised him to keep it. Get a grip on reality you fucktards. This is not Africa where you are starving for food and someone accidentally shipped you a truck full of groceries. :roll:

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

You're correct this is not Africa, however that do not mean we want to pay more then we have to for a product. I have no problem taking advantage of company mistake. The way i see it, if i bought a product in store and by accident walked out with different product for the price of the cheaper product, will i have to return this product? The company sent him wrong product and now they want it back. They should eat the mistake and not try to get customer to return the product.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: looker001
OP just keep the tv and forget about this issue. Nothing will happen to you, this is such a small value that no prosecutor will care about this case(regardless if you violate the law or not), the company will just do bad debt write off and will also forget about you. You will never be able to shop from that store again as you will be black listed.

Enjoy your new tv

Yeah, that's what a good scumbag does.

Survival of the fittest

you don't even know what "fittest" mean.

Social Darwinism is a misapplied concept, that only fools evoke. crackpots and dilettantes are the only ones who misunderstand natural selection enough to infer the improper definition of fitness that supports Social Darwinism.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Turkish
Reading this thread disgusts me. How people can be so cheap to look for a way to keep something that is not theirs is beyond me. You may have the temptation to keep it and that is fine, but temptations are temporary in nature and logic has to kick in at some point. Trying to screw someone or a company by taking advantage of a good faith mistake, regardless how you word it, is absolutely pathetic and I hope I will never have to deal with any of you who has advised him to keep it. Get a grip on reality you fucktards. This is not Africa where you are starving for food and someone accidentally shipped you a truck full of groceries. :roll:

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

You're correct this is not Africa, however that do not mean we want to pay more then we have to for a product. I have no problem taking advantage of company mistake. The way i see it, if i bought a product in store and by accident walked out with different product for the price of the cheaper product, will i have to return this product? The company sent him wrong product and now they want it back. They should eat the mistake and not try to get customer to return the product.

English is not your first language is it

 

[herrjimbo]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: looker001
OP just keep the tv and forget about this issue. Nothing will happen to you, this is such a small value that no prosecutor will care about this case(regardless if you violate the law or not), the company will just do bad debt write off and will also forget about you. You will never be able to shop from that store again as you will be black listed.

Enjoy your new tv

Yeah, that's what a good scumbag does.

Survival of the fittest

you don't even know what "fittest" mean.

Social Darwinism is a misapplied concept, that only fools evoke. crackpots and dilettantes are the only ones who misunderstand natural selection enough to infer the improper definition of fitness that supports Social Darwinism.

in layman's terms

looker001 is an asshat

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Turkish
Reading this thread disgusts me. How people can be so cheap to look for a way to keep something that is not theirs is beyond me. You may have the temptation to keep it and that is fine, but temptations are temporary in nature and logic has to kick in at some point. Trying to screw someone or a company by taking advantage of a good faith mistake, regardless how you word it, is absolutely pathetic and I hope I will never have to deal with any of you who has advised him to keep it. Get a grip on reality you fucktards. This is not Africa where you are starving for food and someone accidentally shipped you a truck full of groceries. :roll:

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

You're correct this is not Africa, however that do not mean we want to pay more then we have to for a product. I have no problem taking advantage of company mistake. The way i see it, if i bought a product in store and by accident walked out with different product for the price of the cheaper product, will i have to return this product? The company sent him wrong product and now they want it back. They should eat the mistake and not try to get customer to return the product.

Because in your perfect little world, nobody ever makes a mistake, right?

Look, once again, the company offered him the chance to ship it back and they woud have shipped him the correct TV. But no, the OP as Amused and others clearly said before, changed his side of the story once already and now tries to make it look like the company has not tried to cooperate.

You know what, I am not pissed off at the OP. He had a dilemna and you cheapos advised him towards the ethically and morally wrong. I hope this is a specific case where people like yourself got together by chance and this is not what most ATOTers are.

however that do not mean we want to pay more then we have to for a product

Do you have insider information that we don't? You are basically suggesting that everyone should, through any possible way, try to get something for as low as possible regardless of how that may affect a service provider's finances whether there's a preagreed deal or not. I don't think it is ever possible for you to run a business with your ethical standards, but if you do, I hope you get screwed big time.

Assholes.

 

[Greenman]

The OP announced he's a liar and a thief, and seems to be OK with that. I very much doubt recriminations will change what he is, so accept it, but also remember it every time you read one of his posts.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Turkish
Reading this thread disgusts me. How people can be so cheap to look for a way to keep something that is not theirs is beyond me. You may have the temptation to keep it and that is fine, but temptations are temporary in nature and logic has to kick in at some point. Trying to screw someone or a company by taking advantage of a good faith mistake, regardless how you word it, is absolutely pathetic and I hope I will never have to deal with any of you who has advised him to keep it. Get a grip on reality you fucktards. This is not Africa where you are starving for food and someone accidentally shipped you a truck full of groceries. :roll:

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

You're correct this is not Africa, however that do not mean we want to pay more then we have to for a product. I have no problem taking advantage of company mistake. The way i see it, if i bought a product in store and by accident walked out with different product for the price of the cheaper product, will i have to return this product? The company sent him wrong product and now they want it back. They should eat the mistake and not try to get customer to return the product.

Because in your perfect little world, nobody ever makes a mistake, right?

Look, once again, the company offered him the chance to ship it back and they woud have shipped him the correct TV. But no, the OP as Amused and others clearly said before, changed his side of the story once already and now tries to make it look like the company has not tried to cooperate.

You know what, I am not pissed off at the OP. He had a dilemna and you cheapos advised him towards the ethically and morally wrong. I hope this is a specific case where people like yourself got together by chance and this is not what most ATOTers are.

however that do not mean we want to pay more then we have to for a product

Do you have insider information that we don't? You are basically suggesting that everyone should, through any possible way, try to get something for as low as possible regardless of how that may affect a service provider's finances whether there's a preagreed deal or not. I don't think it is ever possible for you to run a business with your ethical standards, but if you do, I hope you get screwed big time.

Assholes.

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works. If the tv company wanted to get the tv back, they should have arrange for a shipping company to pick up tv from his house. Instead, they want him to take it to the post office and wait in line. Thanks but no thanks. Plus what can the company really do to him, chances are nothing. No prosecutor going to charge him, it will cost the city more then it's worth it. Basically the only thing might happen to him is getting blacklisted.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: DrPizza
smackdown & looker, perhaps it'll help if you understand the intent of the law, as it relates to the post office. The intention of that law is that it prevents companies from just sending stuff to people out of the blue, then charging them for the items, else insisting they send them back. That is NOT the case this time. It's been explained numerous times & the actual laws that relate to this case have been posted.

At this point, I can't figure out if you two are dumb as rocks, or if you're just trolling.

edit: now that it's been mentioned, smack down was one of those who insisted the plane wouldn't take off. I guess that answers my question.

Also, I can't recall if it's really been mentioned, but I question that it was actually sent through USPS in the first place, or if the OP is just lying. (he's already been caught contradicting himself in this thread.)

for all anybody knows, the OP could have just made the whole thing up.

That was actually my first thought upon reading the thread. How fucking incompetent is the shipping department to ship a 46 inch television instead of a 32 inch? There is just a tad bit of difference...like box size, weight, etc....BUT, incompetence does seem to be more common than it used to be, so...

IF the OP is telling the truth...I'll bet some of the shipping crew is looking for a new job before this is over.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So, did the OP ever provide any proof of anything (as in any of this actually happened)? I read the OP some time ago and immediately discarded it as him just making shit up. A pretty quick run through of the thread has done nothing to sway that original opinion.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I think that has been pretty well established at this point.

I mean, he gave us gems like this:

...if i bought a product in store and by accident walked out with different product for the price of the cheaper product...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Crap. You can take what you learned in college from the socialist, anti-capitalist professors, put it in one hand, shit in the other hand and see which is worth more. I know, I have an MBA myself. Most worthless time I ever wasted, but it did open my eyes to a few things.

I can tell you this: In the last 18 years I was in business, shifty business owners always did worse than ones who were ethical.

Why? Trust. You lose the trust of your employees, customers and suppliers, you may as well just pull out because you'll NEVER grow.

So tell me, school boy. WTF makes you think you know a god damned thing about the business world if you've never even owned a business???

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Crap. You can take what you learned in college from the socialist, anti-capitalist professors, put it in one hand, shit in the other hand and see which is worth more. I know, I have an MBA myself. Most worthless time I ever wasted, but it did open my eyes to a few things.

I can tell you this: In the last 18 years I was in business, shifty business owners always did worse than ones who were ethical.

Why? Trust. You lose the trust of your employees, customers and suppliers, you may as well just pull out because you'll NEVER grow.

So tell me, school boy. WTF makes you think you know a god damned thing about the business world if you've never even owned a business???

The fact that i can keep straight face while lying through my teeth. If you always honest, it takes way to long to get where you want to go. Easiest path is a direct line.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Well, as a finance major with a MBA myself. Your attitude will get you no where.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Crap. You can take what you learned in college from the socialist, anti-capitalist professors, put it in one hand, shit in the other hand and see which is worth more. I know, I have an MBA myself. Most worthless time I ever wasted, but it did open my eyes to a few things.

I can tell you this: In the last 18 years I was in business, shifty business owners always did worse than ones who were ethical.

Why? Trust. You lose the trust of your employees, customers and suppliers, you may as well just pull out because you'll NEVER grow.

So tell me, school boy. WTF makes you think you know a god damned thing about the business world if you've never even owned a business???

The fact that i can keep straight face while lying through my teeth. If you always honest, it takes way to long to get where you want to go. Easiest path is a direct line.

Where exactly does one put that on the resume'?

And you guys called me cynical for my view on Corporate Criminals.... Here's one still wet behind the ears, already planning on fleecing his "clients".
With any luck, he'll be fast tracked at The Fed, and he can suck from the Big Tit and he'll become lazy and bloated and will forget about ripping off little old ladies individually.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Crap. You can take what you learned in college from the socialist, anti-capitalist professors, put it in one hand, shit in the other hand and see which is worth more. I know, I have an MBA myself. Most worthless time I ever wasted, but it did open my eyes to a few things.

I can tell you this: In the last 18 years I was in business, shifty business owners always did worse than ones who were ethical.

Why? Trust. You lose the trust of your employees, customers and suppliers, you may as well just pull out because you'll NEVER grow.

So tell me, school boy. WTF makes you think you know a god damned thing about the business world if you've never even owned a business???

The fact that i can keep straight face while lying through my teeth. If you always honest, it takes way to long to get where you want to go. Easiest path is a direct line.

Except, intelligent/knowledgeable people will see right thru you and get rid of you like yesterday's trash.

Sounds like you're lining yourself up for a great career in the used auto business or as a Best Buy salesman.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Crap. You can take what you learned in college from the socialist, anti-capitalist professors, put it in one hand, shit in the other hand and see which is worth more. I know, I have an MBA myself. Most worthless time I ever wasted, but it did open my eyes to a few things.

I can tell you this: In the last 18 years I was in business, shifty business owners always did worse than ones who were ethical.

Why? Trust. You lose the trust of your employees, customers and suppliers, you may as well just pull out because you'll NEVER grow.

So tell me, school boy. WTF makes you think you know a god damned thing about the business world if you've never even owned a business???

The fact that i can keep straight face while lying through my teeth. If you always honest, it takes way to long to get where you want to go. Easiest path is a direct line.

Keep thinking that. The business world is little different than the social world. As soon as you are known as a thief and a liar, people will treat you accordingly.

Being ethical and honest, I built a business from one fast food franchise, into 23 stores, all fully paid for and profitable. I sold them last year and retired at 41.

Let's see how well you're doing in 20 years. Bankrupt and/or prison is my guess.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Crap. You can take what you learned in college from the socialist, anti-capitalist professors, put it in one hand, shit in the other hand and see which is worth more. I know, I have an MBA myself. Most worthless time I ever wasted, but it did open my eyes to a few things.

I can tell you this: In the last 18 years I was in business, shifty business owners always did worse than ones who were ethical.

Why? Trust. You lose the trust of your employees, customers and suppliers, you may as well just pull out because you'll NEVER grow.

So tell me, school boy. WTF makes you think you know a god damned thing about the business world if you've never even owned a business???

The fact that i can keep straight face while lying through my teeth. If you always honest, it takes way to long to get where you want to go. Easiest path is a direct line.

You've got to be kidding me. Being a good liar will make your career move fast right up until someone catches on to you. Then it evaporates faster than you can blink. The only way to reach the top and stay there is to build a mountain of reliability, integrity, competence, and honesty underneath you. Whatever you do to make money, you get to keep doing it because someone trusts you to do it. Remember that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: smack Down

Except that the law makes no mention of the terms "prior business relationship" or "good-faith error."

(d) For the purposes of this section, ?un­ordered merchandise? means merchandise mailed without the prior expressed request or consent of the recipient.

Ordering a TV is "prior expressed request," even though the correct TV was not delivered.

Where does it stop then? Can anyone ship someone anything if they ordered any product from them? What if I order a new razor and they ship me a refrigerator? Am I then responsible for shipping the refrigerator back and possibly throwing out my back?

I want to know why people have trouble with reading comprehension????
dude the OP ordered a 32 in TV,,,, a 46 in TV was shipped by mistake!
The company offered to pay for shipping and sending the TV back.....

To answer your question -- YES you responsible for shipping the refrigerator back!!
If your example was not so stoopid I would take the time to tell you that whatever company ships the REFER back will also make sure that you will not have to even lift the REFER if you communicate with them and tell them why.

Also knowingly signing for merchadise that you did NOT order is stealing!! Plain and simple!!
The judge will look you in the eyes and attempt to speak to you in between his uncontrollable laughter and crying, finally the judge will say -- razor == REFER......hahahhaa how did you expect to pick the damn think up to shave with anyhow???



rofl...

 

[herrjimbo]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: looker001

You don't make any money if you are ethical in business. Everyone cheats, everyone lies, that is how business world works.

As a very successful and now retired business owner I must say: This is complete and utter bullshit.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess not and i am about to get finance degree...this is the new generation of business people.

Crap. You can take what you learned in college from the socialist, anti-capitalist professors, put it in one hand, shit in the other hand and see which is worth more. I know, I have an MBA myself. Most worthless time I ever wasted, but it did open my eyes to a few things.

I can tell you this: In the last 18 years I was in business, shifty business owners always did worse than ones who were ethical.

Why? Trust. You lose the trust of your employees, customers and suppliers, you may as well just pull out because you'll NEVER grow.

So tell me, school boy. WTF makes you think you know a god damned thing about the business world if you've never even owned a business???

The fact that i can keep straight face while lying through my teeth. If you always honest, it takes way to long to get where you want to go. Easiest path is a direct line.

i apologize, i made a huge error in judgement.

you realy are a class act, no doubt about it.

 

[Leafy]

Yes, you are stealing. Yes, you should send it back. It *may* not come back to bite you in the ass, depending on how much more it costs. If it's less than the filing fee for the small claims court, then you should be fine.