"In reality, it will amount to 20 years of appeals and an execution in 2023 when no one even remembers the case any more."
McVeigh without remorse as execution carried out
McVeigh without remorse as execution carried out
- Bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Timothy McVeigh was executed June 12, 2001.
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I'm not saying all execution sentences are right, becasue they aren't(Look at Illinois death row reevaluation for example!). And I'm not saying that all executions should be carried out 10 minutes after the sentencing, because I'm not saying that either.
But there are many cases where there is undeniable and undisputable(is that a word?) evidence - caught on tape, seen by a crowd of people, self admission, ect where it shouldn't take 10 years for it to be carried out, and cost the state taxpayers 1.5 million to do it.
I don't look at the death penalty as some sort twisted retribution or pleasure. I see it as the permanent removal from society. You killed someone. You know what happens when you get caught. As a taxpayer, I don't want to have to pay to support your ass in jail.
But there are many cases where there is undeniable and undisputable(is that a word?) evidence - caught on tape, seen by a crowd of people, self admission, ect where it shouldn't take 10 years for it to be carried out, and cost the state taxpayers 1.5 million to do it.
I don't look at the death penalty as some sort twisted retribution or pleasure. I see it as the permanent removal from society. You killed someone. You know what happens when you get caught. As a taxpayer, I don't want to have to pay to support your ass in jail.
Neither one of them will probably ever be put to death. The Govt will use some excuse like they want to monitor their unusual brains until they die naturally. Of course this means we all will be paying to keep them alive as well as the monitoring
Actually, slowly and painfully isn't what they showed thier victims. They all died from a single gunshot wound.
Bullshit! One kid is STILL in serious condition and at least a few victims died in a hospital later. The victim's famililies ought to have some input on how this POS dies! :frown:
Good point, but he chose not to appeal his conviction IIRC and even then it took 6 years to kill him. There are cases where things move along in an expedient fashion, but the majority don't. If there were some way to get around this and whack psychos like these guys within a year (instead of sheltering and feeding them for the remainder of their lives) I'd be all for it. It just doesn't work that way.
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Not to completely derail this thread, but another beef I have is people getting sentences bumped down because of compeltely retarded technicalities.
Example: A guy who was the head of the School of Medicine at the U of Iowa was stabbed and killed by his wife with a parry knife a couple years back. They are just now getting to the trials and whatnot. Anywhoo, she's looking at getting a lighter sentence because and I quote "The blade was shorter than 5" long". I'm dead serious. She's getting a lesser sentence because of some retarded thing like that. She stabbed him, he's dead, but she's getting off lighter because she grabbed the parry knife instead of the steak knife.
aaarrrrg!
Example: A guy who was the head of the School of Medicine at the U of Iowa was stabbed and killed by his wife with a parry knife a couple years back. They are just now getting to the trials and whatnot. Anywhoo, she's looking at getting a lighter sentence because and I quote "The blade was shorter than 5" long". I'm dead serious. She's getting a lesser sentence because of some retarded thing like that. She stabbed him, he's dead, but she's getting off lighter because she grabbed the parry knife instead of the steak knife.
aaarrrrg!
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They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and if the states were the crimes were commited have the death penalty then that should be a consideration. I'm not going to give these wankers any more consideration than they are due because they aren't worth the time and effort. I'm sure not gonna get all red faced like Ornery about it.
Put him in a jail courtyard. Say "Some time in the next month, we will kill you, and you won't see it coming." Three weeks later, pop him in the chest with fragmenting ammo. Cruel? Yup. Unusual? Very. Just and fitting? Perfectly.
Do it to the 17-yr-old too. By 17 (hell, by 6 you should know you aren't supposed to kill people)
Do it to the 17-yr-old too. By 17 (hell, by 6 you should know you aren't supposed to kill people)
This is from the 11th, before the military and their hardware were involved:
Manhunt May Cost Millions of Dollars
Manhunt May Cost Millions of Dollars
- "But there have been events of comparable scope, such as the 1992 Los Angeles riots, when police amassed $12.9 million in overtime, and the city's emergency service costs exceeded $2 million a day."
$40K is way too much to incarcerate these two dirtbags for each year of the rest of their life. These snipers put a cheap price on thelives on each of their victims. We should be able to put a cheap prices on their lives - to the tune of a 50 cent .223 round. Or, if it's too hard to fund a .223 round, then get a bucket of stones and let a group of us practice some "speed pitching."
"Thou shalt not kill."
-God
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
-Gandalf
-God
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
-Gandalf
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Ornery you are against spanking Ornery children but advocate the death penalty? Perhaps if this guy would have learned right from wrong with a little negetive re-enforcement when he was a younster we would'nt be where we are today. I think tanning someones hide is bad but it's a lot better then killing them. I vote no on the state killing people at thier mercy or in jail.
So these two guys are will eventually and unintentionally help Frodo cast the One Ring back into Mount Doom? Cool.
Actually he decided after 6 years to forgo his remaining appeals. He was halfway through the appeals process when he fired his lawyer and went to the judge to forgo the rest of his appeals if I recall correctly.
Originally posted by: Fausto1
It'll happen. Someone invariably adds a "I hope Convicted Bad Person X enjoys his daily upper colonics compliments of Bubba during his jail term." comment to threads like this. It's this barely-repressed homoerotic undercurrent of ATOT that really keeps me coming back on a daily basis.
"I hope Convicted Bad Person X enjoys his daily upper colonics compliments of Bubba during his jail term."
There, happy?
I say just let them loose on the streets of DC. During rush hour. Then turn around.
No lengthy proceedings, no bullsh1t, no problem.
Oh, nice one Jellomancer, equating God to Gandalf. I'm sure he's pleased with that.
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Originally posted by: Fausto1
It'll happen. Someone invariably adds a "I hope Convicted Bad Person X enjoys his daily upper colonics compliments of Bubba during his jail term." comment to threads like this. It's this barely-repressed homoerotic undercurrent of ATOT that really keeps me coming back on a daily basis.
LMAO !!!
--LANMAN
"And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself" (Deuteronomy 20:13-14).
Gandalf!
"...against spanking Ornery children but advocate the death penalty?"
There are MUCH better ways to discipline kids. There is no better way to avenge the deaths of these murderer's victims!
Gandalf!
"...against spanking Ornery children but advocate the death penalty?"
There are MUCH better ways to discipline kids. There is no better way to avenge the deaths of these murderer's victims!
Some liberal congress-critter was actually advocating reducing the sentences of some folks on death-row, because they had been there for so long already. He said that a guy spending 20 years on death-row is enough punishment.
SCREW DAT!!!!
Those folks could have reduced the amount of time spent on death-row very easily if they hadn't committed the crime in the first place. Failing that, they just stop appealing. It won't be long before they are no longer locked in a little cell on death-row. Do the crime, do the time.
Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man."
Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder."
Exodus 21:12 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee. 14 "But if a man acts with premeditation against his neighbor, to kill him by treachery, you shall take him from My altar, that he may die."
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