Anti-Obesity Ad

[surfsatwerk]

Then you need to go out and teach all of us who have never seen this marvel of reality and objective fact!

Pro tip. Because something is mathematically possible or could in theory happen does not mean it does. These people who just accidently overeat themselves into 500lbs aren't seen. There's an underlying disease process present.

While 500lbs may be an extreme, I think there are too people who are morbidly obese waddling around to believe the problem is entirely medical.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I would get sick because I eat a normal amount if food in a given day. This doesn't happen over night, these people work up to the calories they eat. It is not because of some metabolism disorder ( obviously some people have a disorder, but we haven't suddenly gotten fat in this country because everyone developed a metabolism disorder in the last 3 decades).

There's about eleventy billion reasons why the general population is gaining weight, but the annoying thing is the simplistic approach and "well we all know" folk. What we do know is that people have metabolic "set points" and appetite is a mechanism which the body uses to maintain a given weight, but it's not something which is set in stone. I can make the smart asses here gain weight easily just by making their dinner plate larger. That's it, and guess what, plates are larger. Portions are larger. The psychological aspects of weight are complex and are far more pervasive and influential than most people realize, but even so there are generally limits. There's a vast qualitative difference between an insidious gain of 20 lbs and weighing a quarter ton. Think about this. Someone is limping around because they pulled something and kept on running. You and another guy are looking at this thinking "well that wasn't too bright". Then someone else goes by with one leg amputated. The other guy smugly yells " Hey you dope, why didn't you stop running sooner", then looks around for approval. Don't be the other guy.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I never understood the "Big Is Beautiful" movement.

Sure, lets avoid shaming and hurt the feelings of the obese,.. but, do you really have to announce you look great? Because, you don't. Furthermore, your body is being harmed by being big - there is nothing beautiful about being in pain, because you can't stop eating.

Feel good about yourself, but there is no need to force others to view you in a better light by announcing it,.. when you clearly are not.

 

[Fritzo]

I'm sorry. I didn't know you were a medical professional with an understanding of the complex subject of human metabolism, and the resultant phenomenon of appetite, satiety and associated feedback mechanisms. How long have you been practicing?

Don't listen to him. This happens anytime the issue of weigh comes up here.

 

[darkewaffle]

These people who just accidently overeat themselves into 500lbs aren't seen.

Probably because they can't leave the house! *rimshot*

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Probably because they can't leave the house! *rimshot*

I think it's more of a, he hasn't stayed in a hospital for a decent period of time. Saw plenty of people who weighed at least 400 pounds.

The complete and total lack of knowledge as to how food and weight were linked was obvious.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I disagree, people slowly increase what they eat, the feedback mechanisms respond later and later because they're saturated with stimulus, insulin is off the charts every ounce of excess calories is converted to fat, they go from 2000 calories to 2500 calories then add in a soda or 2 a day that takes them to around 3000 - which if their weight holding steady at 2000 calories this would be added a pound of fat every 3.5 days, or 100lbs in a year if their BMR is constant. Over time they're not longer satisfied with 3000 calories or they get busy and stop cooking at home and eat out more often and they're up to 4,000+ calories a day. Do this for a years slowing eating more and before you know it you're severely obese and your body is so wrecked that there isn't a lot you can do about it reversing it naturally.

Again this is a conflation of two issues. What you describe is well known and part of what's happening. The assumption on the part of many is that this is an open ended and unlimited thing when it isn't. I know a clinician who was treating someone as part of a study who was 600+ under controlled lab conditions. When I say controlled, think imprisoned. No sneaking of food. No "well I really do exercise an hour a day"! Every morsel weighed. Every movement measured. This went on for 12 days and the participant was fed 900 calories. "The Book" says he needed X number of calories to maintain weight under those conditions and he should have lost several pounds. He gained almost two and that comes to what I'm talking about. When we get into a couple or more times ideal weight "The Book" goes out the window and trying to make an equivalent between them and normal population is ridiculous, but some will try.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

While 500lbs may be an extreme, I think there are too people who are morbidly obese waddling around to believe the problem is entirely medical.

Never said otherwise.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Again this is a conflation of two issues. What you describe is well known and part of what's happening. The assumption on the part of many is that this is an open ended and unlimited thing when it isn't. I know a clinician who was treating someone as part of a study who was 600+ under controlled lab conditions. When I say controlled, think imprisoned. No sneaking of food. No "well I really do exercise an hour a day"! Every morsel weighed. Every movement measured. This went on for 12 days and the participant was fed 900 calories. "The Book" says he needed X number of calories to maintain weight under those conditions and he should have lost several pounds. He gained almost two and that comes to what I'm talking about. When we get into a couple or more times ideal weight "The Book" goes out the window and trying to make an equivalent between them and normal population is ridiculous, but some will try.

They better get that man to CERN because when physicists are trying to figure out the mysteries of the universe and the properties of energy and matter and creation, they won't need to spend billions of dollars building telescopes and particle accelerators.

They will just need to take one look at that guy and then go on to update their resumes because they will have finally found the answer as to how everything came from nothing.

 

[purbeast0]

Again this is a conflation of two issues. What you describe is well known and part of what's happening. The assumption on the part of many is that this is an open ended and unlimited thing when it isn't. I know a clinician who was treating someone as part of a study who was 600+ under controlled lab conditions. When I say controlled, think imprisoned. No sneaking of food. No "well I really do exercise an hour a day"! Every morsel weighed. Every movement measured. This went on for 12 days and the participant was fed 900 calories. "The Book" says he needed X number of calories to maintain weight under those conditions and he should have lost several pounds. He gained almost two and that comes to what I'm talking about. When we get into a couple or more times ideal weight "The Book" goes out the window and trying to make an equivalent between them and normal population is ridiculous, but some will try.

this is absolutely 100% bullshit. there is absolutely no way that someone weighting 600+ pounds ate 900 calories a day for 12 days and gained 2. 100% bullshit.

 

[Pantlegz]

Again this is a conflation of two issues. What you describe is well known and part of what's happening. The assumption on the part of many is that this is an open ended and unlimited thing when it isn't. I know a clinician who was treating someone as part of a study who was 600+ under controlled lab conditions. When I say controlled, think imprisoned. No sneaking of food. No "well I really do exercise an hour a day"! Every morsel weighed. Every movement measured. This went on for 12 days and the participant was fed 900 calories. "The Book" says he needed X number of calories to maintain weight under those conditions and he should have lost several pounds. He gained almost two and that comes to what I'm talking about. When we get into a couple or more times ideal weight "The Book" goes out the window and trying to make an equivalent between them and normal population is ridiculous, but some will try.

I'll agree that once the damage has been done it can be very difficult to reverse but that doesn't mean that everyone has a medical condition in order to get as large as some people are getting. I would be willing to bet that in most cases the individuals insulin sensitivity is so off that it could take months before it resembles normal. Obviously there are other hormones to take into consideration too but for 99.9999% of the population they're not out of whack before they get obese. I know there are special cases and not everything works the way we think it does and I don't have the answer for these people losing weight but if it's not gained in the first place it's not something we need to worry about, which is what the ad seems to be hinting at. Rather than looking for a away to reverse the problem lets eliminate it by making more healthy choices everyday to prevent it from being a problem in the first place.

 

[Pantlegz]

this is absolutely 100% bullshit. there is absolutely no way that someone weighting 600+ pounds ate 900 calories a day for 12 days and gained 2. 100% bullshit.

At 600 lbs water retention would play a huge role in how much they weigh. I know that my weight can move a good 5-10 lbs a day just in water weight at a healthy 260lbs. At 600lbs, the fluid retained could easily out weigh any fat loss over a longer period of time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

this is absolutely 100% bullshit. there is absolutely no way that someone weighting 600+ pounds ate 900 calories a day for 12 days and gained 2. 100% bullshit.

Thank you for your considered expert opinion based on your ignorance. Let me guess, you think blacks are lazy, stupid and criminal because you read some statistics. Well, 50 years ago yes you would have been. Might still.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They better get that man to CERN because when physicists are trying to figure out the mysteries of the universe and the properties of energy and matter and creation, they won't need to spend billions of dollars building telescopes and particle accelerators.

They will just need to take one look at that guy and then go on to update their resumes because they will have finally found the answer as to how everything came from nothing.

Let me guess. You spent a lot of time in hospitals. Was it bedpans or cleaning the floors?

 

[purbeast0]

Thank you for your considered expert opinion based on your ignorance. Let me guess, you think blacks are lazy, stupid and criminal because you read some statistics. Well, 50 years ago yes you would have been. Might still.

wtf are you even talking about? you are the one who "knows someone" who did that study and provided some ridiculously false claim without any proof of it, not me. great strawman argument you got going on there.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At 600 lbs water retention would play a huge role in how much they weigh. I know that my weight can move a good 5-10 lbs a day just in water weight at a healthy 260lbs. At 600lbs, the fluid retained could easily out weigh any fat loss over a longer period of time.

More than likely there was variance in water retention, but he should still have lost weight. There's this poorly understood (here at least) concept of energy intake and output. One of the analogies is that of a car, where if you increase the work load for a given engine the fuel requirement goes up and so it does. If the car were to have an expandable tank and you fed fuel at a fixed rate, greater than the vehicle can use, it would get "fat", and so it would.

Well people aren't cars and metabolism varies not only from person to person but with the same individual. Using the car analogy the engine varies in size or more precisely efficiency. Take someone like the person I mentioned and cut their intake and their system adapts. The exact mechanism of how this happens isn't precisely understood (if it were then we'd be working on a targeted approach), but measuring intakes vs weight change leaves no doubt it's real. Obviously the specific case I used is extreme and rare in degree, but with the ultra obese it's how it is.

It's kind of funny in a train wreck way to read these threads. Years ago alcoholism is exclusively a moral failing. It was simply a matter of choosing to be a drunk and there was no arguing with it. Well most people (who knows about here) understand that there is more to it than that. To be sure there are people who abuse alcohol and do not act responsibility. There are people who decide to willfully over consume however there are those who have a physiological disorder which draws them to it and it's a lifelong battle. Some never make it and the end result is tragic. Obesity? It's even worse. Some of the best people in medicine have spent their lives trying to work it out and so far too much remains uncertain.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

wtf are you even talking about? you are the one who "knows someone" who did that study and provided some ridiculously false claim without any proof of it, not me. great strawman argument you got going on there.

You just made a strawman argument.

Welcome to the world and here's how it works. I don't have to document every detail of what I know. When I attend a seminar of people who deal with these problems I don't take down every minute detail with references, although I have them somewhere in the handouts. Now you are free to not believe anything I say and I'm not obliged to find you an understanding, something you wouldn't want anyway. For those who are interested they can find information on metabolism and they'll learn it's not set in stone. I did say that my example was extreme, but it was an illustration to demonstrate the phenomenon. That you don't get it isn't my problem.

Please, feel free to go around and swear on a stack of ramen noodles that two people eating the same food and doing the same amount of exercise will demonstrate the exact physiological response because none of us know naturally thin or heavy people and just can't be because of the Higgs particle or whatever you were appealing to in a completely unrelated field.

Since you don't want to be informed there's really no purpose in continuing this discussion so adios!

 

[Exterous]

“Historically, people have had the [mistaken] idea that being obese is a choice that people make,” he said.

:hmm:

I disagree, people slowly increase what they eat, the feedback mechanisms respond later and later because they're saturated with stimulus, insulin is off the charts every ounce of excess calories is converted to fat, they go from 2000 calories to 2500 calories then add in a soda or 2 a day that takes them to around 3000 - which if their weight holding steady at 2000 calories this would be added a pound of fat every 3.5 days, or 100lbs in a year if their BMR is constant. Over time they're not longer satisfied with 3000 calories or they get busy and stop cooking at home and eat out more often and they're up to 4,000+ calories a day. Do this for a years slowing eating more and before you know it you're severely obese and your body is so wrecked that there isn't a lot you can do about it reversing it naturally.

I used to weight more than I do now and thats how it was for me. I can't eat nearly as much as I used to so it seems like some sort of body response was muted or the triggers moved to allow for greater caloric intake. Even now if I eat too much on a vacation I notice getting hungrier more easily when I get back or a change in what amount of food I can ingest before feeling 'full'.

While I am sure there are exceptions and people who have genuine medical problems they are surely the minority given that wide spread obesity is a recent issue

 

[Slew Foot]

some people in this thread have failed thermodynamics.

 

[justoh]

Lets do some fun math.

64 calories per shot. Which means you would need to drink 156 shots a day to get 10,000 calories.

So drinking 156 shots in 24 hours yields a BAC of 1.706. 20 times the legal limit. You would be dead.

Alternatively you could drink 65 beers per day yielding a BAC of only 0.473. Unfortunately you may very well be dead.

http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

What's your point? Do you mean to say that we should increase the legal limit in order to save more lives?

 

[nehalem256]

What's your point? Do you mean to say that we should increase the legal limit in order to save more lives?

I am saying it is physically impossible to consume 10,000 calories of alcohol per day.

 

[justoh]

I am saying it is physically impossible to consume 10,000 calories of alcohol per day.

I think the point of of this thread is that we shouldn't be consuming 10 000 calories per day of anything. Fatty.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

some people in this thread have failed thermodynamics.

It's a matter of understanding a system and proper application.

 

[purbeast0]

It's a matter of understanding a system and proper application.

neither of which you understand.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I am saying it is physically impossible to consume 10,000 calories of alcohol per day.

Clearly you've never had a batch of my famous "Lard Daiquiris." And all kidding aside, drinks like piña coladas have 600 calories per serving; I could see somebody putting away 15-20 of those in a day if they felt so inclined (the thought of which just made me vomit a little). So yeah, you're not going to get to 10,000 solely in calories from alcohol, but alcoholic beverages? You could make it happen.