Another Year of Segregated Proms

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
What about:

BET
Negro College Fund
Miss Black America Pagent

Are those racist?

owned.

Not really. These organizations were created in response to racism, not because of it.

BET has and continues to cater to a market that was and is ignored by other stations. Are you objecting to the word "Black" in its' name? That's really petty. There are millions of white and otherwise nonblack viewers of BET. I wonder how many black people watch CMT.

The UNCF was created in 1944, when black students could only attend Black Colleges and Universities (a few black people got into "white schools" but they were a very small minority). The UNCF still serves Historically Black Colleges and Universities, and provides scholarships to students of all races and ethnicities. Once again, are you just objecting to the word "Negro" in the name?

Miss Black America and other black pageants were created because white pageants excluded blacks, and still exist because mainstream standards of beauty value light skin, European features and thinner body types. If you look at the black winners of the mainstream Miss America pageant, you'll notice that they have lighter skin, more European features and are thinner than the winners of Miss Black America. Look at these women; many of them would not be very successful in mainstream pageants because of their African features.

Let me end by saying that I'm against all pageants. We should stop valuing women on their appearances.

So you would be ok if someone created the WET (White Entertainment Television) channel? I mean black people could still watch it and all.

Are you saying "Negro" does not equal a black person? Negro College Fund.. Black College Fund..same thing.

There is not a Miss White America Pageant nor has there even been (in name). And just because you think many dark skinned black people would not be very successful in a mainsteam pageant doesnt make it right to create a Miss Black America Pageant.

I do agree with you on the pageants suck front. They are retarded.

These organizations are not black-only. BET is owned by Viacom, a company run by white people. I bet that BET has hundreds of white employees. Millions of white people watch it.

The UNCF services Historically Black Colleges and Universities. The key word is "Historically." These institutions have many nonblack students. The UNCF gives scholarships to nonblacks.

Black pageants exist because of racism in mainstream pageants. For many years, black people were barred from mainstream pageants. Do you not understand why someone would create their own institution if they were unwelcome in the existing institutions? I'm pretty sure that whites are welcome in black pageants, but choose not to enter them.

You are just arguing against the words "Black" or "Negro" in the titles of these institutions. If BET was called Hip Hop Rhythm and Blues Gospel Entertainment Network, but had the exact same programming, would you still be against it?

 

[mstersmith]

Private money is used to sponsor it so why is it an issue?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Private money is used to sponsor it so why is it an issue?

So you're not supposed to be against racism if it's private racism?

 

[mstersmith]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Private money is used to sponsor it so why is it an issue?

So you're not supposed to be against racism if it's private racism?

Free Speech is still Free Speech. If they want a privately funded segregated prom that?s up to them. If they threw a party and only whites were invited would you sound the rallying call then? If the school held a publicly funded prom would that make you happy? I find it highly unlikely any one on either side would attend it. Is it racist? Yes. Is it illegal? No.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
What about:

BET
Negro College Fund
Miss Black America Pagent

Are those racist?

owned.

Not really. These organizations were created in response to racism, not because of it.

BET has and continues to cater to a market that was and is ignored by other stations. Are you objecting to the word "Black" in its' name? That's really petty. There are millions of white and otherwise nonblack viewers of BET. I wonder how many black people watch CMT.

The UNCF was created in 1944, when black students could only attend Black Colleges and Universities (a few black people got into "white schools" but they were a very small minority). The UNCF still serves Historically Black Colleges and Universities, and provides scholarships to students of all races and ethnicities. Once again, are you just objecting to the word "Negro" in the name?

Miss Black America and other black pageants were created because white pageants excluded blacks, and still exist because mainstream standards of beauty value light skin, European features and thinner body types. If you look at the black winners of the mainstream Miss America pageant, you'll notice that they have lighter skin, more European features and are thinner than the winners of Miss Black America. Look at these women; many of them would not be very successful in mainstream pageants because of their African features.

Let me end by saying that I'm against all pageants. We should stop valuing women on their appearances.

So you would be ok if someone created the WET (White Entertainment Television) channel? I mean black people could still watch it and all.

Are you saying "Negro" does not equal a black person? Negro College Fund.. Black College Fund..same thing.

There is not a Miss White America Pageant nor has there even been (in name). And just because you think many dark skinned black people would not be very successful in a mainsteam pageant doesnt make it right to create a Miss Black America Pageant.

I do agree with you on the pageants suck front. They are retarded.

These organizations are not black-only. BET is owned by Viacom, a company run by white people. I bet that BET has hundreds of white employees. Millions of white people watch it.

The UNCF services Historically Black Colleges and Universities. The key word is "Historically." These institutions have many nonblack students. The UNCF gives scholarships to nonblacks.

Black pageants exist because of racism in mainstream pageants. For many years, black people were barred from mainstream pageants. Do you not understand why someone would create their own institution if they were unwelcome in the existing institutions? I'm pretty sure that whites are welcome in black pageants, but choose not to enter them.

You are just arguing against the words "Black" or "Negro" in the titles of these institutions. If BET was called Hip Hop Rhythm and Blues Gospel Entertainment Network, but had the exact same programming, would you still be against it?

No i would not be against it then. But they are definatly saying they are a channel for black people and trying to represent what they think black people would want to see.

Im not a racist person im just trying to bring up the point to you that things black people do are just as racist as white people can be. I personally dont care if someone is racist. It is their right to be if that is what they want. If they want to hate someone just based on the color of their skin so be it. I dont understand it, but who am i to judge. I do have a problem if their is out right violent behavior or what they do is harmful to them. But having an all white prom is no different then having a mens only club. It is their preference and right to do that. Just as im equally fine with an all black prom.

 

[OCGuy]

Why would someone want to go to a party where they arent wanted anyway?

Are the black kids really that interested in hanging out with prejudice white kids?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: mstersmith

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: mstersmith
Private money is used to sponsor it so why is it an issue?

So you're not supposed to be against racism if it's private racism?

Free Speech is still Free Speech. If they want a privately funded segregated prom that?s up to them. If they threw a party and only whites were invited would you sound the rallying call then? If the school held a publicly funded prom would that make you happy? I find it highly unlikely any one on either side would attend it. Is it racist? Yes. Is it illegal? No.

You should probably have read the thread and the article before posting.

Every point you brought up has already been addressed in this thread, in fact I've addressed them myself. Specifically I have already said exactly what you just did: it's not illegal for them to do it, they are just racists for doing so. It sucks to have to repeat myself.

As for your ideas as to who would come to an all inclusive prom, well the 'black prom' has always been open to everyone, as mentioned in the article.

 

[seemingly random]

These racial rationalization threads seem to bring out remnants of hideous treatment of races and excuses for it. I wonder if it's truly remnants - kids of racists parents/role models - or if it's a human trait that will always exist in some small form. As with murderous people and other social miscreants, racists need to be kept in check. They'll always squeal and claim unfair treatment but this will have to be ignored. While a foot is kept on the necks of the racists, an eye will have to kept on others who might take advantage.

Here in southern georgia, the attitudes are what I imagine existed a hundred years ago - albeit without the lynchings (murders). This is not to say that there aren't good people here, I just never thought I'd live in an area where the n-word is used casually on a daily basis - sometimes in front of blacks. This is also not to say that the south is the only area populated with racists. Some people will always try to elevate themselves by belittling others.

I weep for some of my white brethren (some blacks too) with their pitiful excuses, rationalizations and deflections.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Red state... not surprised. I remember when Alabama finally completely removed their anti-miscegenation laws in 2000. The south always lags behind when it comes to progress.

Yet we are ahead in the curve when it comes to economics. Oh well.

Let's not forget this tiny, teeny little nugget of information In Mount Vernon, GA, prom is a private party financed and organized by parents.
It's a private event, If the blacks and whites had a problem with it, they don't have to go. The school isn't discriminating, the students that attended this prom segregated themselves.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Heritage, not hate! Same reason South Carolina still flew the Stars and Bars over their capitol building until recently. My wife is a transplant to SC and it's an ongoing sick joke with our families now every time we see a restaurant there that still has a sign up saying "No coloreds served here," or similar.

My question has always been: if it's not hate, why would you want to maintain such a heritage?

Why would you want to maintain your cultural heritage if you moved here from Mexico? Or Russia or China? It's your family's heritage and just because other people take offense to one aspect of it does it mean that it is completely wrong.
I hope you're not the type that thinks the Civil War was just about slavery. It was about States Rights first and foremost. While true the South wanted to keep slavery because it was part of their economic engine, they didn't want people thousands of miles away making laws based on their morals and enforcing them on someone else that doesn't belive in the same morals.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Phokus
Red state... not surprised. I remember when Alabama finally completely removed their anti-miscegenation laws in 2000. The south always lags behind when it comes to progress.

Yet we are ahead in the curve when it comes to economics. Oh well.

Let's not forget this tiny, teeny little nugget of information In Mount Vernon, GA, prom is a private party financed and organized by parents.
It's a private event, If the blacks and whites had a problem with it, they don't have to go. The school isn't discriminating, the students that attended this prom segregated themselves.

Everyone already knows that. Read the thread.

This is about lingering Racism and the insidiousness therein. No one is suggesting Jail, National Gaurd, Church/State/etc, yadda ya.

It's the Morally Bankrupt Social Condition of those involved that's being discussed.

 

[Munky]

If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Yes, there is a moral obligation not to be a racist.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Red Herrings and Strawmen oh my.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull
You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours. I'm sure acceptable standards in your community others would call unacceptable.

I didn't expect you to be a moral relativist.

And what moral grounds do I stand on? You don't know. All you know is I didn't drink your kool aid and now you have to insult me in hopes of creating a wolf pack to force me to reiterate your moral position.

And I don't expect you to be a strong believer in personal freedoms, comrade.

:roll: That act is tired.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Yes, there is a moral obligation not to be a racist.

Morality is a personal choice, you can't force your morals on someone else.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Yes, there is a moral obligation not to be a racist.

Morality is a personal choice, you can't force your morals on someone else.

Please, read a book.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism?

If Blacks were only allowed to attend and other races were prohibited you bet, that would be racist. I would never attend any function that excluded people because of their race.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why do blacks insist on being included in events that whites are involved in? Screw them. Just do your own thing and let the Whites have their boring parties with crap music. Besides, what the blacks should do is invite all the other minorities to their prom and maybe try to book some famous black hip hop artist and have a great time. Who needs whites to have fun? Hell most of them are boring with a bad sense of humor.

Republicans.txt

Dude you kill me with that! :laugh:

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Yes, there is a moral obligation not to be a racist.

Morality is a personal choice, you can't force your morals on someone else.

Please, read a book.

Take your own advice.

 

[dali71]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Yes, there is a moral obligation not to be a racist.

Morality is a personal choice, you can't force your morals on someone else.

Please, read a book.

Take your own advice.

There's no reasoning with yusef. He condemns racism, but supports reverse discrimination. He also asked for an example of a modern American organization that excluded whites, then conveniently ignored me when I mentioned the Congressional Black Caucus. Even other blacks on this forum have a problem with his inconsistency, so take that for what it's worth.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Yes, there is a moral obligation not to be a racist.

Morality is a personal choice, you can't force your morals on someone else.

Please, read a book.

Take your own advice.

Let's all read a Book!

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Phokus
Red state... not surprised. I remember when Alabama finally completely removed their anti-miscegenation laws in 2000. The south always lags behind when it comes to progress.

Yet we are ahead in the curve when it comes to economics. Oh well.

Let's not forget this tiny, teeny little nugget of information In Mount Vernon, GA, prom is a private party financed and organized by parents.
It's a private event, If the blacks and whites had a problem with it, they don't have to go. The school isn't discriminating, the students that attended this prom segregated themselves.

Everyone already knows that. Read the thread.

This is about lingering Racism and the insidiousness therein. No one is suggesting Jail, National Gaurd, Church/State/etc, yadda ya.

It's the Morally Bankrupt Social Condition of those involved that's being discussed.

That's your opinion of it. Who is to say your morals are better than someone elses?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: munky
If the blacks held a blacks-only private party, would anyone cry racism? So why should whites be ashamed to hold a whites-only party? Because "da white devil be keepin' me down?" Equality swings both ways. The whites are most likely friends with other whites, and if they want to hold a private party, they are under no legal or moral obligation to invite blacks.

Yes, there is a moral obligation not to be a racist.

What's racist about wanting to associate with people like yourself? Grow up, If you want to live in a free society, YOU have to accept that people are different and have different views.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Phokus
Red state... not surprised. I remember when Alabama finally completely removed their anti-miscegenation laws in 2000. The south always lags behind when it comes to progress.

Yet we are ahead in the curve when it comes to economics. Oh well.

Let's not forget this tiny, teeny little nugget of information In Mount Vernon, GA, prom is a private party financed and organized by parents.
It's a private event, If the blacks and whites had a problem with it, they don't have to go. The school isn't discriminating, the students that attended this prom segregated themselves.

Everyone already knows that. Read the thread.

This is about lingering Racism and the insidiousness therein. No one is suggesting Jail, National Gaurd, Church/State/etc, yadda ya.

It's the Morally Bankrupt Social Condition of those involved that's being discussed.

That's your opinion of it. Who is to say your morals are better than someone elses?

Ya, bring back Slavery cause maybe we're all Wrong! :roll: