Another Year of Segregated Proms

[FaaR]

Originally posted by: brandonbBut its ok... There's racists everywhere, and on both sides of the fence. It's ok, really. Its human evolution 4 million years. W're trying to erase that instinct in ... 40 years.

It's not really a case of racism being race pitted against race per se. It is more about sociology than anything else, since humans are tribal creatures they can band together and fight other humans for any reason as long as those others are percieved as "outsiders".

The OT of the bible is full of descriptions of the isreaelites fighting other groups of people etc. Does anyone believe those people looked any different than the israelites themselves? Of course not, they all lived in the same tiny little geographical region, they likely all had the same ancestors within a hundred generations or so.

Football hooligans happily band together and fight supporters of the opposite team, that's not a matter of one color of skin vs. another either. It's merely us, vs. them. "Us" and "Them" being rather arbitrarily chosen terms.

 

[BrownTown]

The school I went to had a similar thing. IT wasn't the prom, but there was a big dance (alot more money spent on it then high school prom) and all of the black and asian kids were just sort of never invited. Not to mention every single waiter was black which just kinds looks suspicious.

But TBH its not just stuff like that, I was just going threw the airports today and EVERY single janitor, food salesman, etc was black despite the fact that 90% of the people flying were white. It looks VERY racist I guess, but really its a class thing, Where I went to high school it was the certain set of familys who hosted that dance for 100+ years, so obviously back then there were no black kids in the school. Same for the airport, its jsut the poor people working as janitors or waitstaff because they dotn make crap. meanwhile the people flying are at leat middle class to be spending a few hundred bucks just to see someone over memorial day, so that means they are mostly white.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

No religious institution should be exempt from taxes or receive any kind of special treatment in my opinion.

I agree in principle, but in practice regulating, taxing, and auditing religions in America would open up a nightmare of first amendment issues. I think the cure would be worse than the disease.

Only because private property rights have been relegated to "just a formality" in today's society.

 

[DealMonkey]

Stupid racist redneck fsckwads. Go figure, GA. :roll:

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Stupid racist redneck fsckwads. Go figure, GA. :roll:

Got accidentally invited to a "black" party once. By there actions, they told me to GTFO. Stupid racist hiphop thug fsckwads. Go figure, Southside chicago, IL :roll:

 

[teclis1023]

Well, clearly a "black only" or "white only" party is grounded on racist ideology. I don't really think there can be much argument about that. Perhaps it's not meant maliciously...I have no idea. But according to the dictionary definition of racism, it is racist.

But, you know, it is a private party...and whether we like it or not, I think it's within the rights of the party organizers to be selective about who they invite. It doesn't mean we have to like it or approve of it.

The question is, what is there to be done? I don't think the government has the power to step in and stop it, nor would I condone something like that. But clearly the party IS causing feelings of dissatisfaction among black individuals. I noticed a big difference between the black responses and white responses when it came to how people viewed the parties. Of course, they only showed like 4 interviews, which isn't enough to truly understand the situation.

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to the question. If the white kids want to go to their party, it's not particularly fair to stop them or discourage them.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Stupid racist redneck fsckwads. Go figure, GA. :roll:

Got accidentally invited to a "black" party once. By there actions, they told me to GTFO. Stupid racist hiphop thug fsckwads. Go figure, Southside chicago, IL :roll:

If you say so.

 

[OutHouse]

jesus Harly (chick in slide show) is fricken hot!! and she and her mom look like sisters.

there is no school sponosred prom so each race has their own prom. whats the problem again? no issue here if either race wanted to include the other there is nothing preventing them in doing so.

Now if you want to see racism take a look at all the hispanic hate crimes against black in LA. no news agency is talking about it because it a "peope of color killing people of color" if it was a bunch of white dude murdering black people the news would be all over it.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
My High School in Louisiana had separate proms, and as far as I know, still does. There's always some "cross-polination" between the two, and no one minds either way, so even though it sounds kinda weird, I'm guessing there's no harm done.

No one seems upset with the setup. *shrug*

:roll:

what a stupid response.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: n yusef
If any of you read the article, you would know that white and black students were friends, and interacted with each other in school every day. It would be silly for an integrated school to segregate prom as a safety measure. In case you haven't heard, millions of white people listen to hip hop music.

Racial segregation of prom is racism. Period. It's ridiculous that anyone would try to defend it.

and how many black kids want to hear rock at their prom?

 

[theeedude]

Not much the government can do, since it is a private party, but I wouldn't want to associate with people who attend whites only proms, if I was a university or an employer.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Stupid racist redneck fsckwads. Go figure, GA. :roll:

Got accidentally invited to a "black" party once. By there actions, they told me to GTFO. Stupid racist hiphop thug fsckwads. Go figure, Southside chicago, IL :roll:

If you say so.

yea, the party wasn't anything special at all.. it was a bowling party.... racist... don't hate just because someone's not black and doesn't wear baggy pants.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Not much the government can do, since it is a private party, but I wouldn't want to associate with people who attend whites only proms, if I was a university or an employer.

would you associate with people who attend a black only party? or how about a hispanic asian only party? why is it only wihte people who are the racist?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: senseamp
Not much the government can do, since it is a private party, but I wouldn't want to associate with people who attend whites only proms, if I was a university or an employer.

would you associate with people who attend a black only party? or how about a hispanic asian only party? why is it only wihte people who are the racist?

No, I would not associate with them either. They have freedom of association, and so do I. If I am hiring and I google a candidate up and see they attended white/black/etc only prom, their resume goes in the trash.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
A lot of "segregated" proms are because the different races want to listen to different music. The majority of whites want to hear rock or the latest emo hits, and the majority of blacks want to hear rap and hip hop. Of course, as usual, this is construed by some to be repression by the white occupation forces.

This would be my answer.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

Can you provide an example of a modern American space or organization that excludes whites? Supremacist groups with four members like the New Black Panther Party don't count.

What about:

BET
Negro College Fund
Miss Black America Pagent

Are those racist?

 

[piasabird]

Why should black people be forced to get down to the beach boys?

Why should white people be forced to boogie to rap music?

Why should you care about some stupid prom that no not will care about one week after school ends???

How is this different than naming February Black History Month?

Maybe we should be forced to have a Klu Kux Klan history month?

I think both are equally silly.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Why should black people be forced to get down to the beach boys?

Why should white people be forced to boogie to rap music?

Why should you care about some stupid prom that no not will care about one week after school ends???

How is this different than naming February Black History Month?

If you read the article, you would know that segregated proms are a decades-old tradition in the South. If this was about music preferences, then there would be a hip-hop prom and a rock prom. There's a whites-only prom and a black-but-everyone's-welcome prom, and there has been for decades, since before rap music, or rock music for that matter, were invented. This is obviously not about music, but about racist tradition.

Students in the article claimed that they were friends--best friends even--with people of a different race, but weren't allowed to attend prom with each other (well, the white student could have attended the black prom. . . .).

Yes, "Black History Month" is stupid. Black history is American history, and shouldn't be relegated to one month of the year. It's the same for "Women's History Month" in March and all the other "History Months" that exist.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

Can you provide an example of a modern American space or organization that excludes whites? Supremacist groups with four members like the New Black Panther Party don't count.

What about:

BET
Negro College Fund
Miss Black America Pagent

Are those racist?

owned.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
What about:

BET
Negro College Fund
Miss Black America Pagent

Are those racist?

owned.

Not really. These organizations were created in response to racism, not because of it.

BET has and continues to cater to a market that was and is ignored by other stations. Are you objecting to the word "Black" in its' name? That's really petty. There are millions of white and otherwise nonblack viewers of BET. I wonder how many black people watch CMT.

The UNCF was created in 1944, when black students could only attend Black Colleges and Universities (a few black people got into "white schools" but they were a very small minority). The UNCF still serves Historically Black Colleges and Universities, and provides scholarships to students of all races and ethnicities. Once again, are you just objecting to the word "Negro" in the name?

Miss Black America and other black pageants were created because white pageants excluded blacks, and still exist because mainstream standards of beauty value light skin, European features and thinner body types. If you look at the black winners of the mainstream Miss America pageant, you'll notice that they have lighter skin, more European features and are thinner than the winners of Miss Black America. Look at these women; many of them would not be very successful in mainstream pageants because of their African features.

Let me end by saying that I'm against all pageants. We should stop valuing women on their appearances.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
What about:

BET
Negro College Fund
Miss Black America Pagent

Are those racist?

owned.

Not really. These organizations were created in response to racism, not because of it.

BET has and continues to cater to a market that was and is ignored by other stations. Are you objecting to the word "Black" in its' name? That's really petty. There are millions of white and otherwise nonblack viewers of BET. I wonder how many black people watch CMT.

The UNCF was created in 1944, when black students could only attend Black Colleges and Universities (a few black people got into "white schools" but they were a very small minority). The UNCF still serves Historically Black Colleges and Universities, and provides scholarships to students of all races and ethnicities. Once again, are you just objecting to the word "Negro" in the name?

Miss Black America and other black pageants were created because white pageants excluded blacks, and still exist because mainstream standards of beauty value light skin, European features and thinner body types. If you look at the black winners of the mainstream Miss America pageant, you'll notice that they have lighter skin, more European features and are thinner than the winners of Miss Black America. Look at these women; many of them would not be very successful in mainstream pageants because of their African features.

Let me end by saying that I'm against all pageants. We should stop valuing women on their appearances.

So you would be ok if someone created the WET (White Entertainment Television) channel? I mean black people could still watch it and all.

Are you saying "Negro" does not equal a black person? Negro College Fund.. Black College Fund..same thing.

There is not a Miss White America Pageant nor has there even been (in name). And just because you think many dark skinned black people would not be very successful in a mainsteam pageant doesnt make it right to create a Miss Black America Pageant.

I do agree with you on the pageants suck front. They are retarded.

 

[teclis1023]

^

Well, that's actually a pretty good response by n yusef.

 

[teclis1023]

See, there's just a huge difference that nobody seems to want to acknowledge, which is that white people created the race gap in America.

I mean, let's be honest here.

White Europeans came in and slaughtered the Native Americans (and then relegated the remaining few to land reserves)
Then white people forcefully brought over black people and treated them as slaves.
Even when slavery was over, black people continued to receive horribly unequal treatment from not only society, but government as well.

So when everyone complains about black-only organizations, they're really missing the point, which is that these black-only organizations have been created to fill a need. They were created by black community leaders to reach out to their communities which, otherwise, were neglected and mistreated by the white majority. White only proms, no matter what people claim, are racially motivated. They perpetuate years of unequal, horrible treatment by excluding black individuals for no reason other than their skin tone.

I'm certainly no fan of a lot of modern black culture, nor do I often find "n yusef" to be particularly well spoken; however, let's not beat around the bush. It's not my fault, as a white Amerian (well, ex-pat), that slavery happened. It's not anyone else's fault on these boards either. But at the same time, let's not pretend that we live in a racism-free world.

It's clearly the legal right to have a private 'white only' party. But it's a crappy, hurtful thing to do. These people should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
What about:

BET
Negro College Fund
Miss Black America Pagent

Are those racist?

owned.

Not really. These organizations were created in response to racism, not because of it.

BET has and continues to cater to a market that was and is ignored by other stations. Are you objecting to the word "Black" in its' name? That's really petty. There are millions of white and otherwise nonblack viewers of BET. I wonder how many black people watch CMT.

The UNCF was created in 1944, when black students could only attend Black Colleges and Universities (a few black people got into "white schools" but they were a very small minority). The UNCF still serves Historically Black Colleges and Universities, and provides scholarships to students of all races and ethnicities. Once again, are you just objecting to the word "Negro" in the name?

Miss Black America and other black pageants were created because white pageants excluded blacks, and still exist because mainstream standards of beauty value light skin, European features and thinner body types. If you look at the black winners of the mainstream Miss America pageant, you'll notice that they have lighter skin, more European features and are thinner than the winners of Miss Black America. Look at these women; many of them would not be very successful in mainstream pageants because of their African features.

Let me end by saying that I'm against all pageants. We should stop valuing women on their appearances.

So you would be ok if someone created the WET (White Entertainment Television) channel? I mean black people could still watch it and all.

Are you saying "Negro" does not equal a black person? Negro College Fund.. Black College Fund..same thing.

There is not a Miss White America Pageant nor has there even been (in name). And just because you think many dark skinned black people would not be very successful in a mainsteam pageant doesnt make it right to create a Miss Black America Pageant.

I do agree with you on the pageants suck front. They are retarded.

Why would you need a WET when basically all the major channels are WET (except in name)?

 

[Ackmed]

But having a black miss America pageant, is ok right?