Another Year of Segregated Proms

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

Did you forget the part of your post where you supported racially segregated neighborhoods? Or how you magically manage to live with urban whites while avoiding urban people of color?

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

Did you forget the part of your post where you supported racially segregated neighborhoods? Or how you magically manage to live with urban whites while avoiding urban people of color?

I don't "support" those neighborhoods. My contention is that most individuals prefer to be around others with similar backgrounds. In an ideal world, all neighborhoods would be mixed with people still maintaining traditions of their ancestors. We don't live in an ideal world. As per the prom, I was under the impression that (what I would call) a natural segregation of individuals took place so that the prom would be more enjoyable for all those involved and that people could go to either. It is still unfortunate in either case. I suggested the school put on its own prom (including both groups) to alleviate the current situation.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Fox5
Wait, so how is there a 'white' prom, and then a 'black, but anyone is allowed' prom? Shouldn't both proms be open to anyone who wants to go? I don't have too much of a problem with two proms serving two separate cultural groups, but if one prom really is white only, that's pretty messed up.

According to those involved, no one is disallowed from each prom. It is just that people go to one or the other. I don't see a problem with this as they are private. The school should throw its own prom though to counteract this.

This seems to me the same as racially segregated neighborhoods. People bitch and moan, but people like to be around others with the same backgrounds. I'm a loud, energetic, well-educated liberal. I want to be around other loud, energetic, well-educated, liberals. The majority of those tend to be white people in urban/suburban areas. That is where I want to live. I don't want to live in the boonies with lower-educated, rural whites; and I don't want to live in the inner-city with lower-educated, urban minorities.

First, you obviously didn't read the article; the white prom is "whites only." Second, you obviously aren't that liberal, or that bright. How do you live with "loud, energetic, well-educated, white liberals in urban areas" while avoiding the "lower-educated, urban minorities" from the "inner city"? Why do you think it's OK to assume that everyone with an identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from your own is "lower-educated?"

A real progressive wouldn't support racially segregated neighborhoods, or attempt to justify them as only education- or economic-based segregation. There is a long and ongoing history of "whites only" communities in this country. Just because you call yourself a liberal doesn't mean you are one, or that you aren't a racist.

I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

You coulda just said 'i'm not racist, my best friend is black!' (even if it's not true)

But my best friend is Latino :-(

The majority of the people I know are mixed race. We really don't worry about this shit.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull
What is your point of my support for female genital mutilation? How does that change that fact that I'm more comfortable with people that I relate to?

I don't live in a culture that supports female genital mutilation but I do live in society that supports male genital mutilation. I wonder how many people out there would stop that practice if they could?

You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours.

You think that cultural differences justify traditions, even those that violate the peoples' rights. FGM is a cultural tradition that violates peoples' rights. Do you support it as well?

@the bolded: I don't even know why I'm still arguing with a racist. "People that I relate to" is obviously code for "white people." I don't know why you assume that you relate to white people more than you relate to people of color. There are billions of people in the world, and to prejudge them all based on race is just stupid.

It was stupid of me to respond to you. I'll stop now.

I'm going to make an assumption that you are non-white. Your open hatred towards anyone you conclude is white makes you a racist of the high order because you cast the racist label on anyone that disagrees with your racists beliefs.

 

[dali71]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

Can you provide an example of a modern American space or organization that excludes whites? Supremacist groups with four members like the New Black Panther Party don't count.

How about the Congressional Black Caucus?

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Pretty much. I think that if you didn't come into this thread to post, "Rabble, rabble, rabble! I agree with n yusef!," you're not really welcome to participate in this "discussion."

Exactly!

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I don't "support" those neighborhoods. My contention is that most individuals prefer to be around others with similar backgrounds. In an ideal world, all neighborhoods would be mixed with people still maintaining traditions of their ancestors. We don't live in an ideal world. As per the prom, I was under the impression that (what I would call) a natural segregation of individuals took place so that the prom would be more enjoyable for all those involved and that people could go to either. It is still unfortunate in either case. I suggested the school put on its own prom (including both groups) to alleviate the current situation.

Segregated neighborhoods have always been oppressive, and your opinion of them, even if it isn't "support," is troubling. People may "prefer" to live with those with "similar backgrounds" as themselves, but should they have the right to enforce their "preference"? There was a time when every neighborhood of Manhattan except Harlem was unwelcoming to blacks. Black doctors and bankers had to live on with pimps and drug dealers. This ghettoization did and does not only happen to blacks, and it obviously is not unique to Manhattan.

This is not "natural segregation" (I didn't know that segregation was natural), it's a remnant of centuries of racism. In the New York Times article I posted, support for segregation came only from white parents and some white students, but I could understand that some black students may be relieved to separate themselves from the racism of their white classmates. That doesn't make segregation right, or mutually beneficial; it only reifies race. The idea that segregation is for the oppressed person's own good is paternalistic, racist and incorrect.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

Did you forget the part of your post where you supported racially segregated neighborhoods? Or how you magically manage to live with urban whites while avoiding urban people of color?

Who wants a bunch of white trash rednecks in their neighborhood? Do you n yusef?

I don't because I have nothing in common with them.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Pretty much. I think that if you didn't come into this thread to post, "Rabble, rabble, rabble! I agree with n yusef!," you're not really welcome to participate in this "discussion."

Exactly!

Oh no, the bigots feel oppressed!

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Hmm, what about Detroit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZi05MMkLxA

I stopped watching at 2:08 when the text, "Gimme a fucking break. White people did more with the continent of africa [sic] in a few hundred years than blacks had produced in 10,000," was displayed in response to the councilwoman's statement that Europeans raped Africa.

Just prior to that, the genocide of Native Americans was justified by the existence of Native reservations, casinos and college scholarships.

As far as I know, there is no segregation or exclusion of whites in Detroit.

EDIT: I just started the video back up, and the next text advocated Apartheid.

Ban.

Ya, I know the video seems filled with propaganda but I couldn't find the original with no author notes.


Also, I apologize for my white devil ancestors enslaving any black man they could and fed them to wolves after they could n longer work. I am also a white devil and I apologize for everything that I have done to the black race even though I can not think of one negative thing I did to them. I will tell my children that they must feel guilty every minute of their life for what their white devil ancestors did to the poor black folk.

Hmm, of course my family migrated here after slavery from Germany to escape the 1st World War, but according to "some", any white folk is racist no matter what.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Pretty much. I think that if you didn't come into this thread to post, "Rabble, rabble, rabble! I agree with n yusef!," you're not really welcome to participate in this "discussion."

Exactly!

Oh no, the bigots feel oppressed!

How about Cletus and his trailer full of white hillbillies pull up into your neighborhood? I bet you're all for segregation then.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How about Cletus and his trailer full of white hillbillies pull up into your neighborhood? I bet you're all for segregation then.

Not only are you a racist, you're a classist.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How about Cletus and his trailer full of white hillbillies pull up into your neighborhood? I bet you're all for segregation then.

Not only are you a racist, you're a classist.

Answer the question.

 

[n yusef]

I live in a big city, so I wouldn't notice or care if "white trash" (a problematic term) moved near me. And if I lived in the suburbs, I still wouldn't care. As long as my neighbor doesn't disturb me, I don't care what she looks like or how educated she is.

 

[dali71]

I find it amusing that n yusef is quick to decry any perceived racist behavior, but wholeheartedly endorses reverse discrimination. Read his comments on the New Haven Fire Department Supreme Court case to see what he's all about.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I live in a big city, so I wouldn't notice or care if "white trash" (a problematic term) moved near me. And if I lived in the suburbs, I still wouldn't care. As long as my neighbor doesn't disturb me, I don't care what she looks like or how educated she is.

Said nothing about education or looks.

So you don't want loud white people around you?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: n yusef
I live in a big city, so I wouldn't notice or care if "white trash" (a problematic term) moved near me. And if I lived in the suburbs, I still wouldn't care. As long as my neighbor doesn't disturb me, I don't care what she looks like or how educated she is.

Said nothing about education or looks.

So you don't want loud white people around you?

If my neighbors disturbed me I wouldn't want to live near them, but this has nothing to do with race or class.

Last month, my neighbor's house was under construction. I work from home a couple days a week, and the noise was annoying. It had nothing to do with him personally. Hammers and saws are loud.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Pretty much. I think that if you didn't come into this thread to post, "Rabble, rabble, rabble! I agree with n yusef!," you're not really welcome to participate in this "discussion."

Exactly!

Oh no, the bigots feel oppressed!

Amused is more like it.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Pretty much. I think that if you didn't come into this thread to post, "Rabble, rabble, rabble! I agree with n yusef!," you're not really welcome to participate in this "discussion."

Exactly!

Oh no, the bigots feel oppressed!

Now here's a poster whose opinion I value!

:laugh:

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Tradition born out of Morally Bankrupt Ideals is Tradition worth ending. It doesn't matter whether everyone seems ok about it, it's not OK by any Standards.

Killing babies?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sandorski
Tradition born out of Morally Bankrupt Ideals is Tradition worth ending. It doesn't matter whether everyone seems ok about it, it's not OK by any Standards.

Killing babies?

What about it?

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: dali71

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

Can you provide an example of a modern American space or organization that excludes whites? Supremacist groups with four members like the New Black Panther Party don't count.

How about the Congressional Black Caucus?

How about http://www.whois.net/whois/365black.com I bet there isn't a 365white.com is there? But it isn't racism because McDonalds sells to white people! Yay!

How about Habitat for Humanity which gives almost all of its donated houses to blacks? Yay!

How about when Pillsbury when it sent out memo's saying its white work force was too strong and to fire all white men from temporary positions to be replaced with minorities?

Just because they don't come out and say "We prefer to only work with... (insert race here)" doesn't mean its a racist organization. Any organization which concentrates on a certain race is racist. Very few organizations are going to be bold enough to admit to be racists, because of the blacklash provided by it. But you can look at the actions of organizations and figure it out too.

But its ok... There's racists everywhere, and on both sides of the fence. It's ok, really. Its human evolution 4 million years. W're trying to erase that instinct in ... 40 years. Its ok, it's hard to do that, and I don't expect to see a results of efforts for another 40,000 years. But we can keep trying.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

Can you provide an example of a modern American space or organization that excludes whites? Supremacist groups with four members like the New Black Panther Party don't count.

so exclluding blacks is wrong? how is it ok for blacks to exclude white business?



for the record i have said (this is like the 3rd year this has been posted) that having segragated proms was insane. Yes it is racist there really is no question about it.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I don't "support" those neighborhoods. My contention is that most individuals prefer to be around others with similar backgrounds. In an ideal world, all neighborhoods would be mixed with people still maintaining traditions of their ancestors. We don't live in an ideal world. As per the prom, I was under the impression that (what I would call) a natural segregation of individuals took place so that the prom would be more enjoyable for all those involved and that people could go to either. It is still unfortunate in either case. I suggested the school put on its own prom (including both groups) to alleviate the current situation.

Segregated neighborhoods have always been oppressive, and your opinion of them, even if it isn't "support," is troubling. People may "prefer" to live with those with "similar backgrounds" as themselves, but should they have the right to enforce their "preference"? There was a time when every neighborhood of Manhattan except Harlem was unwelcoming to blacks. Black doctors and bankers had to live on with pimps and drug dealers. This ghettoization did and does not only happen to blacks, and it obviously is not unique to Manhattan.

This is not "natural segregation" (I didn't know that segregation was natural), it's a remnant of centuries of racism. In the New York Times article I posted, support for segregation came only from white parents and some white students, but I could understand that some black students may be relieved to separate themselves from the racism of their white classmates. That doesn't make segregation right, or mutually beneficial; it only reifies race. The idea that segregation is for the oppressed person's own good is paternalistic, racist and incorrect.

However, when those black doctors and lawyers moved to the "white" neighborhoods there was still the shouts within the black community that these professionals had lost touch with their own kind and were acting white. When Colin Powell became the first African American chosen for Secretary of State, didn't Harry Belafonte call him a house slave?

It's ok to be proud of your ancestors and such, but stop the hating. I don't believe anyone in the US is alive who owned slaves and most of the segregationists are dead or close to it.

In high school I saw it at lunch time, most blacks sat by themselves by choice. I thought it was odd at the time until I got to know more. I was white, but involved in athletics and enjoyed rap so most of my friends at the time were black. They didn't choose to sit together because they were all black. They sat together because they lived in the same communities, liked the same things and had alot in common other than the color of their skin.

So, integration would be good, but as long as you have 98% white neighborhoods and 98% non-white inner city neighborhoods, you are going to have bigotry and haters on both sides. I have been to both neighborhoods and felt the odd glances on both sides. I'd say that I felt more glances in the white neighborhood when I was with my non-white ex.

It's just going to take a little more time, but having "white pride" and "black pride" is going to make it take longer.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

Did you forget the part of your post where you supported racially segregated neighborhoods? Or how you magically manage to live with urban whites while avoiding urban people of color?

Who wants a bunch of white trash rednecks in their neighborhood? Do you n yusef?

I don't because I have nothing in common with them.

Comedic gold.