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digiram

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: ericlp
So, What's your plan?

This is The Sucker that not only has a hook set in his mouth being dragged into the boat, he wants to get dragged into the boat. Now that is some supreme sales work right there. Seriously, once the fish WANTS to get in the safety of the boat you can kill that fish and he'll be smiling at you all the while. If you haven't noticed I'm ready for fishing in real life and we will be trolling for 20-30 pound stripers. :)

Government is not the solution. Your heart is in the right place but free people do better.

What's my plan? Let free people provide solutions.

Yes. Free people like Madoff will provide us with the best solution. Let's vote him into office next.
 
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Originally posted by: loki8481
if W is going to be the only unit through which we measure Obama by, we may as well just elect him president for life today.

By no means is dumbya a unit for measurement, excluding failure. Just trying to point out that at least Obama is not fiddling while Rome is burning.
 

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Ed Henry has shown himself to be about the wimpiest of CNN's cabal of half-ass reporters, or all of mainstream media for that matter. Last night he was even worse than the eternally supine David Gregory. Obama's response about why he didn't bark out immediately about the AIG bonuses was perfect. Is a President supposed to give knee-jerk reactions? No, so quit whining for immediate gratification, Jackass.

It was a kick to see Ed "Can I Pick On Your Daughters?" Henry get his lunch. I'm sure he was convinced in his own mind that he was really sending a "zinger" to Obama, what with his tenaciously repeating it. It would have been magnificent if Obama had turned Chuck Todd's inane question about self-sacrifice back on him, asking how much of his grotesquely overpaid salary he was using for philanthropic pursuits. The self-indulgent & self-cosseted monomania of these minions is insufferable.

I think there's at least one pretty simple reason why the Washington-based press corps is so out of touch. At one time, the press were just working stiffs like the rest of us and could easily relate to what everyday people were thinking and experiencing. Now, they're all six figure prima donnas who do little real research and - apparently from their performance over the last eight years - even less thinking at any depth. They're mostly just going through the motions and behave like a pack that lives and breathes Washington right down to those cushy dinners and parties.

The repetitious nature of the questions last night and the self-reverential "gotcha" form of many of them show that they do very little listening. It's your one chance in a month to ask the POTUS a question and this is the best that you can come up with? And then once answered, you go with a variation on the same question you just heard? Pitiful!

The last eight years the press became so used to the fact that no matter how dim their questions were, the President Bush they were questioning would always seem even more dimwitted, making them seem articulate by contrast. Now, with someone who can give thoughtful, articulate answers, they suddenly seem like vapid clowns. That's only because they were, however.

I think Obama was extremely patient, given that I would have answered "Well Chuck, I did ask Americans to sacrifice, right here, ten minutes ago when I asked them to be patient because things will recover but not right away, something you would have heard if you hadn't been busy thinking of the "zinger" you were going to ask to me to get attention. You feckless moron."


 

Carmen813

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Carmen813
I agree with his proposals on what to do, I feel that if you followed and researched what he wanted to do during the campaign that his budget reflects that. I like his focus on healthcare, energy, and education is long past overdue, and I'm glad he is trying to pursue those agendas. It appears to me that while the next 10 years may be difficult deficit and debt wise, the following 20-30 should be very good for us.

Obviously, lots of people in this thread disagree.

He'll be running up the debt for the next 10 years, and we'll be paying for it for the next 20-30 years if we are lucky. Probably much longer than that.


He won't be doing it much longer. All the countries lending money said today that the bank is either closing or closed. Our credit limit has been reached .

That's an valid opinion, but ones I disagree with. I think that once we get passed the "sticker shock" value of improving healthcare (especially healthcare), energy, and infrastructure, our economy will be in a position for massive growth. Of those three healthcare is by far the most important, if something isn't done to address medicare/medicaid and the amount of uninsured in this country, we are going to face a disaster in about 40 years. As I see it, Obama's budget is aimed for a very long term re-working of the U.S. workforce and economy. A higher trained, longer living workforce will be much more beneficial in the long-term than the short-term costs. It's cheaper to do these things now than it is to do them in 15-20 years.

As Obama said, what is the alternative proposal. We are going to be running deficits for several more years. Anyone suggesting otherwise is full of doo-doo. Republicans, for all their talk of "conservatism" are simply lying. If they were in power they would not balance the budget by cutting taxes and spending. All you need to do is look at the 12 years when they had control of Congress, which is what Controls the budget. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a partisan hack, we've seen evidence of what republicans will do if given total control. The only measurable difference between Dems and Republicans in Congress is that Republicans like giving tax breaks to the rich and fighting wars, where as Dems like funding entitlements and increasing taxes. The parties are so similar we are forced to nitpick over ridiculous issues that have no real impact.

Obama budget has a clear outline for where he wants the money to go. It's very easy to criticize, but until I see an alternative proposal that actually thinks about the future (the real future that is 20+ years down the road, not the 2010 elections) than I will be sticking by Obama's budget.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
Republicans, for all their talk of "conservatism" are simply lying. If they were in power they would not balance the budget by cutting taxes and spending. All you need to do is look at the 12 years when they had control of Congress, which is what Controls the budget. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a partisan hack, we've seen evidence of what republicans will do if given total control. The only measurable difference between Dems and Republicans in Congress is that Republicans like giving tax breaks to the rich and fighting wars, where as Dems like funding entitlements and increasing taxes. The parties are so similar we are forced to nitpick over ridiculous issues that have no real impact.

Obama budget has a clear outline for where he wants the money to go. It's very easy to criticize, but until I see an alternative proposal that actually thinks about the future (the real future that is 20+ years down the road, not the 2010 elections) than I will be sticking by Obama's budget.

+1 :thumbsup:

Exactly... Its easy to complain... but let's see your alternative plan... What's that??? [/crickets]
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
No matter what Obama does, no matter what he says and no matter what outcome his policies have you will be self-righteously discontent.

He could shrink the size of government and empower the American people. I would be his biggest supporter then.
 

piasabird

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Maybe he has one of those books . . .

How to bankrupt America in 21 days!

It is the taxpayer who will pay for O'Bammas experiment in Communism.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Congratulations posters, I did an actual face palm reading through your comments.

The hatred that seethes through so many of you really impressed me. In fact, Andrew1990 actually has a profile picture of himself dress as Hitler on his MySpace. Incredible!

No matter what Obama does, no matter what he says and no matter what outcome his policies have you will be self-righteously discontent.

Ah, I see you seen my Halloween Costume.

Anyways, as I have stated in other threads, I am not a Democrat or Republican. I will be discontent whenever any politician does anything wrong.

Bush was wrong, Obama is wrong. 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Uh, huh. Except I'll bet we never saw any posts by you bashing GWB like you're currently bashing Obama.

You guys sound like my brother. He's a (R) who voted for GWB - twice - and never criticized him while he was in office. He does admit that he did a poor job now though. The difference is, now that Obama is president it's a daily bash fest. It's like you not only want Obama to fail, you need him to fail so you can justify your support of the idiot GWB. In other words, you need two wrongs to make you right.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Congratulations posters, I did an actual face palm reading through your comments.

The hatred that seethes through so many of you really impressed me. In fact, Andrew1990 actually has a profile picture of himself dress as Hitler on his MySpace. Incredible!

No matter what Obama does, no matter what he says and no matter what outcome his policies have you will be self-righteously discontent.

Ah, I see you seen my Halloween Costume.

Anyways, as I have stated in other threads, I am not a Democrat or Republican. I will be discontent whenever any politician does anything wrong.

Bush was wrong, Obama is wrong. 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Uh, huh. Except I'll bet we never saw any posts by you bashing GWB like you're currently bashing Obama.

You guys sound like my brother. He's a (R) who voted for GWB - twice - and never criticized him while he was in office. He does admit that he did a poor job now though. The difference is, now that Obama is president it's a daily bash fest. It's like you not only want Obama to fail, you need him to fail so you can justify your support of the idiot GWB. In other words, you need two wrongs to make you right.

Yup... The hippocracy of these daily Obama bashers on this forum is rediculous.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Aimster
A lot of you don't care because you have jobs.

He is doing this for the people who are suffering. They want to know what's up.

Couldn't he do that at like noon then?

Hey, noone's forcing you to watch. I thought he did a great job. He muffed one or two teleprompter blurbs is all. He made some great zingers riffing on the correspondents' questions. I'm convinced more than ever that there's noone else in America who could hope to do a better job than Obama's doing right now in the presidency.

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I like the idea of being informed, however there is such a thing as too much. If there is something new AND significant, I'm glad to hear it. He's the anti-Bush, which said too little, and he says too much. I'm looking for "just right"
Too much? :confused:

I can't believe how much Obama bashing is going on here. What a bunch of creeps. I think his ratings are more than double what GWB's were.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, for the OP's thoughts and comments about how unimportant for a US president to come out and talk about his priorities of the USA and where he wants to take it and what issues we need to work on is sadly pretty foolish ... I for one just got done watching his effective speech.


I thought he did an excellent job on trying to hammer Education, Healthcare, Energy and deficit/economy plan home. I don't see any negative's in informing the public or the frequency doing so. Personally, I like his plan, it would be some of the things I would try to get the country back on track. Weather it works or not is another story.

Why won't he address the fact that its going to cost us trillions? He won't f--king answer the questions.

He said we are going to move from an era of borrow and spend to save and invest when he's got a nearly 4 trillion dollar budget with a massive deficit to go with it? Its all bullshit.

I don't think it's bullshit. He made one point: it all depends on the growth rate. If it's only 2.2% things aren't so good. If it's 2.6% he achieves his goals. I think his priorties make sense. The goal is that 2.6% growth rate.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, for the OP's thoughts and comments about how unimportant for a US president to come out and talk about his priorities of the USA and where he wants to take it and what issues we need to work on is sadly pretty foolish ... I for one just got done watching his effective speech.


I thought he did an excellent job on trying to hammer Education, Healthcare, Energy and deficit/economy plan home. I don't see any negative's in informing the public or the frequency doing so. Personally, I like his plan, it would be some of the things I would try to get the country back on track. Weather it works or not is another story.

thats because you are a open minded free thinking human being - these people dress up as Hitler for Halloween. Retards. I would just love to get the mind numbing run down of what should be done to fix our economic problems.

Hmm, how is dressing up as Hitler for Halloween being a retard? I am just asking because to me(a common man), Halloween is a night where you dress up as something scary. I used basic common sense and dressed up as the biggest monster.
There's such a thing as good taste. If someone came to my door dressed as Hitler on Halloween I'd be offended and shocked. I've never encountered any living human being making himself a representation of AH and hope I don't.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, for the OP's thoughts and comments about how unimportant for a US president to come out and talk about his priorities of the USA and where he wants to take it and what issues we need to work on is sadly pretty foolish ... I for one just got done watching his effective speech.


I thought he did an excellent job on trying to hammer Education, Healthcare, Energy and deficit/economy plan home. I don't see any negative's in informing the public or the frequency doing so. Personally, I like his plan, it would be some of the things I would try to get the country back on track. Weather it works or not is another story.

Why won't he address the fact that its going to cost us trillions? He won't f--king answer the questions.

He said we are going to move from an era of borrow and spend to save and invest when he's got a nearly 4 trillion dollar budget with a massive deficit to go with it? Its all bullshit.

I don't think it's bullshit. He made one point: it all depends on the growth rate. If it's only 2.2% things aren't so good. If it's 2.6% he achieves his goals. I think his priorties make sense. The goal is that 2.6% growth rate.

And if he's wrong? He just says 'oops' and sticks us with a 10 trillion dollar deficit in a couple years? Or more? He better be doing more than HOPING he is right. Can we afford for Obama to be wrong?

His 'speech' last night was boring and dull. He flubbed reading the teleprompter.. and he completely avoided answering the questions asked. Even the Euro's are telling Obama he is spending too much.. The SOCIALISTS are telling him that.