Another GF thread

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Josh123

so in a decade of time you've had.......you've yet to read the book for which all your "beliefs" are derived from??? Does that seem unreasonable to anyone else or is it just me?

Going to church and listening to scripture being read from the bible is where I get my beliefs. I should sit down and start reading it completely through though. Now days everyone tries to prove how Jesus was a magician type of person. No one can grasp the fact that miracles happen everyday.

What you fail to grasp is that just because unexplainable and unlikely things happen every day, that does not mean they are miracles. That is specious reasoning. You try to explain why you are religious with justifications like miracles, near-death experiences, etc., when the fact is that you would be religious anyway. Religious people just need to buckle down and say "I can't explain it, I can't prove it, there is no evidence for it, but I believe it anyway", instead of trying to justify their beliefs with bvllshit.

Just like for those who have had sex with only 1 partner shouldn't be defining "good" and "bad" sex because they aren't qualified, so too should non-believers not be stating whether miricles happen or do not. They aren't qualified.

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

Originally posted by: Josh123

so in a decade of time you've had.......you've yet to read the book for which all your "beliefs" are derived from??? Does that seem unreasonable to anyone else or is it just me?

Going to church and listening to scripture being read from the bible is where I get my beliefs. I should sit down and start reading it completely through though. Now days everyone tries to prove how Jesus was a magician type of person. No one can grasp the fact that miracles happen everyday.

Much of the Bible does not directly relate to specific instructions to how Christians today need to live their lives. Much of the old testament was written for those living before Jesus died for us. While the old testament is important to know from a historical standpoint, the arguement that if you haven't read the whole Bible, you aren't a real Christian is false, IMO. Frankly, to be a Christian, you only need to know a couple of verses, and believe them. The one that comes to mind is where Jesus was asked what the most important command was/is. "To love the Lord your God, and your neighbor as yourself". If you know this and strive to live it, then you know the bulk of Jesus message. The rest is just explanation around this central theme.

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
This thread reminds me of the "Born again virgin" episode from King of the Hill

You might explain to your GF that short of a time machine, there ain't no going back.
Don't think it would have made any difference if Eve changed her mind and puked up the apple

I would agree that there is no going back. You can only be a virgin once. But this doesn't mean you shouldn't cease your sinful actions. Its an extreme example, but take a murderer. Once a murderer has murdered once, there's no going back. This does not mean the murderer should continue to murder, but rather to cease with the murdering and seek repentance (In jail...)

Interesting question about Eve spitting up the Apple. I'm not sure myself, but my intitial response would be that the eating of the Apple was symbolic. Ie the eating of the apple represented Eve making a choice that living as God has decided was not sufficient, and that more was needed. By her making that choice and eating the apple, it signified that Eve had made that choice. Puking up the apple would not have changed reality that the choice had been made, just the reality that the apple was in her digestive tract.

The rest of history is people choosing to live their lives either trying to atone for their sins , or not to.

God loves us so much that he gave us a choice whether or not to follow him.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: CigarSmokedByClinton
Just like for those who have had sex with only 1 partner shouldn't be defining "good" and "bad" sex because they aren't qualified, so too should non-believers not be stating whether miricles happen or do not. They aren't qualified.

Just posting to acknowledge that I see this reply. Nothing much to say about it, read my post again.

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Exaclty you just prooved what I was trying to point out...
Morals change every day.. how the hell can a book and a set of ideas that are so old be in a persons best intrest in these modern times.
the ideas of living set by these so called religions are nothing but ancient relics of a long forgotten society and way of life..

I'm sorry but I'm not going to not drink have sex or eat meat on certain days because some brainwashed idiot years ago wrote it in a book...

Live your life and enjoy what it offers.
you are mearly robbing yourself of pleasure and experinces that after your dead and buried wont be replaced by some mystical afterlife that frail human minds must rely on to give weaker minds peace of mind and purpose.

I guess I disagree with you. I do not believe that morals change every day. What was wrong yesterday is still wrong today. What changes from day to day is who decides what is right and wrong. Because God gave us free will, we can either choose to follow his definition of right/wrong, or we can choose to follow whatever definition we feel like. What is right/wrong according to God hasn't changed since Jesus' crucifixion, and therefore for those who follow God's defintion of right/wrong, their morals haven't changed either.

I would also disagree that the "ideas of living" as you put it are not "ancient relics of a long forgotten society and way of life". My very existance proves this. See above for my arguement.

God's moral law does not forbid drinking, having sex, or eating meat on certain days. God's moral law forbids drunkenness, sex outside of marriage, and says nothing about your diet. Some Churches/Christians sects have what I would call arbitrary rules about the eating of certain things, but frankly I don't think God cares about what we eat.

And thank you, I WILL live my life and enjoy what it offers. I do not believe that being a Christian precludes you from fun. The rest of what you said below that line, I don't agree with. Surprise, surprise.

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

Just posting to acknowledge that I see this reply. Nothing much to say about it, read my post again.

Ya, I know/understand what you're saying. I'm an engineer, and I always look for the logical/scientific explanation too. There are many things that happen that are "unexplainable" that no doubt aren't miracles. I have also heard/seen things that no doubt ARE miracles.


No doubt your next question to me will be why I feel some are miracles and some aren't, but I'll have to think about that for a while and get back to you.

 

[Papagayo]

You're all so stupid to not see this coming...

She's cheating on you! Dump her and move on.. She wants to wait to figure out how to dump your butt..


Geez people.... wake up!!

 

[Compton]

Follow the Path of Origin.

Hallowed are the Ori.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Josh123

shut up you're a fake ass follower of your religion. I'm sure premarrital sex isnt the only transgression you partake in on a regular basis. You are one of those I'm religious when its convienient types.

I admit I haven't been the best at being a strong christian but no one can be sinless. I'm not one of those people that judge people that don't believe. I just don't understand why people always poke fun at what other people believe.

Its "OK" to believe... its quite another thing to let a story book and a fictitious all powerful ghost tell me when and where I can get laid or drink a beer or eat a burger...

Word. On good friday, my mom said not to eat a steak for breakfast. I told her "Your ancient religion has no sway over me!"

 

[Aversio]

She's struggling with her lustful feelings for other women....

 

[inveterate]

Originally posted by: Josh123

I'd don't even believe you've read the bible cover to cover let alone absorbed its content so........I'd hardly call whatever it is you think you practice as a "belief"

No....I haven't read it completely through but I know enough about it to believe.

Because u believe the bible, ur OVerclocking sux ass too, muahahahahha

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Josh123
Ok.....lately me and the GF have been watching religious type of movies. Not sure if that?s the best category but they are movies like Constantine, Exorcism of Emily Rose, and other movies that deal with demons and sh!t. Well last night we had sex and afterward she said that she thinks she wants to wait now. I guess she?s meaning wait till marriage or something. She said she has tried this in the past but was weak and gave in. She asked if I was mad and I told her that I wasn't and that I wasn't with her just for sex. Which of course I'm kind of scared about this just like any other guy would be.

So should I be worried or not??? I too am really religious but I also love sex.

dump her

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Josh123
Ok.....lately me and the GF have been watching religious type of movies. Not sure if that?s the best category but they are movies like Constantine, Exorcism of Emily Rose, and other movies that deal with demons and sh!t. Well last night we had sex and afterward she said that she thinks she wants to wait now. I guess she?s meaning wait till marriage or something. She said she has tried this in the past but was weak and gave in. She asked if I was mad and I told her that I wasn't and that I wasn't with her just for sex. Which of course I'm kind of scared about this just like any other guy would be.

So should I be worried or not??? I too am really religious but I also love sex.

<== I amrried not a highly religious person ... but religion "effects" her bedroom behaivior.

And I am jsut about fed up. If she stops putting out, you get the hell out. And tell ehr to her face or she'll pull the 6 sex sessions a month BS like my wife has been doing since we had our kid 18 months ago.

And the sex sucks. You better get your practice in!

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: crownjules
Watch some porn.

:thumbsup:

 

[rhino56]

if those 2 movies have any impact on your morals you will be wacking off to a nude nun film in no time.
if any movie affects your way of life you are trapped in a dream made by hollywood and blinded by lies that surround everything you believe you are.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Josh123
Well last night we had sex and afterward she said that she thinks she wants to wait now. I guess she?s meaning wait till marriage or something. She said she has tried this in the past but was weak and gave in.

Let me guess- Catholic?