Another failed prediction......Netanyahu...

JEDIYoda

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For those of you who are fond of making endless predictions that never ever come to pass......now mind you I can predict the world will come to an end ....... someday, eventually it probably will......

I do understand what other do not understand about Netenyahu but the facts are he is still very popular.

Those who try to partray Israel as a nation that is very divided are wrong!
Yet they are right sort of...when you allow people to speak freely and express there opinions.....it would seem so!

When you lump that with national security.....they are and will always be a very patriotic nation!

There are quite a few people who insist that the Israeli people are fed up with netanyahu and even make boisterous claims that there will be some sort of people revolt in favor of the Palestinians...blah...blah....blah......

Yet they fail to recognoize most people in Israel want to have a secure homeland!! That does nopt mean trusting another nation or a group of nations for their security.
Is it possible to give the Palestinians a state of their own? Yes....
Is it possible for Israel to have a secure country? YES..but....
In order for that to happen the Palestinians cannot have everything they want.......
The 1967 borders are not defendable and will not allow for a secure Israel....

So who predicted the demise of Netanyahu......



Israel's Netanyahu would win early election: poll

http://news.yahoo.com/israels-netanyahu-win-early-election-poll-113629328.html

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would win an election if it were held now, an opinion poll showed on Monday as he weighs strategy towards Iran's nuclear program and speculation grows that he will seek a renewed public mandate.

The next parliamentary election in Israel is not due until October 2013, but the right-wing premier signaled on Sunday he was considering moving up the ballot.

A slew of commentators, citing cracks in the governing coalition over formulating a new law that could force ultra-Orthodox Jews to serve in the conscript military, said Netanyahu may opt for an election as early as August or September.

On Saturday, a former Israeli spymaster branded the country's leaders as "messianic", in the strongest criticism yet from a security veteran of threats to launch a pre-emptive war to disable Iranian nuclear sites.

But a poll conducted on Sunday night and published in the popular Yedioth Ahronoth daily showed Netanyahu's Likud party winning 30 of 120 parliamentary seats if a ballot were held now, up from the 27 it currently holds.

Such a result would make him the leader of the largest faction and the likely candidate to form the next government.

"The poll indicates ... Netanyahu has no cause for concern, and he apparently knows it. He is not just going to elections, he's sprinting to them," Yedioth Ahronoth political correspondent Sima Kadmon wrote.

COALITION CALCULATIONS

Should Netanyahu lose the support of ultra-Orthodox coalition partners over the conscription issue, he could turn to centrist factions to replace them after the ballot.

No one party has ever won an outright parliamentary majority in an Israeli general election, and the poll indicated that would not change in the next ballot.

According to the survey, right-wing parties would control 61 parliamentary seats compared with 66 at present, giving Netanyahu a governing majority he would likely attempt to widen with centrist factions.

Israel's main opposition Kadima party - now the largest in parliament according to the poll - would drop from 28 seats to 11. The centrist Kadima recently replaced its leader, former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, with ex-defense chief Shaul Mofaz.

The survey showed the Labour Party, widely expected to gain strength from a wave of social protests that swept Israeli cities last summer, taking 18 seats, a steep rise from its current 8, and becoming the second largest faction.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's ultra-nationalist party Yisrael Beitenu, Netanyahu's biggest coalition partner, would capture 13 seats, down from its current 15, the poll showed.

The poll surveyed 500 people and has a margin of error of 4.5 percent.

In an interview with Yedioth Ahronoth's website, Ynet, Lieberman described an early election as a done deal. "It's now just a matter of (setting) dates," he said.

Lieberman has been a leading advocate of imposing military service on ultra-Orthodox Jews - most Jewish men and women are subject to the draft at the age of 18 - and requiring Israeli Arabs to perform national service outside the armed forces.

Ultra-Orthodox parties in the coalition have said they would fight such a move. The current conscription law expires in August and the government has to decide the issue soon.

Netanyahu has also been under pressure from pro-settler coalition partners and some outspoken Likud party members who have questioned his commitment to Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, where Palestinians seek a state.

Netanyahu's government has pledged to evict or raze numerous settlement outposts put up without official sanction, drawing warnings from some political allies that his coalition could collapse as a result.
 
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Anarchist420

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Likud party winning 30 of 120 parliamentary seats if a ballot were held now, up from the 27 it currently holds.
How many parties are there? Which one is the most nationalist party?

I was wondering because if a party is considered popular with 25%, then it sounds like there are 8 different parties:)

Edit: I saw the answer to my 2nd question in your OP. sorry about that:)
 
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cybrsage

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Aren't the leaders of Israel mainstream Jews? Messianic Jew means a Jew who believes Y'shua is the Messiah in the States...I thought it meant the same in Israel.

I think they should destroy the settlements built without official sanction - laws must be followed after all.
 

Orignal Earl

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Israel joins UN list of states limiting human rights organizations UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay lists Israel along with countries such as Belarus, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Ethiopia and Venezuela.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-limiting-human-rights-organizations-1.427184


Ex-Israeli Spymaster: Leaders 'Messianic' Says Israel More and More Racist, Belligerent
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/28

Leading candidate in Egypt presidential race calls Israel peace accord 'dead and buried' - Haaretz Daily
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...-dead-and-buried-1.427323#.T57V0OHfJh8.reddit

Netanyahu: Israel soon to require national service for Israeli Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...e-national-service-for-israeli-arabs-1.427078

Israel starts building wall on Lebanon border. Israeli army begins constructing wall, set to stretch for more than 2km, to "avoid frictions on the border".
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/04/201243082536846156.html


There, I just saved the forum from 5 more threads
 

xBiffx

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I must say, if you are "prerdicting" then you have definitely failed.

Signed - The Spelling/Typing Nazi.
 

Orignal Earl

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I must say, if you are "prerdicting" then you have definitely failed.

Signed - The Spelling/Typing Nazi.

You do know that Jedi has interpreted and wrote out hundreds of legal contracts from Polish to English to Hebrew to Russian
 

EagleKeeper

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Israel joins UN list of states limiting human rights organizations UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay lists Israel along with countries such as Belarus, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Ethiopia and Venezuela.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-limiting-human-rights-organizations-1.427184


Ex-Israeli Spymaster: Leaders 'Messianic' Says Israel More and More Racist, Belligerent
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/28

Leading candidate in Egypt presidential race calls Israel peace accord 'dead and buried' - Haaretz Daily
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...-dead-and-buried-1.427323#.T57V0OHfJh8.reddit

Netanyahu: Israel soon to require national service for Israeli Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...e-national-service-for-israeli-arabs-1.427078

Israel starts building wall on Lebanon border. Israeli army begins constructing wall, set to stretch for more than 2km, to "avoid frictions on the border".
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/04/201243082536846156.html


There, I just saved the forum from 5 more threads

And the forums thanks you :thumbsup:
 

JEDIYoda

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You do know that Jedi has interpreted and wrote out hundreds of legal contracts from Polish to English to Hebrew to Russian
The problem you have is you mis-quote and mis-state things that you think I said that I have never said.....

I have done translation of documents in several languages.....Russian as well as Polish as well as Hebrew. --- hundreds no.....but a sufficient amount...

I know jealousy must be a difficult thing to live with....

But I will thank you for saving me some work by posting these --

Originally Posted by Orignal Earl
Israel joins UN list of states limiting human rights organizations UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay lists Israel along with countries such as Belarus, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Ethiopia and Venezuela.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...tions-1.427184


Ex-Israeli Spymaster: Leaders 'Messianic' Says Israel More and More Racist, Belligerent
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/28

Leading candidate in Egypt presidential race calls Israel peace accord 'dead and buried' - Haaretz Daily
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...0OHfJh8.reddit

Netanyahu: Israel soon to require national service for Israeli Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...arabs-1.427078

Israel starts building wall on Lebanon border. Israeli army begins constructing wall, set to stretch for more than 2km, to "avoid frictions on the border".
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...536846156.html


There, I just saved the forum from 5 more threads

The forum thanks you!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Londo_Jowo

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Israel joins UN list of states limiting human rights organizations UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay lists Israel along with countries such as Belarus, Zimbabwe, Egypt, Ethiopia and Venezuela.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-limiting-human-rights-organizations-1.427184


Ex-Israeli Spymaster: Leaders 'Messianic' Says Israel More and More Racist, Belligerent
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/28

Leading candidate in Egypt presidential race calls Israel peace accord 'dead and buried' - Haaretz Daily
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...-dead-and-buried-1.427323#.T57V0OHfJh8.reddit

Netanyahu: Israel soon to require national service for Israeli Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...e-national-service-for-israeli-arabs-1.427078

Israel starts building wall on Lebanon border. Israeli army begins constructing wall, set to stretch for more than 2km, to "avoid frictions on the border".
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/04/201243082536846156.html


There, I just saved the forum from 5 more threads

Well played!!!!!!
 

Lemon law

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Rather than criticize JediY for pointing out that new Israeli elections are almost inevitable, it may be more productive, especially for many in the US, to explain a Parliamentary governmental system is totally different than the fixed terms of service system we have in the USA.

But in a Parliamentary system of government, new elections are usually triggered by votes of no confidence in the PM or too many ministers in said government openly ctitical of the PM regarding the direction of government. And in Israel's case the PM is Netanyuhu and Netanyuhu is getting an earful from critics on all sides. And after almost three years, the Netanyuhu coalition now comes crashing down.

And at this point and maybe with some sympathy to Netanyuhu it may be worth talking about Netanyuhu's previous and unsustainable coalition partners with settler party nuts like Liberman and other similar nuts and ultra reactionaries aligned with ultra Orthodox Jews. Who demanded to be economically supported by Israel without serving in the Israeli army. Meaning in short, the very second Netanyuhu did anything to cut down on unrestricted Israeli settlement in disputed territories, or asked the ultra Orthodox Jews to quit being total parasites, or even got real with dealing rationally with foreign policy Palestinians, and Iran, Netanyuhu's ultra right coalition partners would desert his coalition and collapse the present Israeli government. As its now pressure from the left that collapses the Netanyuhu government with new elections.

How will the New Israeli elections turn out? And will Netanyuhu once again come out on top? Last time Netanyuhu got the old heave ho as Israeli PM in 1999, he was out of power for a full decade. And even if Netanyuhu still emerges on top, a coalition of Labor, Kadama, and Liqid, may result in totally different Israeli government behavior.
 
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Jhhnn

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How can there be failed prediction for something still in the future?
 

EagleKeeper

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LL has made his statements that Netanyuhu was going down the toilet.

According to the information in the link; should he call for an early election; his party will increase their control.

That is not going down the tubes
 

Texashiker

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Of course Netanyahu is going to be reelected. He is a fear monger and the people are afraid not to vote for him.
 

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Of course Netanyahu is going to be reelected. He is a fear monger and the people are afraid not to vote for him.

They showed previously that they would vote for another.

They choose whom they feel will lead them best for a given scenario.
 

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People are afraid of change, that is just the way we are.

Just like the US, the people of israel will keep voting idiots back into office.


I'll say this for Netanyahu...

At least he isn't a chickenhawk like our neocons.

See I can say something nice about him even if I disagree with some of his policies.
 

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People are afraid of change, that is just the way we are.

Just like the US, the people of israel will keep voting idiots back into office.

What change is needed - roll over and play dead?
 

EagleKeeper

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And what will the change of leadership provide?

A fresh viewpoint on what?

They feel he is doing a good job - just because it may not agree with your perspective, does it make it wrong?