Another failed prediction......Netanyahu...

[Lemon law]

However, the thread is about the prediction/polls of Israel that the Pm is on his last legs according to your infamous crystal ball.

And is looks again like you will be batting 100%

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Earth to EK, if you read you will see on this thread, I did not rule out Netanyuhu being re elected as PM. However if Netanyuhu forms another coalition without Lieberman and crazed settler parties, Israeli government policy is likely to significantly change.

Meanwhile, in the last three years of the Neteayuhu government, Lieberman and settler parties totally controlled Netanyuhu, and if ever steered a half a hair to the left they would have collapsed his government long ago.

 

[cybrsage]

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Riddle me this cybrsage, if the Berlin wall was so effective, why is the Berlin wall no longer standing?

The Soviet Union broke apart due to having espoused socialism, thus releasing the subject states to do as they pleased. The people did not want a wall to force them to stay in one area, so they removed it.

This is quite different from the very stable Israel whose people want the wall to exist because it successfully keeps the Palestinian suicide bombers out. It is more like the Great Wall of China, which was highly successful for centuries and is still standing.

In short cybrsage, times change, and in the case of Israel, the entire mid-east has changed and Israel hasn't. Israel used to be able to depend on at least three semi-friendly mid-east neighbors, and now Israel is down to zero. And Israel is also rapidly losing most EU support.

At the end of the 1940s, Israel had zero friendly mid east neighbors and no support from the Western European nations. She survived quite nicely, as you may notice. You act like Israel needs the surrounding Arabs as allies to survive. This is simply not true.

Already at leas one British major supermarket chain refuses to buy produce grown in Israeli West Bank settlements. The same thing that doomed the former Apartheid State of South Africa.

And this is your proof that Israel is going to be destroyed by the Palestinians how?

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Earth to EK, if you read you will see on this thread, I did not rule out Netanyuhu being re elected as PM. However if Netanyuhu forms another coalition without Lieberman and crazed settler parties, Israeli government policy is likely to significantly change.

Meanwhile, in the last three years of the Neteayuhu government, Lieberman and settler parties totally controlled Netanyuhu, and if ever steered a half a hair to the left they would have collapsed his government long ago.

All your other recent threads have been predicting/stating

• Abbas will go to the UN to get the Palestinian state
• US will dump Israel because of the political costs
• Netanyuhu will fall because of the failure to negotiate with the Palestinians
• Israel will have to go back to the original borders.

As they say, the devil is in the details and you have been unable to provide anything in terms of details to back up your predictions; you just keep making them and coming up with excuses on why they fail.

• Abbas went before the UN and came away with nothing
• The US is still asked for around the world to help/bailout with issues.
• Netanyuhu is still the PM and looks to be so in the near future.
• You have never explained how/who Israel is going to be forced back to the '67 borders.

 

[Lemon law]

Well, at this news, all I can say what a delusional macaroon Netanyuhu is. As Netanyuhu now makes an unsustainable and one sided bet exactly when Israel is facing its greatest challenges to the Israeli status quo.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...berman-in-upcoming-israeli-elections-1.428131

And as Netanyuhu may invariably chooses to ally himself with the greatest possible turd in Lieberman, it a hope of defeating anyone rational willing to finally make peace with the Palestinians. As the 3 center or slightly left leaning parties will likely have more Kennest votes to form a new Israeli government leaving both Lieberman and Nertanhuhu out of power and with zero influence in a New Israeli government.

Or alternately we can consider that EK may be right and a Netanyuhu and Lieberman government will emerge on top. But I suspect such a government will not last very long as Israel now faces almost insurmountable international pressure to get their Palestinian issues settled. As Lieberman and Netanyuhu are both dinosaurs unable to adapt.

As Israeli elections are now seemingly scheduled for 9/4/2012.

It may be Neabyuhu's last harrah, if he bets on the wrong horse, there may be no Netanyuhu comeback. As Netanyuhu climbs MT. Masada as he defies the world.

Why should I engage in pissing contests, we will all know the results in only 3 months.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You can not make peace with the Palestinians if they do not want to make peace with you.

At this point; they have demonstrated that peace is not desirable; only conflict.

Israel now faces almost insurmountable international pressure to get their Palestinian issues settled.

Who is putting pressure on Israel that makes Israel be concerned.

another prediction that you are unable to back up.

the last couple of times; you used the pissing contest dodge; you failed.

World embargo on Israel
Blockade runners
Naval escorts
Isolated in the Muslim world
Palestinians getting UN approval as a state
Israel being force to negotiate with Abbas.


My fingers are getting tired; need to create some macros to show the quality of his predictions.
And every time it fails; he wants us to again wait a few months for another one that will force Israel to it's knees.

Why not just have the Palestinians do the two things they agreed to do at rrevious peace accords but failed to do so.

Recognize Israel
Guarantee security

 

[Lemon law]

Well EK, you have said it again, at the same time fewer and fewer people in the world buy your Israeli bullshit.

And at the same time unprecedented events are occurring in the mid-east, Hamas and Fatah are reaching out diplomatically to the EU, all the events of the Arab Spring, Israel losing past friends in Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt, the collapse of the Netanyuhu government, and not a single one of recent those events are good for Israel and its status quo.

Yet EK, you seem to delusion ally maintain, Israeli government policy will last forever as the gathering storm clouds turn Israel policy into total darkness,

But still the Israeli negotiations position remains fairly strong, but the longer Israel delays, the weaker the Israeli negotiating position will become.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And no one is buying your BS. Turkey is not alienated from Israel. The government of Israel is not collapsing. Hamas and Fatah can perform their usual sob acts to the EU as well as the rest of rye world. It does not mean squat until they deal with Israel and meet the two simple demands.

The Palestinians do this courtship/crying because they refuse to do those two things and want to convince everyone that they are reformed.

And yet there are suckers out in the world that believe that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There is a Jew behind me. O come and kill him.

Oh those crazy Hamas!

 

[cybrsage]

Oh those crazy Hamas!

I think that is the trees saying that...well, all the trees but one kind...but that tree is a Jew loving tree anyway.

 

[Lemon law]

"There is a Jew behind me. O come and kill him." Is a frequently attributed piece of Arab antisemitism.

As we conveniently forget that almost every culture has equally offensive hate speech that almost 99% of that culture reject.

In the case of the EU, The white man's burden and heathen savages was used to justify much of the abuses of colonialism. The N words and various racial slurs are used openly even in political debate in the USA. And used more effectively subliminally as political wedges to promote various political causes.

But in the case of Israeli governmental policies against Palestinians, the USA would not permit those abuse here, and its written into our constitution.

 

[EagleKeeper]

"There is a Jew behind me. O come and kill him." Is a frequently attributed piece of Arab antisemitism.

As we conveniently forget that almost every culture has equally offensive hate speech that almost 99% of that culture reject.

In the case of the EU, The white man's burden and heathen savages was used to justify much of the abuses of colonialism. The N words and various racial slurs are used openly even in political debate in the USA. And used more effectively subliminally as political wedges to promote various political causes.

But in the case of Israeli governmental policies against Palestinians, the USA would not permit those abuse here, and its written into our constitution.

For US
Eminent Domain
Illegal Immigrants - not wanted - kicked out after due process
Legal immigrants - require papers

Seems about the same for people living inside each country

Now let us look at another member of the Security Council 5
Eminent Domain
Illegal Immigrants - not allowed - locked up
Legal Immigrants - allowed - not very many request
Response to state sponsored attacks - Hunt down the offenders
Resource control - turn off taps to emphasize political power over others
Expel people after serving sentences for conspiring against the state


Seems about the same for people living inside each country


So what is the beef. Israel is doing no different that what members of the Security Council are doing every day.

 

[cybrsage]

"There is a Jew behind me. O come and kill him." Is a frequently attributed piece of Arab antisemitism.

That phrase comes from the Islamic holy books.

 

[Lemon law]

That phrase comes from the Islamic holy books.

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Have you ever read the old testament to the Christian bible, there are enough holy phrases in there to gag a maggot. What do you think Muslim Sharia law is based on? Because it comes straight from the pages of the Jewish old testament. The new testament that is mostly Christian, there are whole doctrines on killing Jews as Christ killers.

Paranoia and Xenophobia run deep, into your life it will creep. As me thinks cybrsage has embraced both in his heart and brain. Past the point he can think rationally.

 

[Lemon law]

For US
Eminent Domain
Illegal Immigrants - not wanted - kicked out after due process
Legal immigrants - require papers

Seems about the same for people living inside each country

Now let us look at another member of the Security Council 5
Eminent Domain
Illegal Immigrants - not allowed - locked up
Legal Immigrants - allowed - not very many request
Response to state sponsored attacks - Hunt down the offenders
Resource control - turn off taps to emphasize political power over others
Expel people after serving sentences for conspiring against the state.

Seems about the same for people living inside each country


So what is the beef. Israel is doing no different that what members of the Security Council are doing every day.

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As EK conveniently forgets where most Palestinians come from, as they were or are descendants of the original 1948 Israel. The unlucky unarmed Palestinians were simply outright executed by Israeli terrorists such as Began in the hundreds of thousands even before 1948. The rest got chased out of Israel at the point of a Israeli gun after 1948 and only were robbed of their property but not their lives. As most fled to the West Bank and Gaza and still assert their right to return. In the USA, the only thing comparable we ever did is allow African slavery and we ended that practice in 1865. Even if it took a civil war to force it.

Now the larger world increasingly will no longer permit that Israeli denial of Palestinian civil rights, and all EK can come up with is the same basic drivel American slaveholders used. As EK, like American slaveholders before him, thinks their system would last forever.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So what do you not understand about these two sentences that EagleKepper posted --

You can not make peace with the Palestinians if they do not want to make peace with you.

At this point; they have demonstrated that peace is not desirable; only conflict.

So please explain what is so hard about these two little sentences??

 

[EagleKeeper]

The US forced the Indian tribes of their land and stuck them on small plots of land. Took away their livelyhood. They adapted, refused to be held down and have figured out a way go netter themselves.

Unlike the Palestinians who back the wrong horse, left enough manpower go make up 30-40% of the '48 attack force, ran away based on promissory of streets paved with gold. They made the bad choice and want to be rewarded.

Israel is not expecting their system to last forever just until the Arab are willing to accept Israel and agree to let het live with worries of being attacked.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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Have you ever read the old testament to the Christian bible, there are enough holy phrases in there to gag a maggot. What do you think Muslim Sharia law is based on? Because it comes straight from the pages of the Jewish old testament. The new testament that is mostly Christian, there are whole doctrines on killing Jews as Christ killers.

Paranoia and Xenophobia run deep, into your life it will creep. As me thinks cybrsage has embraced both in his heart and brain. Past the point he can think rationally.

That which I quoted was lifted from the Hamas charter.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

For those of you who are fond of making endless predictions that never ever come to pass......now mind you I can predict the world will come to an end ....... someday, eventually it probably will......

I do understand what other do not understand about Netenyahu but the facts are he is still very popular.

Those who try to partray Israel as a nation that is very divided are wrong!
Yet they are right sort of...when you allow people to speak freely and express there opinions.....it would seem so!

When you lump that with national security.....they are and will always be a very patriotic nation!

There are quite a few people who insist that the Israeli people are fed up with netanyahu and even make boisterous claims that there will be some sort of people revolt in favor of the Palestinians...blah...blah....blah......

Yet they fail to recognoize most people in Israel want to have a secure homeland!! That does nopt mean trusting another nation or a group of nations for their security.
Is it possible to give the Palestinians a state of their own? Yes....
Is it possible for Israel to have a secure country? YES..but....
In order for that to happen the Palestinians cannot have everything they want.......
The 1967 borders are not defendable and will not allow for a secure Israel....

So who predicted the demise of Netanyahu......



Israel's Netanyahu would win early election: poll

http://news.yahoo.com/israels-netanyahu-win-early-election-poll-113629328.html

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would win an election if it were held now, an opinion poll showed on Monday as he weighs strategy towards Iran's nuclear program and speculation grows that he will seek a renewed public mandate.

The next parliamentary election in Israel is not due until October 2013, but the right-wing premier signaled on Sunday he was considering moving up the ballot.

A slew of commentators, citing cracks in the governing coalition over formulating a new law that could force ultra-Orthodox Jews to serve in the conscript military, said Netanyahu may opt for an election as early as August or September.

On Saturday, a former Israeli spymaster branded the country's leaders as "messianic", in the strongest criticism yet from a security veteran of threats to launch a pre-emptive war to disable Iranian nuclear sites.

But a poll conducted on Sunday night and published in the popular Yedioth Ahronoth daily showed Netanyahu's Likud party winning 30 of 120 parliamentary seats if a ballot were held now, up from the 27 it currently holds.

Such a result would make him the leader of the largest faction and the likely candidate to form the next government.

"The poll indicates ... Netanyahu has no cause for concern, and he apparently knows it. He is not just going to elections, he's sprinting to them," Yedioth Ahronoth political correspondent Sima Kadmon wrote.

COALITION CALCULATIONS

Should Netanyahu lose the support of ultra-Orthodox coalition partners over the conscription issue, he could turn to centrist factions to replace them after the ballot.

No one party has ever won an outright parliamentary majority in an Israeli general election, and the poll indicated that would not change in the next ballot.

According to the survey, right-wing parties would control 61 parliamentary seats compared with 66 at present, giving Netanyahu a governing majority he would likely attempt to widen with centrist factions.

Israel's main opposition Kadima party - now the largest in parliament according to the poll - would drop from 28 seats to 11. The centrist Kadima recently replaced its leader, former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, with ex-defense chief Shaul Mofaz.

The survey showed the Labour Party, widely expected to gain strength from a wave of social protests that swept Israeli cities last summer, taking 18 seats, a steep rise from its current 8, and becoming the second largest faction.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's ultra-nationalist party Yisrael Beitenu, Netanyahu's biggest coalition partner, would capture 13 seats, down from its current 15, the poll showed.

The poll surveyed 500 people and has a margin of error of 4.5 percent.

In an interview with Yedioth Ahronoth's website, Ynet, Lieberman described an early election as a done deal. "It's now just a matter of (setting) dates," he said.

Lieberman has been a leading advocate of imposing military service on ultra-Orthodox Jews - most Jewish men and women are subject to the draft at the age of 18 - and requiring Israeli Arabs to perform national service outside the armed forces.

Ultra-Orthodox parties in the coalition have said they would fight such a move. The current conscription law expires in August and the government has to decide the issue soon.

Netanyahu has also been under pressure from pro-settler coalition partners and some outspoken Likud party members who have questioned his commitment to Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, where Palestinians seek a state.

Netanyahu's government has pledged to evict or raze numerous settlement outposts put up without official sanction, drawing warnings from some political allies that his coalition could collapse as a result.

That actually dissapoints me and my daughter severely.

We are both Jewish citizens but her daughter will never be one as long as the likes of Netty boi are in rule of the nation.

There is a difference between being defensive and offensive, Netty is the latter, his entire idea is based upon an ideology i can never support.

I hope for Israel to do better so that the homeland of my ancestors can one day be one for my grandchildren.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Wir mussen die Juden ausrotten.

I see your tune hasn't changed in the time i've been gone.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That which I quoted was lifted from the Hamas charter.

It's Lemon the Nazi, do you honestly think that you can say anything that is not going to fuel his hate for Jews further?

I just hope he blows himself up in an area where no one is hurt.

 

[Lemon law]

So what do you not understand about these two sentences that EagleKepper posted --

You can not make peace with the Palestinians if they do not want to make peace with you.

At this point; they have demonstrated that peace is not desirable; only conflict.

So please explain what is so hard about these two little sentences??

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JOS, your sentences are not a bit hard to understand, but when they are a pack of baseless lies, they are a pack of baseless lies, propaganda, and you repeating them does not make the lies any more credible.

Until Israel agrees to a real settlement freeze in disputed territory. why is Israel a credible peace partner when Israel is a past master of talk and talk and settle and settle while never even offering anything remotely resembling fair.

When the facts are, Israel has a zero % legitimate claim in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, while Israel can't even claim more than 1/2 of the pre 1967 borders of Israel. Why should the Palestinians ever sign off on their quite legitimate right to return? And if idiots like Bozo Netanyuhu kill off a Palestinian State deal, that is likely to be what the former apartheid State of Israel will end up with. Only half of 1948 Israel and 0 % of the disputed territories.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Until Israel agrees to a real settlement freeze in disputed territory.

I agree on this part alone, the rest is just misinformed bullsheit.

See, i'm not a fan of Nettys propaganda either, but you are just fucked up in the head.

Your problem is that you just hate Jews and Israel as much as Hamas does, i would NOT be surprised if you are a CT'er who thinks that Jews orchestrated 9/11 but know that you cannot express those views on this forum without being banned.

I have seen you going from raving to rabid, i've seen you make a sheitload of predictions that haven't come true, i've seen you plead and hope for the destruction of both the US and Israel efforts for peace and yet here you are, still spewing your bullsheit.

I think all of your propaganda and bullsheit is pathetic, but this forum is free until you get banned and apparently there is no limit to the hatred of Jews you can spew without getting banned.

You do realize that you quoted the wrong poster though, right? LOL, you can't think right, post right, write right or even quote right...

That's pathetic.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Palestinian's right or return is not legit.

They attacked Israel; they ran away from Israel and sided with the losing side.
Yet they expect to be rewarded.

So let Israel then pull the same stunt. They want to take over the West bank. If they fail; they deserve a second chance and a third chance for putting up a "valiant" effort.

That is what the Palestinians are asking for. A do over. So let Israel complete a do over - get rid of all the Palestinians that left Israel - push them onto the Arabs that helped cause the problems.

Oh wait; Jordan does not want them because they tried to cause troubles in Jordan.

The complete Sinai is available - Egypt contributed continually to the problem; push the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and move them out.

settlement issue is the only thing that will drive the Palestinians to the peace table. When Israel gives in to the Palestinian demands, new demands come out.
so let Israel force the issue. Talk or settlements - take your choice. That will hopefully get their attention in the next 5-10 years.

Pease and acceptance - simple but refused.

 

[Lemon law]

It's Lemon the Nazi, do you honestly think that you can say anything that is not going to fuel his hate for Jews further?

I just hope he blows himself up in an area where no one is hurt.

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No where do I criticize or confuse Israeli government behavior with Jewish behavior, as I criticize only Israel governmental policy from 1948 to the present. Because there is nothing compatible with my American values and Israeli government behavior.

And as you may recall, JOS, I was equally willing to criticize American government behavior in Afghanistan and explained why it was bound to lose, while you, JOS advocated increased stupidity in Afghanistan . As we can see which one of us proved right in the end.

And after all, if I was really anti-Semitic, I would be critical of every Jew in the USA and be spray painting swastika's on synagogs, and graveyard when I will never do anything of the kind. In fact one of the most humane men I ever met who was a card carrying holocaust survivor, grew up in Nazi Germany and witnessed the rise of the Nazi brown shirts, and did not see a dimes difference between them and Zionist leaders like Began and Netanyuhu.

As for me, like Martin Luther King and Gandhi, that people should be judged by the content of their character.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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No where do I criticize or confuse Israeli government behavior with Jewish behavior, as I criticize only Israel governmental policy from 1948 to the present. Because there is nothing compatible with my American values and Israeli government behavior.

And as you may recall, JOS, I was equally willing to criticize American government behavior in Afghanistan and explained why it was bound to lose, while you, JOS advocated increased stupidity in Afghanistan . As we can see which one of us proved right in the end.

And after all, if I was really anti-Semitic, I would be critical of every Jew in the USA and be spray painting swastika's on synagogs, and graveyard when I will never do anything of the kind. In fact one of the most humane men I ever met who was a card carrying holocaust survivor, grew up in Nazi Germany and witnessed the rise of the Nazi brown shirts, and did not see a dimes difference between them and Zionist leaders like Began and Netanyuhu.

As for me, like Martin Luther King and Gandhi, that people should be judged by the content of their character.

So how about that Hamas charter? How are you going to spin that? It is fundamental, a reflection of their character.