Another failed prediction......Netanyahu...

[Lemon law]

LL has made his statements that Netanyuhu was going down the toilet.

According to the information in the link; should he call for an early election; his party will increase their control.

That is not going down the tubes

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What EK fails to understand is that its not the face of the fearless leader of a country, its the shape of the policies in any given country that determines its future.

The current problem Netanyuhu past tense had, is that if he compromised with the Palestinians in any way, or failed to act four square for crazed settler parties, those elements advocating those policies would withdraw from the Netanyuhu coalition and force new elections. In short, Netanyuhu was a prisoner of nutty settler parties.

But now that new elections are called for anyway, Netanyuhu could still emerge on top with a new coalition of parties, and if that coalition advocates the formation of a Palestinian State, preventing illegal Israeli settlement in the disputed territory, its possible for the State of Israel to go off on a more reasonable and sustainable policy.

Its the coalitions made possible by new Israeli elections that will determine the future of Israel and not the figurehead on top. In many ways, its that inordinate influence the old Israeli coalition gave to crazed settler parties that has driven the Israeli name into international bad repute.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The leadership/governing coalitions are driven by he leadership and the objectives of the primary party within the coalition.

Not the other way around.

 

[Lemon law]

The leadership/governing coalitions are driven by he leadership and the objectives of the primary party within the coalition.

Not the other way around.

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Absolute bullshit EK, as Netanyuhu did everything to makes his settler parties happy, but still pissed enough Israeli moderates and realists that crashed his fragile coalition anyway. And now the shit has hit the fan in Israel, as new elections are a going to happen.

Or we could talk about the fate of good ole Tony Blair in England, as he pissed away all his popularity by being a toad and poodle for GWB, and at the first opportunity, Blair's own party replaced Blair with Gordan Brown.

And given the fact Netanyuhu polices have lead Israel in the wrong direction, why should we assume Netanyuhu will be reelected to lead a new coalition?

But that is up to the people of Israel and not me, so rather than engaging in pissing contests, I will content my self with how Israeli events on fold. But since Netanyuhu blew it, its hard to believe Israelis will still embrace him. Did't work that way when Netanyuhu got voted out in 1999 either.

 

[Jhhnn]

They showed previously that they would vote for another.

They choose whom they feel will lead them best for a given scenario.

Demagogues and warmongers have defined the scenario to their advantage throughout history, and have often managed to create war on the flimsiest of pretexts. Netanyahu seeks to accomplish the same ends, and has an audience particularly vulnerable to it, regardless of how things have changed in the last 75 years.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Absolute bullshit EK, as Netanyuhu did everything to makes his settler parties happy, but still pissed enough Israeli moderates and realists that crashed his fragile coalition anyway. And now the shit has hit the fan in Israel, as new elections are a going to happen.

Or we could talk about the fate of good ole Tony Blair in England, as he pissed away all his popularity by being a toad and poodle for GWB, and at the first opportunity, Blair's own party replaced Blair with Gordan Brown.

And given the fact Netanyuhu polices have lead Israel in the wrong direction, why should we assume Netanyuhu will be reelected to lead a new coalition?

But that is up to the people of Israel and not me, so rather than engaging in pissing contests, I will content my self with how Israeli events on fold. But since Netanyuhu blew it, its hard to believe Israelis will still embrace him. Did't work that way when Netanyuhu got voted out in 1999 either.

Some one did not read the polls which formed the basis of the thread

 

[EagleKeeper]

Demagogues and warmongers have defined the scenario to their advantage throughout history, and have often managed to create war on the flimsiest of pretexts. Netanyahu seeks to accomplish the same ends, and has an audience particularly vulnerable to it, regardless of how things have changed in the last 75 years.

In the past 75 years, things have changed from being attacked by nation states, to attack by proxies of nations states.

Israel still can not let down her guard.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Israel still can not let down her guard.

Yet people like Jhhnn and Lemon law and a whole slew of others in the interest of "PEACE" and giving the Palestinians a state would ask Israel to trust others with her own security........that will never ever fly....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Some one did not read the polls which formed the basis of the thread

As usual lemon is posting without reading or comprehending what was posted!!

Mention Netanyahu and Lemon starts foaming at the mouth....
Hell....Lemon can`t even spell the name correctly...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Yet people like Jhhnn and Lemon law and a whole slew of others in the interest of "PEACE" and giving the Palestinians a state would ask Israel to trust others with her own security........that will never ever fly....

Have the Palestinians demonstrated that Israel can let down her guard?

 

[Jhhnn]

Have the Palestinians demonstrated that Israel can let down her guard?

Have the Israelis demonstrated that they intend to make peace, at all, ever, rather than to continue taking from the Pals in the name of "security"?

Where does the territorial acquisition to achieve it end?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Peace has never been presented to Israel as an option by the Palestinians.

The Palestinians fought Israel in '48
They were running operations against Israel in '67
The PA/PLO/PLA/etc. attacked civilians outside of the country
The Palestinians have continued to attack Israel up though this past month.

Apparently, peace is not in their vocabulary; so Israel defends itself.
Israel will continue to take/control the territory needed until peace is provided.


The Palestinians have been told this multiple times; and it falls on deaf ears.

They want it all and to be absolved of their past transgression even while they perform fresh actions against Israel.


At some point; Israel will have to go back into Gaza and do some more rodent extermination. It is only because of Israel's past that they have not done what any other country like the US/China/Russia/NATO would have done; clean house to eliminate all the militant resistance; then walk away.

The West Bank may not be in such dire straights; but the same can happened.
Jordan had not problems with doing such.

 

[Lemon law]

As Ek says, "Some one did not read the polls which formed the basis of the thread."

As I point out to EK that early polls are notoriously unreliable. In short, the electioneering is not even started, new ideas and alternatives have yet to be put before the public, yet some people seem to think an early poll is something you can take to the bank.

 

[Lemon law]

Peace has never been presented to Israel as an option by the Palestinians.

The Palestinians fought Israel in '48
They were running operations against Israel in '67
The PA/PLO/PLA/etc. attacked civilians outside of the country
The Palestinians have continued to attack Israel up though this past month.

Apparently, peace is not in their vocabulary; so Israel defends itself.
Israel will continue to take/control the territory needed until peace is provided.


The Palestinians have been told this multiple times; and it falls on deaf ears.

They want it all and to be absolved of their past transgression even while they perform fresh actions against Israel.


At some point; Israel will have to go back into Gaza and do some more rodent extermination. It is only because of Israel's past that they have not done what any other country like the US/China/Russia/NATO would have done; clean house to eliminate all the militant resistance; then walk away.

The West Bank may not be in such dire straights; but the same can happened.
Jordan had not problems with doing such.

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Gotta love the way EK effortlessly applies collective guilt, if just one Palestinian is a rat fink. all Palestinians are. Yet when Israel's loveable Col. Eisner got caught on TV violently shoving a rifle into the face unarmed Belgium bicyclist, for no reason, Col Eisner is a all too typical Israeli exception.

But earth to EK, collective guilt and collective punishment is defined as an international war crime, and by that standard, if Netanyuhu is guilty of ordering it, all Israelis are criminals.

 

[EagleKeeper]

When the Palestinian leadership advocates the destruction of Israel - that Il apply to the "Palestinians"

When the leadership allows weapons to be fired from their territory continually - that I apply to the "Palestinians"

When the leaders prevents supplies from getting to the people that support political opponents,that I apply to the "Palestinians"

When the leadership encourages and sponsors rallies to attack Israel; that I apply to the "Palestinians"

there are Palestinian people that want to go on with their lives and there are Palestinian people that want to destroy their lives by hating Israel.

To the former, Israel is willing to work with; the later is what prevents it.

 

[Lemon law]

When the Palestinian leadership advocates the destruction of Israel - that Il apply to the "Palestinians"

When the leadership allows weapons to be fired from their territory continually - that I apply to the "Palestinians"

When the leaders prevents supplies from getting to the people that support political opponents,that I apply to the "Palestinians"

When the leadership encourages and sponsors rallies to attack Israel; that I apply to the "Palestinians"

there are Palestinian people that want to go on with their lives and there are Palestinian people that want to destroy their lives by hating Israel.

To the former, Israel is willing to work with; the later is what prevents it.

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Ek, if a single word of what you said were true, Israel would have offered the Palestinians
in the West Bank and ruled by Fatah, significant concessions because they recognize Israel's right to exits.

But Israel never offered Abbas a single concession at Annapolis, as the entire Arab would was there ready to recognize Israel's right to exists.

So please, EK, before you spread more meaningless Israeli propaganda, check to see if there is any basis in facts behind it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Ek, if a single word of what you said were true, Israel would have offered the Palestinians
in the West Bank and ruled by Fatah, significant concessions because they recognize Israel's right to exits.

But Israel never offered Abbas a single concession at Annapolis, as the entire Arab would was there ready to recognize Israel's right to exists.

So please, EK, before you spread more meaningless Israeli propaganda, check to see if there is any basis in facts behind it.

So Gaza does not count?
Why was the wall built along the West Bank?

 

[cybrsage]

So Gaza does not count?
Why was the wall built along the West Bank?

It was built to force the Israelis to stay inside Israel, the same reason the Soviets built the Berlin Wall.

Oh wait, it was for the opposite reason, my bad. It was meant to keep terrorists out. Actually works quite well, too.

 

[Lemon law]

So Gaza does not count?
Why was the wall built along the West Bank?

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Three questions EK.

(1) Since Israel can never own the disputed territories in the West Bank by UN charter, does it ever occur to you that the wall is illegal?

(2) Does it ever occur to you EK, that Fatah is not the only entity operating inside the West Bank? Or that Israel has become a magnet for international terrorist organizations all over the planet. And as terrorists increasing adopt rocket technology rather than suicide attacks, little bittie walls are scant protections.

(3) Given the fact Israel has gotten away with stealing Palestinian land for 64 years, and the world issue has only become much greater in recent years, what gives you the idea, EK, that Israel will keep getting away with it now that world consensus focuses on the more important issue, namely mid-east political stability. And when Israel's refusal to allow a Palestinian State, Israel is now becoming the greatest world threat to mid-east stability.

Hamas is already talking with the EU in terms of helping European state retain access to mid-east oil markets and Abbas is a heading to the UN general assembly. As for the USA and the UN who wants to form a human rights council to question the right of Israel to allow Israeli settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. As Obama tries to only delay that commissions formation until after the US elections in 11/12.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplom...-put-off-west-bank-settlements-probe-1.427744

In short EK, world pressure is building and building against Israeli retension of disputed territory and soon it going to get too expensive for even the USA to give a total blank check to Israel. I will grant one point, Netanyuhu has been very effective in delaying the inevitable, but in very much looks like Israel is going to have to get real regarding a Palestinian State. And now that Israel faces new elections, we don't yet know if a new ruling Israeli coalition may advocate a Palestinian State deal that will buy Israel a lasting peace.

 

[EagleKeeper]

When the Palestinians (as a whole, not fragments) give peace to Israel, then the discussions of territory can begin (per Oslo).

When was the last Palestinian election held to determine the governing party.
Last one I know about is 2006 - Hamas won. Hamas refuses to recognize Israel.

Fatah had no problem inciting Palestinians to attack Israel last year from the West Bank during a "celebration" - that shows a positive attitude toward peace?


A Palestinian state is reachable; if the Palestinians (as a potential state) are willing to give up violence against Israel and accept her legitimacy as a state.

Now if you are willing to treat the West Bank and Gaza as separate areas and each take responsibility of their own and corresponding actions; then state it.

You seem to forget that your famous Quartet laid out guidelines for the Palestinians; they have not followed them.
By going to the UN; the Palestinians have also broken the Oslo accords of solving the issues at the negotiating table. Which as aptly demonstrated; they refuse to do; they find excuses to not negotiate.

 

[EagleKeeper]

However, the thread is about the prediction/polls of Israel that the Pm is on his last legs according to your infamous crystal ball.

And is looks again like you will be batting 100%

 

[Lemon law]

It was built to force the Israelis to stay inside Israel, the same reason the Soviets built the Berlin Wall.

Oh wait, it was for the opposite reason, my bad. It was meant to keep terrorists out. Actually works quite well, too.

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Riddle me this cybrsage, if the Berlin wall was so effective, why is the Berlin wall no longer standing?

In short cybrsage, times change, and in the case of Israel, the entire mid-east has changed and Israel hasn't. Israel used to be able to depend on at least three semi-friendly mid-east neighbors, and now Israel is down to zero. And Israel is also rapidly losing most EU support.

Already at leas one British major supermarket chain refuses to buy produce grown in Israeli West Bank settlements. The same thing that doomed the former Apartheid State of South Africa.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Riddle me this cybrsage, if the Berlin wall was so effective, why is the Berlin wall no longer standing?

So what you are saying is that the world will eventually end and with that prediction eventually you will be correct......

 

[Lemon law]

So what you are saying is that the world will eventually end and with that prediction eventually you will be correct......

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Don't be ridiculous JediY, maybe the world will end, but if you think Israel will be the last nation standing, you are nuttier than a fruitcake.

Last time Israel climbed Mount Masada, they lost their happy Israel homeland for 1800 years. As Israeli idiots like Netanyuhu have seemingly learned nothing ever since,

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

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Don't be ridiculous JediY, maybe the world will end, but if you think Israel will be the last nation standing, you are nuttier than a fruitcake.

Last time Israel climbed Mount Masada, they lost their happy Israel homeland for 1800 years. As Israeli idiots like Netanyuhu have seemingly learned nothing ever since,

There is no maybe. The world WILL eventually end when the sun goes red giant and the Earth is burnt to a cinder. Nor is anyone claiming that Israel will be the last nation standing. However, the end of Israel most probably won't happen in your lifetime and might not happen in your children's (assumming you have any) lifetime, their children's, and their children's, etc.

We all know that nothing lasts forever so your proclamations regarding that are ultimately meaningless. It's like claiming the sun rises in the east so stop stating the obvious. Maybe what is more important is how long a nation does last. Regarding Israel's demise, it is highly unlikely you will see it in your lifetime. Hopefully that doesn't cause you to convulsively die of bitterness from never seeing your prediction come true. Good luck with that.

 

[Karl Agathon]

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Don't be ridiculous JediY, maybe the world will end, but if you think Israel will be the last nation standing, you are nuttier than a fruitcake.

Last time Israel climbed Mount Masada, they lost their happy Israel homeland for 1800 years. As Israeli idiots like Netanyuhu have seemingly learned nothing ever since,

Israel might not be the last nation standing, but I gaurantee you that the middle east (and possibly a few other nearby countries) wont be left standing either. Tens of millions dead, a sizable chunk of the planet unlivable for thousands of years. There was a clear winner and loser at Masada way back then. in this case, there wont be any winners. Escpecially the agressors!