Another death from pitbulls.

[DrPizza]

I agree with Alky on one point: you can breed for disposition, and it's done among many different types of animals, not just dogs.

However, I think his statistic is obviously too high - that 99.9% of the problems are caused by the owners. Using that logic, these idiot owners own pitbulls to the almost complete exclusion of other breeds, since other breeds aren't running around (as often) mauling people to death.

I do agree though that "pitbull" is an overused term. Somewhere online, there's a quiz with pictures of dogs and you have to identify the pitbulls from the pictures. Most people fail the quiz spectacularly.

 

[erikistired]

i would believe that 90% of thug wannabes own pits. around here you can get a pitbull puppy on craigslist for 25 bucks from a backyard breeder. it's kinda sickening, really.

 

[rudeguy]

I want a baby pitbull

 

[erikistired]

I want a baby pitbull

look on CL, it's full of them.

 

[datalink7]

I agree with Alky on one point: you can breed for disposition, and it's done among many different types of animals, not just dogs.

However, I think his statistic is obviously too high - that 99.9% of the problems are caused by the owners. Using that logic, these idiot owners own pitbulls to the almost complete exclusion of other breeds, since other breeds aren't running around (as often) mauling people to death.

I do agree though that "pitbull" is an overused term. Somewhere online, there's a quiz with pictures of dogs and you have to identify the pitbulls from the pictures. Most people fail the quiz spectacularly.

I would say that owners are a huge problem for Pit Bulls.

1. You can get a Pit Bull for cheap ($50-$100)
2. Pit Bulls are "bad ass" dogs for that show you are a "tough guy"
3. Pit Bulls have a greater propensity towards aggression if not raised properly

These have led to a greater than average amount of bad owners and therefor bad dogs.

German Shepherds are also likely to be aggressive and bite if they aren't raised properly. However, they are different in that:

1. They are expensive (a lot are $1500+, but even a very cheap backyard one from a bad breeder is still most likely $500+)
2. They aren't a "tough guy" dog. They are seen as a police or military working dog.

This means that a lot more German Shepherds find better owners who actually know about the breed and can raise them properly.

And as for mis identifying Pit Bull, you are right. Here is a test (maybe the one you were thinking of):

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

 

[alkemyst]

I agree with Alky on one point: you can breed for disposition, and it's done among many different types of animals, not just dogs.

However, I think his statistic is obviously too high - that 99.9% of the problems are caused by the owners. Using that logic, these idiot owners own pitbulls to the almost complete exclusion of other breeds, since other breeds aren't running around (as often) mauling people to death.

I do agree though that "pitbull" is an overused term. Somewhere online, there's a quiz with pictures of dogs and you have to identify the pitbulls from the pictures. Most people fail the quiz spectacularly.

It's always been this way with the losers of society, except today we have more losers and the pitbull is the dogue du jour...70's and 80's you had shepherds, pinchers, and rottweilers. All those dogs were in the news...now we have the internet so instead of just local stories you get global ones.

No to mention today it's almost encouraged to be a 'gangsta'...look at those fucknuts from north florida...14 and 15 year olds all tattooed and pierced up, two were reportedly living together.

It's just fucked up.

 

[alkemyst]

3. Pit Bulls have a greater propensity towards aggression if not raised properly

Terriers in general which the Pit Bull is part of...

When Frazier was popular Jack Russells became popular as well, there were quite a few stories of the JRT killing another much larger dog, a lot of the time another family pet and not even a stranger.

 

[SlickSnake]

I am interested where I have been delusional...

Also I am equally curious how anyone was packing in there backyard with their cat and then gets attacked by two dogs that got away.

Simple, I went outside when I heard loud barking and cat howls to see what was going on. When I realized what it was, I ran across the yard and tried to stop it by kicking at the dogs and protecting my cat, and one of them turned on me, and attacked me. Then I went in the house, bleeding from multiple bite wounds, including to my hands, picked up a 357 magnum, went back outside and fired at the dogs at least a hundred feet away while they were spazzing out and jumping up and down still attacking my cat, and when the gun went off on the first round, they got startled and ran past me along the fence line. And I still couldn't get a good shot off since they were still pretty far away and because I was injured and bleeding on my hands.

BTW, the dogs were later found, quarantined for a rabies watch, then released back to the owners. They claimed they got out because their kids came home from school, and the dogs charged the kids knocking them down and ran out the gate. The owners had not registered them or given them required rabies shots, however, so the cops were able to give them tickets for that.

 

[SlickSnake]

This. IMO, Slicksnake's "experiences" reek of bullshit. And even then, his accounting of his own pit's failings sound like his fault.

BS, hardly, but thanks for playing the stupid card anyhow.

And how do you figure my pits failings were somehow my fault? Was it my fault the neighbors bratty kid used to sit in the tree next door and shoot my dogs with a BB gun and a sling shot and the parents refused to make him stop? I'm sure he was tormenting this dog while I was away at work, too.

This dog spent almost his entire life in a large fenced backyard, and was difficult to train even as a puppy. I had no trouble at all training my other dogs in the past to behave, be social and do a few tricks. I also could not find a professional trainer 25 years ago willing to take on pitbulls, especially after I described the problems I was having with him towards the other dogs already. They said they were too dangerous, related some attack stories they had, and told me good luck. And my options for training were very limited then to a few phone book ads for dog training.

But please, tell us all again what a training master of the intimate dog mannerisms you are, since you must not work and have plenty of spare time on your hands and spend 24 hours a day studying your pitbulls every eye flinch and tail jerk and recording it to memory.

 

[zerocool84]

BS, hardly, but thanks for playing the stupid card anyhow.

And how do you figure my pits failings were somehow my fault? Was it my fault the neighbors bratty kid used to sit in the tree next door and shoot my dogs with a BB gun and a sling shot and the parents refused to make him stop? I'm sure he was tormenting this dog while I was away at work, too.

This dog spent almost his entire life in a large fenced backyard, and was difficult to train even as a puppy. I had no trouble at all training my other dogs in the past to behave, be social and do a few tricks. I also could not find a professional trainer 25 years ago willing to take on pitbulls, especially after I described the problems I was having with him towards the other dogs already. They said they were too dangerous, related some attack stories they had, and told me good luck. And my options for training were very limited then to a few phone book ads for dog training.

But please, tell us all again what a training master of the intimate dog mannerisms you are, since you must not work and have plenty of spare time on your hands and spend 24 hours a day studying your pitbulls every eye flinch and tail jerk and recoding it to memory.

Then you obviously had the wrong type of dog for yourself. There are breeds of dogs that need more attention then others. If you cannot give that breed the attention then you shouldn't have that type of dog.

 

[SlickSnake]

and i thought alkemyst lived in a world of delusion.

you can cross breed whatever you want, but that doesn't guarantee anything. you make it sound like they found the vicious gene and are amping it up while breeding their dogs.

did a pitbull bang your mom and cause your parents to divorce or something? perhaps you should try getting laid, get some of that childhood angst out.

wow, you really need to do some research on how the media sensationalizes certain topics that push the right buttons to get them ratings. hating dogs is unhealthy enough, i can't imagine what else you believe from what you've seen on the 5 o'clock news.

Maybe if you weren't so tired, Erik, your delusional reading comprehension would be a bit better next time. I stated earlier I had an unfortunate event with pitbulls attacking me and paralyzing a cat, but if you hadn't skipped to the end of the topic to post, you'd know that already and not be posting a jackass statement like that. Of course, most of your comments were jackass statements, anyway, and Alkemyst would certainly agree.

So you can't breed a dog for a vicious temperament now? Please show me where that's the case. Oh right, you can't. More blind and delusional pitbull love on your part, I'm afraid. And just because I might dislike a breed you psychotically love, certainly don't imply I hate dogs, or it's somehow unhealthy to do so.

And your also claiming everything on the 5 o'clock news is a lie? Should I start doubting the weatherman and the sportscasters scores? So at least SOME of the news isn't sensationalized to death. But if you think it's all a lie and sensationalized if someone DIES from an attack by a pitbull, that seems pretty delusional to me.

 

[SlickSnake]

Then you obviously had the wrong type of dog for yourself. There are breeds of dogs that need more attention then others. If you cannot give that breed the attention then you shouldn't have that type of dog.

I agree. But if you followed this entire thread, you would know I found this dog in a trash can at work, as in, the previous owners of the puppy threw it away and did not want it.

As a puppy, it was cute enough, and I had no idea it would grow into a 100 pound plus mixed breed pitbull that would rip fence boards off my fence and terrorize my other 2 docile dogs it grew up with. BTW, my other 2 dogs did not act viscous like that, and it was never mistreated by me unless you consider using the bristles of a broom on it to swat it away when it was attacking my other dogs mistreatment. I tried to give it away multiple times, and nobody ever responded to my ads and wanted it. I was stuck with it, and it with me, until I moved away.

There are just as many parents out there who have misbehaving kids they can't control, too, but those kids rarely bite another kid to death. But the vocal defenders of pitbulls all seem to make it sound like they are so easy to train and control if your not stupid. If that was so, you would see them trained professionally for police and military work, when in fact, a government agency will not touch them because the trainers and handlers don't want to deal with them, either.

 

[Harrod]

I have a sister who her and her husband brought thier new dog, a pit bull that someone gave to them, to my parents house on easter Sunday.

I was sitting in my parents living room when I here screaming coming from the kitchen, I run in there assuming the worst thinking it has one of the kids, to see this dog(who of-course has never done this before) latched onto my parents dog and will not let go. My brothers wife gets her kids out of the room and then we did everything we could to get it to let go, there was blood everywhere. We finally get it to release, I really wish that there was a gun nearby to shoot it in the head and get it over with, this is one of the most terrifying situations I've ever been in. My sister and her husband were so upset over the incident that they left.

Later I called them and told them that they are being pretty foolish for keeping a dog that is 8 years old without any kind of history, they said that they planned on keeping the dog, I also told them that most people will sue you if you dog viscously attacks there dog. They are acting like jackasses, it's people with this mentality that really scares me. I'm not sure what they are waiting for, I guess someone elses dog isn't enough, I guess they are waiting for it to hurt a human.

 

[zerocool84]

I agree. But if you followed this entire thread, you would know I found this dog in a trash can at work, as in, the previous owners of the puppy threw it away and did not want it.

As a puppy, it was cute enough, and I had no idea it would grow into a 100 pound plus mixed breed pitbull that would rip fence boards off my fence and terrorize my other 2 docile dogs it grew up with. BTW, my other 2 dogs did not act viscous like that, and it was never mistreated by me unless you consider using the bristles of a broom on it to swat it away when it was attacking my other dogs mistreatment. I tried to give it away multiple times, and nobody ever responded to my ads and wanted it. I was stuck with it, and it with me, until I moved away.

There are just as many parents out there who have misbehaving kids they can't control, too, but those kids rarely bite another kid to death. But the vocal defenders of pitbulls all seem to make it sound like they are so easy to train and control if your not stupid. If that was so, you would see them trained professionally for police and military work, when in fact, a government agency will not touch them because the trainers and handlers don't want to deal with them, either.

lulz so because low enforcement chooses a different dog that's better suited for their type of work means that no one will touch it? Well that just shows your ignorance. German Shepherds are right up there as one of the most aggressive breeds out there. Plus, kids that are ignored by their parents ARE the ones that join gangs and get into trouble and assault, murder, and steal so I don't understand what you're trying to get at there.

 

[ahenkel]

My dog is a rescue most likely she's half pit half dalmatian. She's really sweet, generally timid, most likely abused. She used to pee when tall men aproached and if I stood up she would leave the room. She also also still flinches and shakes if I raise a hand too fast. She's good with kids and likes play fighting with people, and she's never tried to kill any of our livestock.

That being said when it comes to other dogs especially female dogs she goes full on retarded aggro. She went after my grandma's dog and took her eye out. In this case it wasn't as bad as it sounds because grandma's dogs' eye was already dead from a prior accident a few years earlier.

The thing is we had no Idea this behavior was present when we got her, and it didn't even show up the first couple times they interacted. We've attempted to correct the behavior and my dog if she gets out goes as far as stopping when you tell her to, but I'd like to be able to let my dog out and run around. Her behavior so far doesn't leave much faith in me so she gets to go in a fenced of portion of the property while the other dog runs free.

 

[alkemyst]

Simple, I went outside when I heard loud barking and cat howls to see what was going on. When I realized what it was, I ran across the yard and tried to stop it by kicking at the dogs and protecting my cat, and one of them turned on me, and attacked me. Then I went in the house, bleeding from multiple bite wounds, including to my hands, picked up a 357 magnum, went back outside and fired at the dogs at least a hundred feet away while they were spazzing out and jumping up and down still attacking my cat, and when the gun went off on the first round, they got startled and ran past me along the fence line. And I still couldn't get a good shot off since they were still pretty far away and because I was injured and bleeding on my hands.

BTW, the dogs were later found, quarantined for a rabies watch, then released back to the owners. They claimed they got out because their kids came home from school, and the dogs charged the kids knocking them down and ran out the gate. The owners had not registered them or given them required rabies shots, however, so the cops were able to give them tickets for that.

You had said they got away...it's odd you didn't qualify that with they found them then.

Still another good example why cats should be inside like everything else in outside farms.

 

[alkemyst]

My dog is a rescue most likely she's half pit half dalmatian. She's really sweet, generally timid, most likely abused. She used to pee when tall men aproached and if I stood up she would leave the room. She also also still flinches and shakes if I raise a hand too fast. She's good with kids and likes play fighting with people, and she's never tried to kill any of our livestock.

That being said when it comes to other dogs especially female dogs she goes full on retarded aggro. She went after my grandma's dog and took her eye out. In this case it wasn't as bad as it sounds because grandma's dogs' eye was already dead from a prior accident a few years earlier.

The thing is we had no Idea this behavior was present when we got her, and it didn't even show up the first couple times they interacted. We've attempted to correct the behavior and my dog if she gets out goes as far as stopping when you tell her to, but I'd like to be able to let my dog out and run around. Her behavior so far doesn't leave much faith in me so she gets to go in a fenced of portion of the property while the other dog runs free.

The main problem is despite their beliefs, most people are incapable of correcting a dog like this...WTF you still keeping her for, it's obvious you have failed at making the dog safe and already had that accident waiting to happen.

This is a prime example of how poor choices of the owner lead to others getting hurt.

 

[alkemyst]

Then you obviously had the wrong type of dog for yourself. There are breeds of dogs that need more attention then others. If you cannot give that breed the attention then you shouldn't have that type of dog.

The problem for most is one people tend to overestimate their previously training dogs and two had dogs that are known to be simple to train.

In reality the smarter the dog, the harder it is to not only train but to keep from being destructive.

Most people get dogs and don't even walk the fucker, sending your dog out back because "you have a yard" doesn't satisfy the dogs nomad type instinct where it wants to roam his 'borders' and then investigate new territory.

I used to take my dog to dog park every day. My new job doesn't get me home in time, but I still give him good walks and get him there on Sat and Sun and any other day I am off.

The sad part is most other owners reply "man I don't even walk my dog every day"

 

[dabuddha]

Need to get rid of pit bulls completely. Anyone who still hangs on to the "belief" that they're peaceful dogs is delusional.

 

[alkemyst]

Need to get rid of pit bulls completely. Anyone who still hangs on to the "belief" that they're peaceful dogs is delusional.

Sorry but you are a fucking idiot if you believe the 'breed' is bad.

 

[Gooberlx2]

But please, tell us all again what a training master of the intimate dog mannerisms you are, since you must not work and have plenty of spare time on your hands and spend 24 hours a day studying your pitbulls every eye flinch and tail jerk and recording it to memory.

lulz, obviously I never asserted anything of the like, but I appreciate the hyperbole.

As mentioned, it wasn't the dog for you. However I do consider not knowing the breed, how to handle/train it, how to keep it, or remedying the issue with your neighbor all your fault.

Also: http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/resident-dog-vs-family-dog/

 

[EliteRetard]

I would say that owners are a huge problem for Pit Bulls.

*snip*

And as for mis identifying Pit Bull, you are right. Here is a test (maybe the one you were thinking of):

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

For somebody who knows what a pitbull is thats easy...first try. Shelby-Chan!

People throw out all these utter bullshit statistics that show 1000 to 1 pit bulls attack more than anything else. Not only are those numbers horribly scewed by people misidentifying the dog, many times purposely, but as has also been stated (I'd even say proven) other dog breeds do not get the news. So lets see...a golden retriever kills someone but it doesnt count because its a goldie. Wrongly identified dog labeled as a pit (or perhaps it actually has some pit in it) kills someone and it counts as 200.

Well hot damn pit pulls are horrible dogs! Thats a 200 to 1 kill ratio, they must be a horrible animal. KILL THEM ALL! AND EVERYONE WHO OWNS THEM! HAIL HITLER! And Ive seen a lot of worthless trash people posting in here, the types who would randomly attack an innocent dog for no reason (as has happened to my sisters dog) and if it just happened that the dog turned and defended itself those people would claim they were attacked out of the blue.

The reality is yes, this dog attracts the wrong kind of owner and it does indeed posess the ability to kill a human. Because of this they have a slightly higher rate of attacking/harming/killing people...but the figures are severely wrong against pits and most of the problem animals are indeed because of the owners and sometimes stupid bastards who have something against them.

In real life, properly trained pits "just randomly attacking someone" is equal to or even less than breeds like golden retreivers who have less loyalty and are considered "safe" and thus actually pose more of a risk.

And I have never made any excuses for a bad animal or owner...Ill put a bullet in any animal deserving (and fully support prosecution of bad owners), but thats just as likely a goldie as it is a pit or a lab etc.

If you think otherwise you are severely misinformed and/or bigoted and biased...and you should be kept away from children. You are more harmfull than any dog could be. RACISM IS BAD.

 

[EliteRetard]

" Most people get dogs and don't even walk the fucker, sending your dog out back because "you have a yard" I used to take my dog to dog park every day. My new job doesn't get me home in time, but I still give him good walks and get him there on Sat and Sun and any other day I am off. "

" http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil...vs-family-dog/ "

All of this a huge YES. Most people who just "own" a dog say they trained it (Whoa! you got it to play fetch?!) and that its never hurt anyone etc. Its really been neglected and has NOT been trained properly. Alkemyst sounds like a good owner, even though his cicumstances have changed he has not neglected his duty to his animal. He may not be able to go to the park everyday now, but he still does a walk everyday and gets him there when he can. This is huge.

Hell same thing applies to many people and their kids. Its like a status symbol nowadays...get laid have a kid or buy some dog to brag about but you really dont give a crap or really take care of it. When the dog or kid missbehaves its all societies fault (or in the case of the dog its all the breed) or somebody elses fault.

And the argument that "pits aren't used in more official business means they are bad", well thats stupid too. Much of the reason they aren't used is because of this extreme irrational fear of the breed. My sister has taken her pit in volunteer seach and rescue and it has saved people. But next time you get yourself lost in the woods or stuck in a flood or whatever other stupid thing you get yourself into, my sisters pit wont be there to save you (it was seriously injured by some jackass who attacked it for no reason).

 

[dainthomas]

Terriers in general which the Pit Bull is part of...

When Frazier was popular Jack Russells became popular as well, there were quite a few stories of the JRT killing another much larger dog, a lot of the time another family pet and not even a stranger.

We have a Boston Terrier who is very sweet, but has a very strong bite for a dog that size. While she's playing fetch, I can pick her up by the frisbee and she'll hang on for quite a while.

Of course being pretty small even for her breed (10-11 pounds soaking wet), she's no danger to anything larger than a guinea pig.

 

[EliteRetard]

Size is no measure of safety...it can still seriously injure somebody, or kill a child. Not saying yours would, but there is a huge false sense of security with smaller animals.