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HamburgerBoy

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That's why I said the US is an outlier. If you remove suicides there's no nice linear correlation showing that deaths increase as firearm saturation increases. There's just a blob of countries with low homicide rates, and then the US.

Note that the US also has a higher non-firearm homicide rate than most of Western and Northern Europe. If the US has a homicide problem--a claim I dispute, since most homicides are criminals killing other criminals--it's certainly not because of firearms.

Ah, OK. Just eyeballing his figure ignoring the USA entirely I don't see what looks like any kind of respectable correlation, even including suicides, so I misinterpreted your intent.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize you didn't want to discuss the subject in relation to gun ownership and would simply default to being obtuse.

Maybe it should be required though. Just maybe...

Shall not be infringed. There's no maybe, only NO. NO COMPROMISE!
 

TerryMathews

Lifer
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize you didn't want to discuss the subject in relation to gun ownership and would simply default to being obtuse.

Maybe it should be required though. Just maybe...

You didn't bring up anything to discuss. Let me help.

Are we insuring:
-The gun?
-The shooter?
-Both?

For:
-Property damage
-Loss of life
-Wrongful imprisonment
-Something else

Who will provide this insurance? Will it be regulated a la Obamacare?

Now there's some serious things for us to discuss. Please, proceed.

And for the funny:

Will it have mandatory maternity coverage? :D Lord knows my gun needs it. Lol
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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How is that infringing?

I mean you know you can't have RPGs, right?

Also, you hurt your cause with this kind of rhetoric.

Requiring me to purchase a product to exercise my RIGHTS is infringement.

How about you need to purchase insurance in order to speak freely or exercise your religion? How's that sound?

See how ridiculous you gun grabbers sound?
 

TerryMathews

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Requiring me to purchase a product to exercise my RIGHTS is infringement.

How about you need to purchase insurance in order to speak freely or exercise your religion? How's that sound?

See how ridiculous you gun grabbers sound?

I asked one of them if they would support purchasing a tax stamp before having an abortion.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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Well because YOU said no I am sure it will never happen :rolleyes:

It's what I write my reps and senators and it's what they assure me they will do. Well not my rep, but Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell. My state is one of the most free in the Union

How'd that senate vote go the last time democrats tried to limit our constitutional rights?

Your side lost, there will be no gun control because the country rejects the notion of restricting and infringing upon our rights.
 
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Requiring me to purchase a product to exercise my RIGHTS is infringement.

How about you need to purchase insurance in order to speak freely or exercise your religion? How's that sound?

See how ridiculous you gun grabbers sound?

You have to purchase a product to exercise your second amendment rights anyway, unless you're arguing that upon gaining citizenship, everyone be given a free gun. Which actually sounds like a pretty good platform for Republicans to run on.
 

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
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You have to purchase a product to exercise your second amendment rights anyway, unless you're arguing that upon gaining citizenship, everyone be given a free gun. Which actually sounds like a pretty good platform for Republicans to run on.

What's your point? You need to own property to exercise your 4th Amendment rights as well.

EDIT: Well, with the exception of a nudist being given an oral or rectal cavity search.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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Requiring me to purchase a product to exercise my RIGHTS is infringement.

How about you need to purchase insurance in order to speak freely or exercise your religion? How's that sound?

See how ridiculous you gun grabbers sound?

You cause pain.

Knock it off.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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It's what I write my reps and senators and it's what they assure me they will do. Well not my rep, but Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell. My state is one of the most free in the Union

How'd that senate vote go the last time democrats tried to limit our constitutional rights?

Your side lost, there will be no gun control because the country rejects the notion of restricting and infringing upon our rights.

Trust me, if Paul & McConnell thought they'd lose their jobs
by voting against gun control, they'd hop on the bandwagon in an instant.
 

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
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Ah, OK. Just eyeballing his figure ignoring the USA entirely I don't see what looks like any kind of respectable correlation, even including suicides, so I misinterpreted your intent.

Out of boredom I tried to replicate the figure but for total deaths, non-homicide deaths, and homicides alone and received R^2s of 0.462 (not bad at all by social science standards), 0.5032 (oh snap maybe they have a point), and 0.0557 (oops guess not) respectively. And I took the liberty of removing Argentina, Barbados, and Chile just to make it look better for them since, you know, it only counts if it's a fairly prosperous European country (or a wealthy Asian country). Isn't that interesting? Accidental gun deaths have a decent correlation with the amount of guns available, yet gun homicides have virtually no correlation. It's almost as if guns aren't sentient beings. :hmm:
 

spidey07

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Trust me, if Paul & McConnell thought they'd lose their jobs
by voting against gun control, they'd hop on the bandwagon in an instant.

But no way in hell will that ever happen.

How did that gun control bill work out in the senate when the democrats were bathed in the blood of sandy hook screaming think of the children?

That's right, it didn't. Because the senators knew they would lose their jobs if they voted yes on ANY gun control. It's not going to happen. 2nd Amendment supporter has been growing and continues to grow. Firearm and ammunition sales are setting records every month. More and more women are arming themselves for protection. Know what causes more support?

The gun grabbers asking for more restrictions on our rights. So keep pushing please.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
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What? It's exactly the same as what you're proposing.

That "pain" is unmistakable logic breaking your emotional arguments.

Nothing you say is exactly like anything I say.

The pain is your inability to reconcile ideology with reality. It's tedium and banality.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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Nothing you say is exactly like anything I say.

The pain is your inability to reconcile ideology with reality. It's tedium and banality.

Well spit it out then. You want me to purchase insurance to exercise my constitutional rights.

I say you need to purchase insurance to exercise yours if that's what you want. It's exactly the same.
 

Matt1970

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Crime involving black people; what, it's just a crime stat - not racism.

Crime involving white people; THAT'S RACIST!!!shift+1!!!!

You reply to my post about racism with more racism. There are plenty of websites where racists such as yourself go around hating whitey or whatever, but this isn't one of them.
 

smackababy

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Crime involving black people; what, it's just a crime stat - not racism.

Crime involving white people; THAT'S RACIST!!!shift+1!!!!

Post involving Newell Steamer; total shit.

Just can it troll. You have added zero in the 2,000 posts you've made.

You're not giving stats, you're just saying "white people omg!" babble.