Another day, another school shooting

[jackstar7]

Especially after yesterday.

We just sent out party a giant can of "follow your constituents wishes or GTFO".

I suggest perhaps your party needs a dose of the same.

As far as my idea: simple, allow everyone to use NICS. Hell, make it a requirement. I don't care about true background checks.

I will fight tooth and nail against a backdoor transfer tax.

What about liability insurance?

 

[xj0hnx]

Lol! I'll take that as you conceding that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about nor do you have any idea what the OP's point was.

Like most righties, you pussy out when challenged.

No, I know exactly what I am talking about, I am trying to explain to you that you do not have the mental faculties to carry on this charade, pretending that you have made some point because you are too dumb to understand what the words you were staring at meant.

I know this is all real confusing to you, but give it time, read it all again, maybe have your mommy help with the bigger words, and more complex sentences, and you'll get it in no time.

 

[michal1980]

so much this.

Dems always want 'compromise' but never want to give anything.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I asked before, and sadly I was not surprised at the answer, if any one would object to stringent background checks if they KNEW, with 100% certainty it would prevent one single mass shooting. Some people objected to that, as pathetic as that is, some did.

And if this stringent background check prevented someone from receiving a firearm in time to be used for lawful defense? Or if this stringent background check was so stringent as to forbid non-threatening individuals from operating firearms? A single mass shooting is as meaningless as a single shoe bomb or a single DUI mass-manslaughter.

 

[QuantumPion]

Guns: the only thing that matters in life.

Citizenship is not for everyone. Most people are perfectly content being sheep or slaves. For the rest of us, "give me liberty or give me death" applies.

 

[BoberFett]

Gay Marriage: the only thing that matters in life.

 

[BoberFett]

Voting Without An ID : the only thing that matters in life.

 

[BoberFett]

Healthcare: the only thing that matters in life.

 

[BoberFett]

Oh, is it possible to be interested in more than one aspect of life?

 

[smackababy]

Oh, is it possible to be interested in more than one aspect of life?

Multi aspect interest: the only thing that matters in life.

 

[spidey07]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women - the only thing that matters in life.

 

[jhbball]

Oh, is it possible to be interested in more than one aspect of life?

Oh, I forgot Benghazi too.

 

[jhbball]

Citizenship is not for everyone. Most people are perfectly content being sheep or slaves. For the rest of us, "give me liberty or give me death" applies.

"Give me guns, or give me death."

 

[Venix]

It's clear there is a correlation between gun ownership rates and gun related deaths.

Of course there are other factors at play here. Poverty and mental health screening being other key factors, but the link is undeniable. People that suggest otherwise are just lying through their hillbilly teeth.

70% of US firearm deaths on that chart are suicides. Eliminate suicides and the correlation disappears.

The US is still firmly in the top right of the chart, but as an obvious outlier. Most of the countries in the middle of the chart drop to near zero, and the linear correlation between ownership and death rate completely disappears. Similarly, there is no correlation between firearm ownership and homicide across states, but a strong correlation between ownership and suicide.

Conflating "deaths" and "homicides" is a slimy tactic that anti-gun groups routinely use because the real numbers don't support their agenda. Mass shootings are actually becoming less common, and violent crime is near 50 year lows.

 

[jackstar7]

What about liability insurance?

Yeah... what about this?

 

[spidey07]

This kind of story happens every day. Good guy with gun shoot bad guys with guns. Wifey even got some shots off as well.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/cr...534f-82e6-d36ccba40c38.html?mobile_touch=true

ST. LOUIS • A husband and wife armed with guns were able to stave off an apparent home invasion Monday night, police said.

One man was killed and a second taken to a hospital in the incident, which happened about 11 p.m. in the 4600 block of Newport Avenue.

Police say a 17-year-old girl who lived at the home was outside retrieving something from her car when she was approached by two masked and armed men who forced her into her house, using her as a shield.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women - the only thing that matters in life.

what a sad, sad, little fucking man-child you are.

 

[jhbball]

this kind of story happens every day. Good guy with gun shoot bad guys with guns. Wifey even got some shots off as well.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/cr...534f-82e6-d36ccba40c38.html?mobile_touch=true

real. American. Heroes.

 

[spidey07]

what a sad, sad, little fucking man-child you are.

Do you even Barbarian bro?

 

[nehalem256]

Conflating "deaths" and "homicides" is a slimy tactic that anti-gun groups routinely use because the real numbers don't support their agenda. Mass shootings are actually becoming less common, and violent crime is near 50 year lows.

Not to forget that since the year 200 you are actually more likely to die in a mass shooting in Norway than the United States.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

70% of US firearm deaths on that chart are suicides. Eliminate suicides and the correlation disappears.

The US is still firmly in the top right of the chart, but as an obvious outlier. Most of the countries in the middle of the chart drop to near zero, and the linear correlation between ownership and death rate completely disappears. Similarly, there is no correlation between firearm ownership and homicide across states, but a strong correlation between ownership and suicide.

Conflating "deaths" and "homicides" is a slimy tactic that anti-gun groups routinely use because the real numbers don't support their agenda. Mass shootings are actually becoming less common, and violent crime is near 50 year lows.

tbh firearm homicides are still disproportionately high relative to the countries shown in that graph. If anything, excluding suicides probably helps his case considering that a hunting rifle (something still available in many Western and Northern European countries) is still perfectly adequate to commit suicide.

EDIT: For example...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

The firearm homicide/suicide split in the USA is about 1-to-2, yet in France, Finland, the Czech Republic it's about 1-to-10, in Germany and Sweden roughly 1-to-5, etc.

 

[smackababy]

Do you even Barbarian bro?

That is actually a Genghis Khan quote.

 

[TerryMathews]

Yeah... what about this?

What about it? Its a product.

 

[MrPickins]

You are going off on a tangent without knowing jack shit about this shooting.

Let's assume... Let's predict the following:

The shooter was another student who for whatever reason targeted the other student. The reason for purposes of discussion doesn't matter.

Predicting that... Where did the student get a semi-automatic handgun? (assuming it had to be a handgun as he got it into school or on school grounds - article mentions it was a semi-automatic)

Where did he get it? Probably owned by one of his parents. How? Because his jackass parent(s) kept it unlocked and ready by the nightstand, in the night stand, etc... Either that they kept it locked up and the kid knew the combination, where the key was etc.

The problem isn't the firearm. The need isn't more gun control. The solution is taking this parent (regardless of additional offspring in the picture) and charging them with accessory to murder/facilitating a murder and locking them up for ten+ years. Edit: When people see other gun owners paying that penalty, a large number of otherwise responsible gun owners will become actually responsible gun owners.

If my prediction isn't true or even close to true, I'll gladly engage the the normal gun crime banter here...

This is about responsible gun ownership. This is about enforcing stiff penalties for gun owners who do not control the access and safety of their weapons at all times. I say that as a gun owner. I say that as a rabid 2nd amendment supporter. I say that as an owner of scary black rifles. I say that as a parent with a child in my house.

I don't necessarily think its the guns. Why people are wanting to kill numerous strangers needs to be examined in closer detail. Dismissing them as crazies to focus on the guns is extremely easy and gets us no where. A guy doesn't one day wake up looking to murder people. Obviously they have exhausted all forms of help and end up wanting to take out as many as possible before killing themselves. Society has completely failed them at that point. I believe part of it has to do with a less social society and more introverted people.

I couldn't agree more.

Kudos to you both. :thumbsup:

 

[Venix]

tbh firearm homicides are still disproportionately high relative to the countries shown in that graph. If anything, excluding suicides probably helps his case considering that a hunting rifle (something still available in many Western and Northern European countries) is still perfectly adequate to commit suicide.

That's why I said the US is an outlier. If you remove suicides there's no nice linear correlation showing that deaths increase as firearm saturation increases. There's just a blob of countries with low homicide rates, and then the US.

Note that the US also has a higher non-firearm homicide rate than most of Western and Northern Europe. If the US has a homicide problem--a claim I dispute, since most homicides are criminals killing other criminals--it's certainly not because of firearms.