The Green Bean
Diamond Member
How come more Lebanese civilians have died if only Hezbollah is targetting civilians?
More Israeli soldiers have been killed that civilians. However, more Lebanese people have been killed than Hezbollah fighters.
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How come more Lebanese civilians have died if only Hezbollah is targetting civilians?
More Israeli soldiers have been killed that civilians. However, more Lebanese people have been killed than Hezbollah fighters.
The Green Bean
Diamond Member
So it is agreed Israel is an committing an evil act as well?
And you support Nazi acts of collective punishment? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane
Hard to distinguish between the nazis and Israelis.
The Green Bean
Diamond Member
1000 civilians have been kiled in 25 days. Thats 40 civilians a day.
/Nuff said.
Severian
Senior member
Actually, it's quite easy to distinguish. The Nazis bombed, invaded, and then occupied whole countries in order to extend German dominance over Europe. Israel didn't attack Hezbollah until two of its soldiers were kidnapped from Israeli territory, then spirited across the border, likely to Syria or Iran.
It's radical Islamofascism, which Pakistan positively bathes in, which is nearly identical to Nazi fascism. Take a closer look at your own country's behavior, and answer for your own country's crimes against the entire world, i.e., black market nuclear proliferation, before you castigate the Israelis for responding to Muslim aggression.
kage69
Lifer
I think you're getting your movements a little mixed up. The Ba'ath movement is the one which drew heavily on the Nazi rise to power in the 30s and 40s. The Ba'athist movement is secular, i.e. not a political drive guided by religion - but it certainly has fascism covered! Nazis actually started creating their own religion, whereas the various militant Islamic flavors popular in places like Pakistan use a simplified version of an already established religion as an excuse to do what they do.
There are no Ba'athists in Pakistan to my knowledge, they have always been located in Iraq and Syria, with sympathic support in Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon.
LegendKiller
Lifer
I heard somewhere that he's related to Baghdad Bob!
Sorry to start the answer to your question with a question, but which group started the current hostilities?
In case you forgot, under the peace agreement between Lebanon and Israel, Lebanon was required to disarm Hezbollah and keep them out of southern Lebanon. Lebanon conveniently forgot about that, and Hezbollah conveniently ignored it and continued to launch rocket attacks on Israel.
As inconvenient as the truth may be to your beliefs, Israel's initial demand was for the return of their citizens, and Hezbollah's response was to launch more rockets and spew more hatred in their declarations.
When you're dealing with a pack of mad dogs, the only "disproportional" force is not using enough to kill the dogs. The cost of overkill is nothing compared to "underkilling" the enemy whose sole announced intent and purpose is to kill you.
As a side note, as much as I disagree with Bush's war on Iraq, it would have been over long ago had he followed the advice of those like Gen. Eric Shinsecki who told him he would need at least 300,000 troops to do the job.
In a life and death struggle, underkill is NOT a viable option. From a public relations standpoint, I think Israel's biggest mistake was not putting more troops on the ground in Lebanon, sooner, and going after Hezbollah, directly.
Oh gosh, oh golly. Another inconvenient truth. What do you call the Israelis who have been the targets of Hezbollah's contiuous Katyusha rocket attacks since the day Israel withdrew from Lebanon under the agreement signed by both governments.
Sure. As long as you're willing to do the same to Hezbollah, and nations like Iran who still rant in favor of destroying Israel. Until then, it's not going to happen.
And before you attack me as pro-Israel, I'm not. I'm just reminding you that your post is a one sided rant that conveniently ignores the reality of the entire picture.
Personally, I think the world will be much better off when it figures out that religion is a piss poor excuse for anything, especially attacking those who don't happen to agree with whatever your choice of faiths happens to be.
marvdmartian
Diamond Member
Do you know that for a fact? Are you aware that the Hezbollah fighters are dressing in civilian attire to more easily fade into the general populace? That same civilian populace that is taking the brunt of punishment, because the Hezbollah fighters aren't willing to stand up and fight, but instead take the cowardly way of hiding behind the skirts of the very civilians they might claim they're fighting for?
Israel is shooting at rocket launchers that are being hidden in civilian areas, close to civilain domiciles. The rocket launchers are highly mobile, and easily moved to other civilian areas. Hezbollah knows that by hiding the rocket launchers in such areas, they're more likely to gain the support of the bleeding hearts like yourself, who are horrified by the civilian casualties. However, since the Hezbollah fighters are dressed just like civilians, doesn't it make sense that some of those "innocent" civilians might in fact be the very Hezbollah fighters that have been firing rockets?? Might that not be part of the reason why it seems there's been low Hezbollah casualties, and high civilian casualties??? 😕
Now let's look at the Hezbollah fighters. They indiscriminately fire their rockets at Israeli cities, targeting SOLELY the civilian populace. I have yet to hear of them firing any rockets at Israeli military positions. Why? Because they realize, I suppose, that if they conduct their terroristic rocket attacks on strictly civilian Israeli positions, they're more likely to cause the Israeli populace to turn against supporting the fighting, and force an early withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon. Oh yeah, and towns & cities don't move, so their horribly guided missiles are more likely to hit the civilian populace than a more mobile military position.
While I applaud you for your concern over the civilian populace of Lebanon, I think you're living in a dream world, by thinking that disarming the Israelis is going to bring peace to the middle east. Instead, it would simply bring the 2nd holocaust of the Jews in less than one century. Of course, if you think for even one second that the Israelis would allow themselves to be disarmed, you're living in more of a dream world than I imagine anyone here would have guessed! :roll:
There is no answer because that is the dumbest suggestion ever. It's better if Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and any other countries in the region arm themselves more aggressively with the best that China and Russia have to offer. If those countries can come within a stone's throw of military equality with Israel, it will be a much greater deterrent from future conflicts.
Buck Armstrong
Platinum Member
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