Another day, another massacre

[rudder]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

How come more Lebanese civilians have died if only Hezbollah is targetting civilians?

More Israeli soldiers have been killed that civilians. However, more Lebanese people have been killed than Hezbollah fighters.

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Fortunately for Israel, the rockets hezbollah are firing only go in the general direction they want. You cannot pinpoint a building with those things. If they were at all accurate, you would see hundreds more civilan casualties on the Israeli side.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Doboji
What do you think realistically would happen if you disarmed Israel? Really?

It's funny how none of these anti-Israeli folk can seem to answer this question.

There is no answer because that is the dumbest suggestion ever. It's better if Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and any other countries in the region arm themselves more aggressively with the best that China and Russia have to offer. If those countries can come within a stone's throw of military equality with Israel, it will be a much greater deterrent from future conflicts.

Hahahahaha....

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Doboji
What do you think realistically would happen if you disarmed Israel? Really?

It's funny how none of these anti-Israeli folk can seem to answer this question.

There is no answer because that is the dumbest suggestion ever. It's better if Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and any other countries in the region arm themselves more aggressively with the best that China and Russia have to offer. If those countries can come within a stone's throw of military equality with Israel, it will be a much greater deterrent from future conflicts.

Hahahahaha....

Scary somebody thinks that is the answer isnt it?

Reason for lack of total war in the region has been the Arabs reliance on outdated Soviet equipment and lack of funding to fight these wars. If the Arabs got equal footing on a technological side they may get brave again and try to engage Israel in an open war.

 

[Aisengard]

How about changing the title to "Another day, another gross exaggeration"

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Doboji
What do you think realistically would happen if you disarmed Israel? Really?

It's funny how none of these anti-Israeli folk can seem to answer this question.

There is no answer because that is the dumbest suggestion ever. It's better if Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and any other countries in the region arm themselves more aggressively with the best that China and Russia have to offer. If those countries can come within a stone's throw of military equality with Israel, it will be a much greater deterrent from future conflicts.

Hahahahaha....

Scary somebody thinks that is the answer isnt it?

Reason for lack of total war in the region has been the Arabs reliance on outdated Soviet equipment and lack of funding to fight these wars. If the Arabs got equal footing on a technological side they may get brave again and try to engage Israel in an open war.

the things is the arabs along time ago could have courted the US. But no they accepted aid from the "superpower" that offered it forst.
had the Soviet Union stayed out of this whole thing the US might have also stayed out of this whole affair.
Interesting ?huh

 

[jackschmittusa]

I think it is a joke that people can rail against Isreali tactics an totally dismiss the fact that we have been bombing civilian neighborhoods in Iraq for 3 years. Of course, we don't call all of those dead people "civilians"; they are just "collateral damage".

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I think it is a joke that people can rail against Isreali tactics an totally dismiss the fact that we have been bombing civilian neighborhoods in Iraq for 3 years. Of course, we don't call all of those dead people "civilians"; they are just "collateral damage".

I believe it?s safe to say those who stand against Israel today are also against the US over Iraq. They just don?t intend to change the subject.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I believe it?s safe to say those who stand against Israel today are also against the US over Iraq. They just don?t intend to change the subject.

I believe that it's safe to say that's an unsound assumption. I believe Israel is right to defend itself, including the use of overwhelming force against Hezbollah, who was the aggressor and instigator of the current conflict, there. I think Israel has made some bad choices in some of their methods and targets that have resulted in more civilian casualties and the resulting loss of support in the rest of the world than would have happened if they had chosen more wisely.

I also have believed from the start that the Bushwhacko's war into Iraq was a horrendous blunder based on lies and ego with no basis in reality. The world stood with us when we went into Afghanistan after Al Qaeda and the Taliban because everyone knew they were the aggressors. And, as with Israel's poor choices of tactics, Bush's war of lies in Iraq has cost the U.S. it's credibility in the world community. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

What's worse is, even if Bush happens to be right in supporting Israel, now, nobody believes him, even if he accidentally happens to be right in any given case.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Jaskalas

I believe it?s safe to say those who stand against Israel today are also against the US over Iraq. They just don?t intend to change the subject.

I was refering to the people on this forum. All of these defintions of terrorism, inapropriate response, etc.. These same people should be outraged at what we have done. At least Isreal has a legimate claim of self-defense. The U.S. has no such mitigating circumstances. I wonder if those who think disarming Isreal is a solution think that the U.S. should be disarmed since we are at least an order of magnitude worse than anything they accuse the Isrealis of doing.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Severian

Hard to distinguish between the nazis and Israelis.

Actually, it's quite easy to distinguish. The Nazis bombed, invaded, and then occupied whole countries in order to extend German dominance over Europe. Israel didn't attack Hezbollah until two of its soldiers were kidnapped from Israeli territory, then spirited across the border, likely to Syria or Iran.

It's radical Islamofascism, which Pakistan positively bathes in, which is nearly identical to Nazi fascism. Take a closer look at your own country's behavior, and answer for your own country's crimes against the entire world, i.e., black market nuclear proliferation, before you castigate the Israelis for responding to Muslim aggression.

Not to mention 1000 != 12,000,000

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Ahh I'm tired of these back and forth arguments over who is right and who is wrong.


1. Hizballah has been targeting Israeli civilians for years and years
2. Israel decides for once to defend itself rather then give in from the pressure of the US and the UN
3. As usual the same people are condeming Israel no matter what they decide to do, it's becoming more evident to them that no matter what they do they will be blamed and whatnot

Hizballah are modern day nazis (I've said this before and will say it again), they even use similar tactics as the nazi party did back 50 some years ago.

I believe WW3 will be arabs vs. rest of the world (you might not see it now, but when it happens - I called it)

Do people not understand that Hizballah are hiding behind civilans? and consider that Israel always warns civilans that thier building will be bombed (imagine if the tables were turned, arabs would have sloughtered every Israeli by now)

This situation is rediculous - yes
What's insane - how people can say Israel is being wrong for going after some very very bad people (who not to mention have been attacking them ever since.. well.. ever)

 

[Dragoon42]

is the OP for real? "this is terrorism but let's disarm isreal". You can't be serious right? This is a parody thread?

 

[Lemon law]

To Speedzealot 369,

Lets face it---both hezbollah and the current State of Israel are racing each other for who most resembles the Nazi party---and the current box score is Israel 10 Hezzbollah 1.

Lets not white wash anything---cheer up---both sides are wrong.

 

[Doboji]

From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

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[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Doboji
From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

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And really, who cares about the 800 OTHER people that have died...

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Speedzealot 369,

Lets face it---both hezbollah and the current State of Israel are racing each other for who most resembles the Nazi party---and the current box score is Israel 10 Hezzbollah 1.

Lets not white wash anything---cheer up---both sides are wrong.

Oh for godsakes... anyone who compares the current conflict with Nazi germany is just idiotic on a catastrophic scale... perhaps you need a little... levity...

"By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1 And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths. "

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So can we stop the Nazi comparisons yet? It's not in the same ballpark... hell it's not even the same sport...

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji
From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

Text

And really, who cares about the 800 OTHER people that have died...

Ahhh you're right... by all means... make up the news.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji
From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

Text

And really, who cares about the 800 OTHER people that have died...

Ahhh you're right... by all means... make up the news.

Uh, it was in the first paragraph of that news story you linked to, chief.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji
From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

Text

And really, who cares about the 800 OTHER people that have died...

Ahhh you're right... by all means... make up the news.

Uh, it was in the first paragraph of that news story you linked to, chief.

My point is... just because lots of people have died, doesnt give you the right to report willy nilly crap news. It's done deliberately to inflate what's happening.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji
From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

Text

And really, who cares about the 800 OTHER people that have died...

Ahhh you're right... by all means... make up the news.

Uh, it was in the first paragraph of that news story you linked to, chief.

My point is... just because lots of people have died, doesnt give you the right to report willy nilly crap news. It's done deliberately to inflate what's happening.

I realize that (although I don't think the deliberate part was done by a western news agency). But in an article that started with the fact that 800 people have died so far in the conflict, the only fact that seemed to interest you was the one that made Israel look better and suggested that it's all a bunch of anti-Israeli propaganda. If you're wondering why I'm focusing on all the dead Lebanese, it's because people like you seem so ready to brush it off. 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers is a tragedy, a few hundred dead Lebanese is just how the world works. And you wonder why some of us have such a hard time supporting your world view.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji
From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

Text

And really, who cares about the 800 OTHER people that have died...

Ahhh you're right... by all means... make up the news.

Uh, it was in the first paragraph of that news story you linked to, chief.

My point is... just because lots of people have died, doesnt give you the right to report willy nilly crap news. It's done deliberately to inflate what's happening.

I realize that (although I don't think the deliberate part was done by a western news agency). But in an article that started with the fact that 800 people have died so far in the conflict, the only fact that seemed to interest you was the one that made Israel look better and suggested that it's all a bunch of anti-Israeli propaganda. If you're wondering why I'm focusing on all the dead Lebanese, it's because people like you seem so ready to brush it off. 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers is a tragedy, a few hundred dead Lebanese is just how the world works. And you wonder why some of us have such a hard time supporting your world view.

I wasn't reading the article looking specifically for that fact... but I was certainly taken aback by it, considering when I heard about the 40 people dying, I was actually upset about it... and questioned yet again whether I felt winning this was worth it. And here I find out that it was a lie.

You act as though I'm happy to hear about 800 dead lebanese... But as I've explained before I am willing to kill some people in order to prevent the deaths of other people who I feel closer to. And I believe that is the choice Israel is making. And what I can't understand is how you have such a problem with it. What kind of government would choose the lives of the people of another country over the lives of it's own people.

I just can't imagine a nation that would.

-Max

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Doboji
From CNN:

"Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported."

Propaganda much?

Text

And really, who cares about the 800 OTHER people that have died...

Ahhh you're right... by all means... make up the news.

Uh, it was in the first paragraph of that news story you linked to, chief.

My point is... just because lots of people have died, doesnt give you the right to report willy nilly crap news. It's done deliberately to inflate what's happening.

I realize that (although I don't think the deliberate part was done by a western news agency). But in an article that started with the fact that 800 people have died so far in the conflict, the only fact that seemed to interest you was the one that made Israel look better and suggested that it's all a bunch of anti-Israeli propaganda. If you're wondering why I'm focusing on all the dead Lebanese, it's because people like you seem so ready to brush it off. 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers is a tragedy, a few hundred dead Lebanese is just how the world works. And you wonder why some of us have such a hard time supporting your world view.

So let me guess your defender of the truth?
the only fact that seemed to interest you was the one that made Israel look better and suggested that it's all a bunch of anti-Israeli propaganda
in comparison you would be suprised how many people actually have a real clue what the truth is, not many thats for sure.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Speedzealot 369,

Lets face it---both hezbollah and the current State of Israel are racing each other for who most resembles the Nazi party---and the current box score is Israel 10 Hezzbollah 1.

Lets not white wash anything---cheer up---both sides are wrong.

A history lesson is due for--
The nazi`s used human shirlds during ww2.
The nazi`s did not care about the population of any cities or its occupants during ww2 that were not german.
The Nazi`s in the early days of there existence were know to plant evidence and stage shooting as well as propoganda to incite the german people and back the nazi cause.

Who does this best fit? Obviously NOt Israel.
Since it`s not Israel it can only Hezbollah!

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I believe it?s safe to say those who stand against Israel today are also against the US over Iraq. They just don?t intend to change the subject.

I believe that it's safe to say that's an unsound assumption. I believe Israel is right to defend itself, including the use of overwhelming force against Hezbollah, who was the aggressor and instigator of the current conflict, there. I think Israel has made some bad choices in some of their methods and targets that have resulted in more civilian casualties and the resulting loss of support in the rest of the world than would have happened if they had chosen more wisely.

I also have believed from the start that the Bushwhacko's war into Iraq was a horrendous blunder based on lies and ego with no basis in reality. The world stood with us when we went into Afghanistan after Al Qaeda and the Taliban because everyone knew they were the aggressors. And, as with Israel's poor choices of tactics, Bush's war of lies in Iraq has cost the U.S. it's credibility in the world community. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

What's worse is, even if Bush happens to be right in supporting Israel, now, nobody believes him, even if he accidentally happens to be right in any given case.

The world dismisses GWB`s rhetoric. Israel will not back down. As has ben proven by Rice`s look of puzzlement and disbelief after a meeting with Olmert!
I hope Olmert read her the riot act. shame on her for even approaching israel to cease and desist.
:thumbsup:to Olmert!!

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
is the OP for real? "this is terrorism but let's disarm isreal". You can't be serious right? This is a parody thread?

Israel is the greater terrorist and must be disarmed immidiately to avoid future massacres.