Android Captures 80% Of Smartphone Market In Q2

[cheezy321]

There are hundreds of studies to "prove" a blatant opinion? That would be a first.

Android outsells iOS is every country, not just poor countries.

Yes, what I am saying is these numbers mean absolutely nothing.

When it comes to the business world, iOS wins.
When it comes to ad impressions, iOS wins.
When it comes to app revenue, iOS wins
When it comes to demographics, iOS wins.

 

[cliftonite]

When it comes to actual usage of the phone, Apple blows android out of the water. There are hundreds of studies to prove this.

So yes, android is selling a lot of phones. Are people actually using these smartphones? Most statistics say not nearly as much as the competition. Android is dominating the low end market in sales. Android is dominating sales in poor countries. Just people replacing their dumbphone and not using it for any real smartphone features.

And somehow that allows you to make the correlation that those people live in their mothers basement?

 

[cliftonite]

Yes, what I am saying is these numbers mean absolutely nothing.

When it comes to the business world, iOS wins.
When it comes to ad impressions, iOS wins.
When it comes to app revenue, iOS wins
When it comes to demographics, iOS wins.

App revenue has gone from a 4X advantage to 2. something. The gap has been closing.

Looks like android is winning the ad impressions:
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-powers-most-mobile-ads-2013-6

 

[openwheel]

ouch cheezy

 

[cheezy321]

And somehow that allows you to make the correlation that those people live in their mothers basement?

http://readwrite.com/2012/10/08/sor...your-mothers-smartphone#awesm=~oe35c9Pl7Daxvc

Compared to iOS users, android users are almost 3x as likely to make less than 25K / year. I would assume a lot of those folks are still living at home in their parents basement.

Usage statistics also show that they less likely to spend money on apps and even on e-commerce sites. Fits in line with the basement dwelling folks that are mooching off their family.

 

[cliftonite]

http://readwrite.com/2012/10/08/sor...your-mothers-smartphone#awesm=~oe35c9Pl7Daxvc

Compared to iOS users, android users are almost 3x as likely to make less than 25K / year. I would assume a lot of those folks are still living at home in their parents basement.

Usage statistics also show that they less likely to spend money on apps and even on e-commerce sites. Fits in line with the basement dwelling folks that are mooching off their family.

It is 8.1 vs 17.2 that is closer to 2x vs 3x. And 53% of Android users are more than 35 years old. I doubt the % of people living in their parents basement is much higher. Amazing how smug Apple fans are.

 

[openwheel]

I can't believe cheezy is seriously trying to make such argument. The intention of such argument along invalidates his argument. Sorry.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

When it comes to actual usage of the phone, Apple blows android out of the water. There are hundreds of studies to prove this.

So yes, android is selling a lot of phones. Are people actually using these smartphones? Most statistics say not nearly as much as the competition. Android is dominating the low end market in sales. Android is dominating sales in poor countries. Just people replacing their dumbphone and not using it for any real smartphone features.

I think Cheezy may be presenting it in a controversial manner, but I don't doubt that it's true that a lot of Android users do just pick an Android phone because there aren't many other choices. iPhone tends to be a premium option because of the whole status symbol that Apple created. If you're not getting a "5" then there's really no point.

With that said due to the large marketshare that Android has, there's enough people "using" their Android phones that it should be a decently large force in the market. However, I'd argue that for a good number of iPhone users, they're actively using their cell phones and not just letting it sit there to replace a dumbphone.

 

[openwheel]

Wrong, Apple and others all have low to high end phone. People don't shy way from Apple because of it's a "premium" option. In fact, people gravitate towards Apple because it's perceived as the "premium brand".

People are flocking over to Android because other manufacturers are making great products. Period.

There are 3 things Parisians must have to be cool: iPhone, designer jeans, and cheap sushi. Not joking here, that's really the culture.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Most of the cheap free phones with plan uses Android.

 

[cheezy321]

Wrong, Apple and others all have low to high end phone. People don't shy way from Apple because of it's a "premium" option. In fact, people gravitate towards Apple because it's perceived as the "premium brand".

People are flocking over to Android because other manufacturers are making great products. Period.

There are 3 things Parisians must have to be cool: iPhone, designer jeans, and cheap sushi. Not joking here, that's really the culture.

Nobody said other manufacturers arent making great products. Samsung is doing great with the GS4, so is HTC with the HTC one.

Apple does not compete in the low end market. You can't argue otherwise. They will eventually and possibly as soon as this next quarter. To further my point, lets look at the two biggest carriers in the US.

VZW Q2:
http://www.imore.com/verizon-sells-75-million-smartphones-q2-38-million-them-were-iphone
Roughly 1/2 of VZW's smartphone sales were iPhones.

AT&T info:
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/att-q2-sales-where-are-the-iphone-numbers

AT&T is where it gets harder. They say they sold more iPhones in Q2 2013 than they did in Q2 2012. They sold 3.7 MM in Q2 2012. So that means its > 3.7 MM and their total smartphone sales were 6.8 MM. Lets round down and say 1/2.

I found a couple snippets about sprint and it looks like about 30% of their smartphone sales are iPhones.

So basically the two largest service providers in the US are selling iPhones at a margin of 1:1 with ALL android smartphones.

All of these numbers do not line up with the IDC numbers. I dont doubt android is selling like hotcakes. I have no doubt they are producing close to 80% of the smartphones out there. But where and who are they selling them to? They are selling them mainly to people outside of the US and in the low end market. To argue otherwise you would have to find proof that Samsung, Motorola and HTC combined are selling their top tier devices at 7 - 8x Apple's sales. That is not happening. If it is, then point me to those numbers.

Android dominates the low end market. It's probably winning in the high end market too. But it is not winning in the high end market at a rate of 8:1.

 

[jpiniero]

Apple does not compete in the low end market. You can't argue otherwise. They will eventually and possibly as soon as this next quarter.

The 5C is midrange really ($450).

The smartphone market will look a lot different once the US carriers end/slash the subsidies. Apple isn't going to get away with selling $650 phones, even $450 is going to be too much. That's when the sales will start to drop off.

 

[openwheel]

Apple is in the low end as well with iPhone 4 and 4s. Soon the 5C as well. Same as the 3G and 3GS a while ago. Android simply offers better choices at the low end. Again proves cheesy and delerium see wrong.

When a phone is free on contract, how much low end does it get?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Apple is in the low end as well with iPhone 4 and 4s. Soon the 5C as well. Same as the 3G and 3GS a while ago. Android simply offers better choices at the low end. Again proves cheesy and delerium see wrong.

When a phone is free on contract, how much low end does it get?

How are you proving me wrong? Why are you just trying to ruffle feathers by calling users out?

I don't deny Apple is in the low end as well. Android offers more choices in the low end and high end obviously because there's more models overall. I don't get why you keep attacking me like I hate Android or something. I have more than a few Android phones and if I were to choose a low end phone I'd also pick an Android phone.

But my point was that Apple is perceived as a premium brand. Therefore there's a whole "I need an iPhone 5 or bust" mentality. Many people who are avid Apple fans will not settle for a 4 or a 4S. That same mentality can apply for Android phones too with Samsung building quite a reputation, and people won't settle for a GS3 for example. Howeve, I recognize that you're trying to paint Android users as not the same rabid userbase that will line up for 3 days outside a store, so there's less of this whole "omg I HAVE to get XYZ phone." Therefore, what I'm saying is there are a lot of Android users who have an Android phone because they simply wanted to replace their dumbphone with another phone.

It's not so much that they did a heads up comparison of iPhone 4 versus low end Android phone and concluded the Android phone is better. They probably just didn't care. For many average users you tell them to get an iPhone, and they'll think "Nah I don't want to spend $200." "What about a 4S?" "That's old." These same users looking for a dumbphone replacement don't know what a Galaxy Ace is or what a HTC One Mini is or how shitty these phones are. Therefore even if they are shittier than an iPhone 4S, they won't care. They'll get it. iPhone 4 or 4S just communicates old and budget and doesn't go well with the Apple new premium shiny perception.

I'm just purely talking about consumer behavior and not trying to make this about Apple versus Android but of course you have to run around displaying your bias.

And to your last point, I've expressed my frustration with carrier subsidies. It doesn't allow for dynamic range in pricing. With GS4's going on sale for $99 or whatever, how can you compete with that? It's either going $49 or free, but even then that's a $99 savings only tops. But this really has nothing to do with Android or Apple. It's just the mess of the US system. Low end phones can't really compete at all because they all just have to go free.

 

[openwheel]

Wow! I see how important your e-ego is to you. Do you really expect anyone to read all that nonesense? Bye.

 

[BladeVenom]

nt

 

[Joe1987]

I can't believe cheezy is seriously trying to make such argument. The intention of such argument along invalidates his argument. Sorry.

Here's the thing, if you look at the stats and demographics, he's right.

I do have no doubt that if you only survey the flagship Android phone owners, that they'd be equal or closer, but if someone wants to claim 80% market share, they need to take the lumps that go with it, and the lower end phones that give it the 80%. Apple's lower end phones (free on contract) seem to go to kids of parents that are well heeled.

 

[jpeyton]

It's 80% in Q2 2013.

Anybody predicting 90% in Q2 2014?

The trend line is pretty solid at this point.

 

[jpiniero]

It's 80% in Q2 2013.

Anybody predicting 90% in Q2 2014?

The trend line is pretty solid at this point.

Might be tough with WinMo gaining share too. I could see Apple falling behind WinMo in the not too distant future if they don't sell a cheap phone soon.

 

[Commodus]

Might be tough with WinMo gaining share too. I could see Apple falling behind WinMo in the not too distant future if they don't sell a cheap phone soon.

Not expecting that kind of shift, myself.

The problem is that Microsoft still needs to crack the nut, so to speak. It hasn't found that thing that will give large volumes of customers a reason to choose a Windows Phone over an Android or iOS device. Right now, WP8's core audiences are those loyal to either Microsoft (i.e. people stuck in 2005) or to Nokia. Android can often go cheaper, and it can definitely go premium outside of the Lumia 1020's camera.

I also don't think Apple is in the same situation it was in circa the mid-1990s. iOS isn't a creaky OS; it gets lots of good apps and does certain things very well. Apple is also more nimble and focused. And I'll admit -- I simply don't want to see the market descend into the dark night of a monopoly, especially when Google is so pervasive elsewhere. We need real variety.

 

[TuxDave]

It's 80% in Q2 2013.

Anybody predicting 90% in Q2 2014?

The trend line is pretty solid at this point.

Looking forward to 110% in Q2 2016!

http://xkcd.com/605/

 

[Tom]

Wrong, Apple and others all have low to high end phone. People don't shy way from Apple because of it's a "premium" option. In fact, people gravitate towards Apple because it's perceived as the "premium brand".

People are flocking over to Android because other manufacturers are making great products. Period.

There are 3 things Parisians must have to be cool: iPhone, designer jeans, and cheap sushi. Not joking here, that's really the culture.

It isn't really true that Apple competes with Android at all price ranges. I don't know the numbers but I would bet a big percentage of Android sales worldwide are phones that sell for $200 or less, unsubsidized. I don't think Apple is a player in that arena.

Last I heard on the news, Apple sold more iphone 5's last quarter than ever.

 

[Tom]

Might be tough with WinMo gaining share too. I could see Apple falling behind WinMo in the not too distant future if they don't sell a cheap phone soon.

Does BMW need to come out with a cheap car because Kia's gaining market share ?

 

[pantsaregood]

Just want to point out that the current low end Apple device (iPhone 4) generally sells at around $350 new off-contract.

The Optimus L9 sells at around $180 off-contract.
The Lumia 520 sells at around $100 off-contract.

Sorry, but the iPhone 4 can't compete with either of those. In the next year, Android will probably start to level off, Apple will decline slightly, and Microsoft will make its way towards 10% marketshare globally. As things are currently progressing, I'd expect one of the following scenarios by 2015.

If Apple doesn't increase their appeal to emerging markets, this is what I expect:
Google with 70% of the market.
Apple with 10% of the market.
Microsoft with 15% of the market.
Others with 5% of the market.

If Apple does release a competitive device at the low-end, this is what I expect:
Google with 70% of the market.
Apple with 15% of the market.
Microsoft with 10% of the market.
Others with 5% of the market.

Apple can't expect to push a $450 iPhone 5C into emerging markets. That's significantly more expensive than "high-end" devices like the Nexus 4.

 

[88keys]

It isn't really true that Apple competes with Android at all price ranges. I don't know the numbers but I would bet a big percentage of Android sales worldwide are phones that sell for $200 or less, unsubsidized. I don't think Apple is a player in that arena.

Last I heard on the news, Apple sold more iphone 5's last quarter than ever.

Does BMW need to come out with a cheap car because Kia's gaining market share ?

Not because Kia is gaining market share. But because virtually everyone else is. Apple may be able to hold on to a sect of the market using their current business strategy by selling "premium phones", but they will not continue to dominate the market for much of the same reasons that BMW does not dominate and will most likely never dominate the auto market today.