Andrew Yang , is he the wrong color?

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Why do you think Yang ain't doing better?

Another thing is that Andrew Yang is as far as I know the one candidate who is running for office for the very first time.
He has identified and made a mainstay of his campaign an issue that all the other candidates would not have even mentioned had he not done so.

Considering the above I think he is doing rather well. Thankfully far better than (s)Kamala the not really progressive prosecutor....



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OP is here to make an accusation, not ask a question. As such, I see no point in continuing to offer him good faith answers. He wouldn't vote for Yang anyway if Yang won the primary. He'll vote for Trump. And so will the rest of his conservative buddies that he claims like Yang.
 
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If Andrew Yang got Sanders for VP somehow. The campaign could potentially have the same energy as Obama/Biden for 2008/2012.

Young President + Old Vice-President in this age for democrats is the only winning gambit. They don't have a BC/AG group that would work. Imho, only AY/BS that runs like BO/JB can work. Republicans might win if they run against Trump, if there is just Biden. Beating Biden with a Republican "moderate" should be easy.
 
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Sometimes when people are joking, as you appear to be, they are actually telling the truth. Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of slavery.
Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of the KKK, originally.

Funny how things change in 50 years, huh? Democrats elected the first black President in our history, something that apparently drove some white conservatives right out of their feeble fucking minds. How else do we explain the fact that Stephen Miller is still in the White House?
 
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So, please show me the mass migration of all the Southern Democrats out of the South.....you know, the ones who put in force Jim Crow laws, et al, and the influx of all those "progressive" type Republicans. Because the South really votes heavily Repub and has done so since 1964, so when did those millions of white, conservative Southerners move out? Surely there is documentation that shows the mass migration out of the South of those racist Democrats and the mass influx of those Republicans that replaced them.....since only the Democrats are racist, right?

In the mean time, in reality, those old racist Dems switched parties in the early to mid-1960's and started voting Republican.....about the time the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act were put into law and Republican leaders started denouncing both a la Goldwater, et al.

But keep up the good fight and ignore reality.....seems to be your niche in life.

Nice try, but he doesn’t care about facts. Some people just like to wallow in swampy ignorance.
 
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Another thing is that Andrew Yang is as far as I know the one candidate who is running for office for the very first time.

- I would agree with this. Its not enough to simply have good ideas, a candidate needs to understand how to manage and understand how the whole American corporation works in order to leverage the system to make their ideas a reality.

For a long time the path to the Presidency was through a Governorship: you already have proven executive experience and insight into how the system works. Otherwise you end up with people like Donald Trump: all the ideas in the world without the competence to make them reality. Senators and Representatives are other traditional positions that get you into the Presidency (although they lack executive experience).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_previous_experience

From the Link: 1 president never served any major elective or appointive offices, or periods of military service prior to election to the presidency, Donald Trump.

Andrew Yang is a good idea guy, and might do well to follow a Cabinet/HOR->Senate->Presidency trajectory so he can build up a base of knowledge for how the system works prior to trying to get his ideas through.
 

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- I would agree with this. Its not enough to simply have good ideas, a candidate needs to understand how to manage and understand how the whole American corporation works in order to leverage the system to make their ideas a reality.

For a long time the path to the Presidency was through a Governorship: you already have proven executive experience and insight into how the system works. Otherwise you end up with people like Donald Trump: all the ideas in the world without the competence to make them reality. Senators and Representatives are other traditional positions that get you into the Presidency (although they lack executive experience).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_previous_experience

From the Link: 1 president never served any major elective or appointive offices, or periods of military service prior to election to the presidency, Donald Trump.

Andrew Yang is a good idea guy, and might do well to follow a Cabinet/HOR->Senate->Presidency trajectory so he can build up a base of knowledge for how the system works prior to trying to get his ideas through.

That's something I didn't know. Trump really is an outlier. Even the generals weren't just generals, they were the top generals in some of the biggest US military victories. But, set against that, Trump is probably the only one who got offered a gold toilet.
 

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Found this on my car today:
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Reasons why I don't like Yang:
1. He's mandating for UBI, which I believe doesn't have any chance of coming to pass within the next 10 years. It's a very divisive policy that doesn't even have strong Democrat support currently. Regardless of whether you think it's a good idea, Republicans will tie it around his neck like an albatross and and we'll have four more years of Trump.
2. I don't like the direct approach to handouts from any candidate. It's too close to buying votes. Yes, in the future we'll have massive job loss from automation. But that's not the state of the economy now. We should be using our taxes to fix current problems and help the vulnerable, not tearing down the current system. And the US government shouldn't be creating more handouts while so massively in debt.

Reasons why he's not garnering more public support:
1. He's a political outsider with little experience, and hasn't had standout moments in the debates in my opinion. He doesn't have the ability to center attention around him like Trump did, and there's little reason to focus on him in general. He seems to have one focused idea he keeps coming back to, kind of like Bernie but without Bernie's experience.
2. His policies really don't appeal to the voters in the first couple primary states, so I would expect him to lose some momentum until through them. If he survives, he may start gaining momentum again.
 
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Sometimes when people are joking, as you appear to be, they are actually telling the truth. Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of slavery.
Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of the KKK, originally.
I mean, if you want to dig up irrelevant past, you could do as this woman did

 

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So far I like Tulsi the most, but thanks for the heads up. I will look up Andrew Yang and see what hes all about. I don't know much about him.
 
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He's not doing better because his one big idea isn't that appealing.

If it were just being "rigged by the media" then Kamala would still be in the race.

Yang's problem is that he's running only on a promise of gimmicky welfare and free money, which he hasn't been able to explain very well when given the chance.

He spends his time describing a future distopian hellscape where there robots have taken all the jobs, everyone is out of work, but he'll save us by raiding the treasury to hand out...$12,000 a year..?

WTF am i going to with $12k if there is no work. Live just above homelessness?
 
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Out of all the Democrats, I think he's by far the smartest. He is the only candidate on the left who has fresh ideas that even Republicans I know support. Yet there is very little coverage and media interest on this guy. He does check the minority box that liberals rave about but is he just the wrong minority? Maybe Im wrong, I dont know. Why do you think Yang ain't doing better?
Since he was the only non-white person on the stage don't think it's wrong color thing
 

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So, please show me the mass migration of all the Southern Democrats out of the South.....you know, the ones who put in force Jim Crow laws, et al, and the influx of all those "progressive" type Republicans. Because the South really votes heavily Repub and has done so since 1964, so when did those millions of white, conservative Southerners move out? Surely there is documentation that shows the mass migration out of the South of those racist Democrats and the mass influx of those Republicans that replaced them.....since only the Democrats are racist, right?

In the mean time, in reality, those old racist Dems switched parties in the early to mid-1960's and started voting Republican.....about the time the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act were put into law and Republican leaders started denouncing both a la Goldwater, et al.

But keep up the good fight and ignore reality.....seems to be your niche in life.

1964? mid-1960s? You are just making up stuff.

The whole migration of white Southern politicians and voters to the GOP was a result of Nixon's politically brilliant Southern Strategy started during the 1968 and becoming big time in the 1972 election. Ask your parents or someone else who was around then-many, many times a white Southern politician switched from being a Democrat to a Republican and remained in office.
 

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Personally I never paid much attention to him. If there is one thing I've learned over the years is that the President is a very tough job and sending in an amateur and/or inexperienced person never ever works out good. As Trump has proven it's very easy to talk a good game.
And if you are not approved by the liberal media, it will be one long chicken little scream fest.
 

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Stop spreading falsehoods. This is a false narrative and you know it. That means you are posting disingenuous shit on an internet forum, even though you know better. Say and do what is required to get elected, or help your people get elected. The race card is always one of the left's tools.

So when Stephen Miller is a confirmed white supremacist, and Trump not only doesn't fire him but bases a large part of his anti-immigrant strategy around him, that's not evidence of racism in Republican leadership? Rank-and-file Republicans are certainly willing to tolerate having a known racist influencing immigration policy.

Then there's Iowa Rep. Steve King, who has made numerous explicitly racist remarks over the years and even had a Confederate flag on his desk... but the GOP's most severe action against him was to reluctantly remove him from a committee, instead of of demanding his resignation as all good people would do.

Let's not forget the Republicans who deliberately disenfranchise black voters through gerrymandering, enacting arbitrary voter ID laws and closing voting locations. Or the Republicans who bend over backward to defend decades-old statues of Confederates placed by racist groups.

Ever notice how racists in the modern era, when asked to pick a party, always pick the Republicans? David Duke, Richard Spencer and the Proud Boys love Trump and the modern GOP. And how the Republican candidates in Democrat strongholds (where the party doesn't care about who it picks) are often racist cranks?

I said what I did because there is a mountain of empirical evidence supporting my view. You? You have nothing but lies and bullshit.
 

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Stop spreading falsehoods. This is a false narrative and you know it. That means you are posting disingenuous shit on an internet forum, even though you know better. Say and do what is required to get elected, or help your people get elected. The race card is always one of the left's tools.
You are projecting again.
 
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There is obviously some media bias where they essentially choose the candidates for us every election cycle.\

Call me conspiracy tin-foil hat all you want - the numbers speak for themselves of how much time they spend covering the ones they want vs. not want - how much debate time they get - and more specifically..... how dumb the questions are that they ask them.

It's also very clear they love the partisan political correctness divide - You can easily tell by questions as dumb as asking about Ellen DeGeneres being at a sports game with GWB as if thats some kind of hot button debate item related to politics.


Really, our media is just a giant cess-pool where they are trying to turn politics into Entertainment tonight / TMZ. YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT BERNIE WILL DO NEXT!
 

Meghan54

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1964? mid-1960s? You are just making up stuff.

The whole migration of white Southern politicians and voters to the GOP was a result of Nixon's politically brilliant Southern Strategy started during the 1968 and becoming big time in the 1972 election. Ask your parents or someone else who was around then-many, many times a white Southern politician switched from being a Democrat to a Republican and remained in office.


I contend the whole Southern Strategy had its genesis in the 1964 general election.

The 1964 general election...Goldwater ran for the GOP with one of his main planks to prevent the Civil Rights Act from becoming law, among other things like how to win the Vietnam war....by nuking N. Vietnam back to the stone age.

Guess neither played very well since Goldwater lost in a landslide. But Goldwater's anti-Civil Rights Act position (Goldwater was for the Civil Rights Act before he was against it, and what changed his mind was the addition of the public accommodation/commerce clauses) did appeal to a certain section of this country......and that section of the country was carried by Goldwater.

That section of the country encompassed these states: Goldwater's home state of AZ, plus these.....SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, and TX. Notice anything strange about that list?

And therein I contend the genesis of the southern strategy was born.....give those southern conservatives someone to hate and you own them.
 

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Andrew Yang, in my opinion, represents a state of psychological, intellectual and cultural evolution so far advance over the average American that he is like a person who has gone up the mountain, though the cloud layer, into the sunlight, and is basically invisible from the ground where most of us live. Only people who are somewhat along on the same path will be able to see anything in him. He is an outlier, an anomaly, so different from what people expect from politicians that they put him in a box marked too cryptic and non-relatable for me. People can't handle the strange and unfamiliar because of their own backwardness.

He is certainly ahead of his time with his main idea. The ruling class is making mountains of money off of automation, and it has to come from somewhere. The middle and lower class. It's just unsustainable from a social stability standpoint. UBI (or something along those lines) will be required at some point to prevent massive social unrest. I'm afraid most people can't see the writing on the wall yet, and so won't be willing to support it.

Automation and climate change are going to be the one-two punch that knocks us out, and he's the only one with plans to handle both. I'm sure the vast majority of people listening to the debate had never heard of thorium reactors before Yang mentioned it.
 

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There is obviously some media bias where they essentially choose the candidates for us every election cycle.\

Call me conspiracy tin-foil hat all you want - the numbers speak for themselves of how much time they spend covering the ones they want vs. not want - how much debate time they get - and more specifically..... how dumb the questions are that they ask them.

It's also very clear they love the partisan political correctness divide - You can easily tell by questions as dumb as asking about Ellen DeGeneres being at a sports game with GWB as if thats some kind of hot button debate item related to politics.


Really, our media is just a giant cess-pool where they are trying to turn politics into Entertainment tonight / TMZ. YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT BERNIE WILL DO NEXT!

I'm not sure how much of this bias is intentional, and not just the product of a cycle where the media focuses on the big names, ensuring those people get the strongest polling, ensuring the media will cover them more...

You have to bend over backwards to get attention if you're not strong out of the gate, and Yang was not strong out of the gate.