Andrew Yang , is he the wrong color?

[positivedoppler]

Since he was the only non-white person on the stage don't think it's wrong color thing

bull, I watch cnn make such a huge stink about no more color when booker, Kamala, and Castro drop out

 

[dainthomas]

There is obviously some media bias where they essentially choose the candidates for us every election cycle.\

Call me conspiracy tin-foil hat all you want - the numbers speak for themselves of how much time they spend covering the ones they want vs. not want - how much debate time they get - and more specifically..... how dumb the questions are that they ask them.

It's also very clear they love the partisan political correctness divide - You can easily tell by questions as dumb as asking about Ellen DeGeneres being at a sports game with GWB as if thats some kind of hot button debate item related to politics.


Really, our media is just a giant cess-pool where they are trying to turn politics into Entertainment tonight / TMZ. YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT BERNIE WILL DO NEXT!

The media obviously loves our game show host president (despite his constant ranting about them). They need each other. Why else does even my local news talk about his retarded tweet-of-the-day? Make Presidents Boring Again!

 

[positivedoppler]

Reasons why I don't like Yang:
1. He's mandating for UBI, which I believe doesn't have any chance of coming to pass within the next 10 years. It's a very divisive policy that doesn't even have strong Democrat support currently. Regardless of whether you think it's a good idea, Republicans will tie it around his neck like an albatross and and we'll have four more years of Trump.
2. I don't like the direct approach to handouts from any candidate. It's too close to buying votes. Yes, in the future we'll have massive job loss from automation. But that's not the state of the economy now. We should be using our taxes to fix current problems and help the vulnerable, not tearing down the current system. And the US government shouldn't be creating more handouts while so massively in debt.

Reasons why he's not garnering more public support:
1. He's a political outsider with little experience, and hasn't had standout moments in the debates in my opinion. He doesn't have the ability to center attention around him like Trump did, and there's little reason to focus on him in general. He seems to have one focused idea he keeps coming back to, kind of like Bernie but without Bernie's experience.
2. His policies really don't appeal to the voters in the first couple primary states, so I would expect him to lose some momentum until through them. If he survives, he may start gaining momentum again.

i dont like ubi either, but its a good first in bringing attention to the issue. If Yang does win the presidency, I dont think he will really push for ubi. I suspect he is just using it to shine a light on the threat of automation.

 

[Ken g6]

Yang is a little too green for me. But not the environmental shade of green.

Found this on my car today:

Yeah, that shade of green.

Mixed with the inexperienced shade of green.

 

[woolfe9998]

i dont like ubi either, but its a good first in bringing attention to the issue. If Yang does win the presidency, I dont think he will really push for ubi. I suspect he is just using it to shine a light on the threat of automation.

He's running on it as his signature policy initiative. For him to not even try would be bad faith. It's better to just assume he would try and fail to get it passed.

 

[Vic]

It's not the liberals' fault that the media is too busy reporting on their favorite clown President to report on Yang.

Meanwhile, Yang's skin color has nothing with my opposition to the only issue in his political platform: UBI.

UBI is a scam being pushed by asset holding rent seekers in order to bribe regular people into accepting their ownership of literally everything. As in, pay no mind that they will own all the automation that put you out of work, and here's a monthly pittance to placate you.

 

[jackstar7]

Sometimes when people are joking, as you appear to be, they are actually telling the truth. Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of slavery.
Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of the KKK, originally.

The party label is fun, because over time it is associated with different groups of people.

Context isn't optional, you know?

 

[Vic]

Sometimes when people are joking, as you appear to be, they are actually telling the truth. Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of slavery.
Let's never forget the Democrats were the party of the KKK, originally.

Let's also not forget that that's a dishonest talking point that Republicans intentionally use to distract from the fact that the KKK votes Republican today.

 

[Maxima1]

UBI is a scam being pushed by asset holding rent seekers in order to bribe regular people into accepting their ownership of literally everything. As in, pay no mind that they will own all the automation that put you out of work, and here's a monthly pittance to placate you.

lolwut

UBI replaces the make-work bureaucratic BS, red-tape/limitations (e.g. forced to only have $2000 savings in bank accounts), and disincentives to work (e.g. lose Section 8 voucher if you make X amount).

 

[dainthomas]

UBI is a scam being pushed by asset holding rent seekers in order to bribe regular people into accepting their ownership of literally everything. As in, pay no mind that they will own all the automation that put you out of work, and here's a monthly pittance to placate you.

This is literally happening today. That "pittance" could keep people from getting thrown out into the streets if they lose their job.

The VAT that would help pay for it would make it impossible for large corporations and the wealthy to avoid paying their fair share.

The Freedom Dividend, Defined - Yang2020 - Andrew Yang for President

What is the Freeom Dividend? The 20 top questions asked about Universal Basic Income. How do we pay for it? Will people still work? Why give people money?

www.yang2020.com

lolwut

UBI replaces the make-work bureaucratic BS, red-tape/limitations (e.g. forced to only have $2000 savings in bank accounts), and disincentives to work (e.g. lose Section 8 voucher if you make X amount).

This

 

[IronWing]

A VAT is a sales tax, the most regressive form of taxation this side of FICA. The wealthy love VATs in place of progressive income taxes as it allows their wealth to grow unchecked.

 

[woolfe9998]

This is literally happening today. That "pittance" could keep people from getting thrown out into the streets if they lose their job.

The VAT that would help pay for it would make it impossible for large corporations and the wealthy to avoid paying their fair share.

The Freedom Dividend, Defined - Yang2020 - Andrew Yang for President

What is the Freeom Dividend? The 20 top questions asked about Universal Basic Income. How do we pay for it? Will people still work? Why give people money?

www.yang2020.com

This

What I like about UBI is that it adds to your current income so it doesn't disincentivize working. This is a common criticism conservatives make about welfare which does have some merit to it.

 

[Bitek]

This is literally happening today. That "pittance" could keep people from getting thrown out into the streets if they lose their job.

The VAT that would help pay for it would make it impossible for large corporations and the wealthy to avoid paying their fair share.

The Freedom Dividend, Defined - Yang2020 - Andrew Yang for President

What is the Freeom Dividend? The 20 top questions asked about Universal Basic Income. How do we pay for it? Will people still work? Why give people money?

www.yang2020.com

This

$12k ain't going to save you from shit.


JFC.. Dems can't even give away free money right.

He can't go around professing gloom and doom, then promise a measly bandaid and expect the voters to come running.

When the Rs promise free tax cut money, they can at least sell it as hopeful seed money where we all get rich afterwards on the exploding economy.

Didn't ever happen, but doesn't scare the shit out of you in the process. "Eh, it's probably bullshit... But.. just maybe it will work this time... Sure let's do it!"

 

[dainthomas]

A VAT is a sales tax, the most regressive form of taxation this side of FICA. The wealthy love VATs in place of progressive income taxes as it allows their wealth to grow unchecked.

1. Every developed country with a VAT has a lower wealth disparity than the United States.

2. This would be in addition to the income tax.

 

[dainthomas]

$12k ain't going to save you from shit.

I found the guy who's never been poor. Like poor poor.

The economy would absolutely explode as all that money starts flying around. It wouldn't be horded by the 1% or dumped into stock buybacks to artificially prop up the market.

 

[woolfe9998]

1. Every developed country with a VAT has a lower wealth disparity than the United States.

2. This would be in addition to the income tax.

That's probably because of what they're doing with the money. They have vastly larger and more secure safety nets than we do. It doesn't change the fact that VAT is regressive compared to progressive income tax.

I'm personally not wild about VAT and sales taxes as they are regressive and they discourage consumer spending, which in turn kills jobs. The use of VAT in Europe is probably one reason that unemployment rates are generally higher there than here.

If we're going to have UBI, it's better we do it with higher income taxes.

 

[Maxima1]

$12k ain't going to save you from shit.


JFC.. Dems can't even give away free money right.

He can't go around professing gloom and doom, then promise a measly bandaid and expect the voters to come running.

When the Rs promise free tax cut money, they can at least sell it as hopeful seed money where we all get rich afterwards on the exploding economy.

Didn't ever happen, but doesn't scare the shit out of you in the process. "Eh, it's probably bullshit... But.. just maybe it will work this time... Sure let's do it!"

How are the current programs doing it? One of the few that is substantial is Section 8 but it's highly distortionary and unfair.

 

[pmv]

It's not the liberals' fault that the media is too busy reporting on their favorite clown President to report on Yang.

Meanwhile, Yang's skin color has nothing with my opposition to the only issue in his political platform: UBI.

UBI is a scam being pushed by asset holding rent seekers in order to bribe regular people into accepting their ownership of literally everything. As in, pay no mind that they will own all the automation that put you out of work, and here's a monthly pittance to placate you.

I do fear that's what UBI might end up as

A means to keep a reserve army of labour just about alive, so they won't make the place too untidy by dying or turning to crime, and leaving them ready to be tapped into if you actually need some labour occasionally. But don't give them anything like enough to actually have a decent life.

I don't think everyone who suggests it has that in mind - I don't know what Yang's underlying motivation is - but it seems a big risk that's what we'll actually end up with.


(Yang probably is the wrong color. Apparently presidents these days are supposed to be orange. Orange is the new white.)

 

[Maxima1]

That's probably because of what they're doing with the money. They have vastly larger and more secure safety nets than we do. It doesn't change the fact that VAT is regressive compared to progressive income tax.

I'm personally not wild about VAT and sales taxes as they are regressive and they discourage consumer spending, which in turn kills jobs. The use of VAT in Europe is probably one reason that unemployment rates are generally higher there than here.

If we're going to have UBI, it's better we do it with higher income taxes.

If UBI is partially paid for by VAT, that isn't that big of a deal, since UBI certainly isn't regressive. The more well-off folks getting UBI would be paying a lot into VAT offsetting their benefit. One of the purposes for taxation is to control inflation, though I'd rather the focus be on real estate, since it's less distortionary than either sales or income.

I do fear that's what UBI might end up as

A means to keep a reserve army of labour just about alive, so they won't make the place too untidy by dying or turning to crime, and leaving them ready to be tapped into if you actually need some labour occasionally. But don't give them anything like enough to actually have a decent life.

I don't think everyone who suggests it has that in mind - I don't know what Yang's underlying motivation is - but it seems a big risk that's what we'll actually end up with.

(Yang probably is the wrong color. Apparently presidents these days are supposed to be orange. Orange is the new white.)

How is the current system better? The only significant long-term entitlement is Section 8 housing. To get a significant cash benefit long-term, you need to go on SSI/SSDI. Significant portion of workers are making somewhere between 0-18K or are completely out of the workforce not even participating (while also not on SSI/SSDI).

 

[pmv]

If UBI is partially paid for by VAT, that isn't that big of a deal, since UBI certainly isn't regressive. The more well-off folks getting UBI would be paying a lot into VAT offsetting their benefit. One of the purposes for taxation is to control inflation, though I'd rather the focus be on real estate, since it's less distortionary than either sales or income.




How is the current system better? The only significant long-term entitlement is Section 8 housing. To get a significant cash benefit long-term, you need to go on SSI/SSDI. Significant portion of workers are making somewhere between 0-18K or are completely out of the workforce not even participating (while also not on SSI/SSDI).

You might be right. It all seems very much a case of 'the devil is in the detail'. Ideally though one would hope to see a world where everyone participates, rather than one where a great mass of people merely exist.

 

[Maxima1]

You might be right. It all seems very much a case of 'the devil is in the detail'. Ideally though one would hope to see a world where everyone participates, rather than one where a great mass of people merely exist.

Hell, I didn't even know how bad it was (see FiveThirtyEight graphs).

This is the only cash transfer. I'm not sure why pols like AOC think basic income is a trojan horse when the so-called safety net is woefully inadequate and inefficient.

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[IronWing]

It's almost like the most important decision a person makes is whom to be born to.

 

[brycejones]

It's almost like the most important decision a person makes is whom to be born to.

See this is the fundamental problem of the poor. They made a bad decision in who their birth parents are. If you can't make good life choices out of the gate you should be perpetually punished for it.

 

[positivedoppler]

Hell, I didn't even know how bad it was (see FiveThirtyEight graphs).

This is the only cash transfer. I'm not sure why pols like AOC think basic income is a trojan horse when the so-called safety net is woefully inadequate and inefficient.

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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now show me the same plots with just asians

 

[pauldun170]

I found the guy who's never been poor. Like poor poor.

The economy would absolutely explode as all that money starts flying around. It wouldn't be horded by the 1% or dumped into stock buybacks to artificially prop up the market.

You are absolutely right that his statement appears based on ignorance.
12,000 is a LOT of money when you are poor.
Assuming current tax policy remains in place, a good chunk of that money is going to be net.

That amount covers rent and utilities. Even in my neck of the woods (VERY high costs of living) that amount covers rent and utilities.

Tossing stereotypes aside, having basic needs covered allows folks to now focus on things that help get themselves out of their situation. Whether its being able to have a reliable, insured car to get to work or to now finally sign up for some college classes (because before you were working 2-3 jobs and didn't have time.). It will impact crime rates as now it will reduce the pressures that lead to some pursuing criminal activity.

The trade-off of introducing is that now you end up with inflationary pressures. You introduce cultural and economic changes that are pretty wide ranging and way to much to cover on some random thread on the internet that no one is going to bother reading.