It's just off-topic bullshit thread derailment. What Sessions & Trump have done is obvious chickenshit in service to a larger agenda.
It's just off-topic bullshit thread derailment. What Sessions & Trump have done is obvious chickenshit in service to a larger agenda.
imported_tajmahal
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Obstruction of justice and having classified emails on a private and unauthorized server.
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I'm more concerned with who she will toss under the bus to preserve her from a long term prison sentence. She's low hanging fruit.
Evidence?
Is not in and of itself a crime. It's amazing how after all these years you still haven't even figured out the very basics of the crimes you're alleging against her. This isn't just dumb, it's lazy.
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bshole
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Don't call tajbot (I'm guessing its tajbot) lazy. He works very, very, very hard, in fact he is the hardest worker ever at maintaining his willful ignorance. Its really hard work to be so bigly stupid.
You're obviously more concerned with duh-verting from the topic at hand.
I for one am totally shocked that when taj was asked to back up his bullshit he was unable to. I do admit to some uncertainty though, I was unsure if he was just going to flatly refuse to answer or if he was going to link an ultra right wing website or opinion piece and claim that was evidence.
I agree he doesn't seem to be very intelligent but I think he's smart enough to know what he's doing. I don't think it's willful ignorance though; he does know better, he just doesn't care.
imported_tajmahal
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Hey! you've given Mueller a year and subpoena power to get something on Trump, at least give me some time! Now hold onto yourself.
No problem! What's an ETA on you providing evidence to back up your bullshit?
BonzaiDuck
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I must confess. I HAVE a CLASSIFIED "TOP SECRET" document on my computer. Technically, it could cause an inquiry if it weren't part of a larger sheath of papers. It is the page of a draft spy novel written by former Mexico City CIA Station Chief Win Scott. The novel is still unavailable to the public in its entirety: only some 25 pages were released to the National Archives under the 1992 Records Collection Act. When I photocopied the page in question, I forgot to include the "accession" stamp of the Archives showing that the document had been released under declassification. The NARA staff caught me after the first page of my photocopying. The remainder of the 25 pages all have the stamp.
In Clinton's case IIRC, the documents or e-mails had not yet been determined as requiring a classified restriction. We're not even sure if Clinton was responsible for determining the status of the document -- someone else may do that. So the documents/e-mails were classified after the fact.
Now the "deleted" e-mails might have had some chance of being resurrected by FBI forensic IT specialists. Nothing had been said about that to my knowledge either way. But one can easily conclude that such deletions would've been made for Home Depot, Sears, Nordstroms, Fresh and Easy -- wherever Madame Clinton told her staff to shop for the household.
Basically, the accusations against Clinton are based on either ignorance, foolish ideas about hyping some facts to a level still insufficient to prove a crime, gross exaggerations, or pure fantasy. There are no facts sufficient to prove anything.
With so many other FBI employees involved in those investigations, suppressing evidence would've been impossible. Ah! I know! They're all Dem-o-crats and part of some nefarious cabal and plot to obstruct justice!
As to a "perpetual witch-hunt" against the Traitor-in-Chief, I expect it to be terminated as soon as it is deemed unfruitful to spend more money on the pursuit of more facts. Unfortunately for the other side -- so impatient to terminate the Mueller investigation -- everything from the school-terror hoaxes of 2015-2016, Manafort's shenanigans from long before that, facts forming the basis of the CIA reports released after the election, The indictment of the 13 Russians and everything revealed since then -- are a trail of indications with multiple additional investigatory steps that still hold a probability of finding something more.
They already have enough for impeachment. But the Republicans don't have the balls or integrity for it.
In Clinton's case IIRC, the documents or e-mails had not yet been determined as requiring a classified restriction. We're not even sure if Clinton was responsible for determining the status of the document -- someone else may do that. So the documents/e-mails were classified after the fact.
Now the "deleted" e-mails might have had some chance of being resurrected by FBI forensic IT specialists. Nothing had been said about that to my knowledge either way. But one can easily conclude that such deletions would've been made for Home Depot, Sears, Nordstroms, Fresh and Easy -- wherever Madame Clinton told her staff to shop for the household.
Basically, the accusations against Clinton are based on either ignorance, foolish ideas about hyping some facts to a level still insufficient to prove a crime, gross exaggerations, or pure fantasy. There are no facts sufficient to prove anything.
With so many other FBI employees involved in those investigations, suppressing evidence would've been impossible. Ah! I know! They're all Dem-o-crats and part of some nefarious cabal and plot to obstruct justice!
As to a "perpetual witch-hunt" against the Traitor-in-Chief, I expect it to be terminated as soon as it is deemed unfruitful to spend more money on the pursuit of more facts. Unfortunately for the other side -- so impatient to terminate the Mueller investigation -- everything from the school-terror hoaxes of 2015-2016, Manafort's shenanigans from long before that, facts forming the basis of the CIA reports released after the election, The indictment of the 13 Russians and everything revealed since then -- are a trail of indications with multiple additional investigatory steps that still hold a probability of finding something more.
They already have enough for impeachment. But the Republicans don't have the balls or integrity for it.
Really. You care about emails
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/us/politics/private-email-trump-kushner-bannon.html
Funny. You only care when it was clinton doing it
Why are you not ranting about when the current administration is doing it
Why don't you give us all a honest answer about it
BonzaiDuck
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Just an idle speculation. In Artificial Intelligence textbooks, the primary example often used is the progress of a game -- like chess. There are business models of inverted tree structures with attached probabilities, such as discussed in Rappaport's "Decision Analysis."
One could create a similar inverted tree model for a strategy of investigating a crime. Incremental hypotheses between investigatory steps are either proven or disproven. If disproven, one would pursue an different node in the tree corresponding to yet-uncollected evidence.
Once there are enough failed incremental hypotheses, one can cut short the losses by terminating an investigation. If that thinking had been followed with the Benghazi hearings, they would not have lasted very long. Ah! But somebody scratched the scab of the e-mails! OK -- and that's done. And the audit of the Clinton foundation has been completed.
But to your avid rabid Trump supporter, it's not the facts that count. It's the length of time you can repeat charges of the various crimes to make them stick in the public eye.
It is funny to see the cop haters flip script here. If this was a cop in middle America who did what he did, lost his retirement there would be rejoicing. But since its a Trump hating FBI agent, its terrible. This investigation into him started last Summer. The FBI themselves, aka his peers, suggested he be fired. Ever think that he was fired at the last minute because they wanted to make sure, and not do it months ago? Dont want to lose your pension? Dont do shit to bring the hammer down on yourself. Few more FBI agents need to be looked into, the cheating, texting, high up FBI agents that worked under him. Of course I suppose they are perfect examples of FBI agents to some around here too.
I work on a Federal facility. We get a free pension, and a matched 401k. They do take our top three years minus not counting overtime, do some math that depends on several factors (how long worked, multiplying factor, we get 1.6x right now), and come up with an end result. We need 81 points to retire. You get one point for your age, and one point for year in service. So if you hire in at say 40, thats 40 points already. You get 2 points per year since it is one point per age year, and one point per year in service. So in 21 years, or 61 that person can retire. It has not been decades. However, anyone hired after August 15th, 2016 does not get the pension. They get a higher rate of matched money in their 401k.
We pay nothing into the pension, it is free. There are better, but hard to argue with free, plus a 401k.
I work on a Federal facility. We get a free pension, and a matched 401k. They do take our top three years minus not counting overtime, do some math that depends on several factors (how long worked, multiplying factor, we get 1.6x right now), and come up with an end result. We need 81 points to retire. You get one point for your age, and one point for year in service. So if you hire in at say 40, thats 40 points already. You get 2 points per year since it is one point per age year, and one point per year in service. So in 21 years, or 61 that person can retire. It has not been decades. However, anyone hired after August 15th, 2016 does not get the pension. They get a higher rate of matched money in their 401k.
We pay nothing into the pension, it is free. There are better, but hard to argue with free, plus a 401k.
Fenixgoon
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the basic benefit is withheld from your paycheck along with social security. TANSTAAFL.
https://www.opm.gov/retirement-services/fers-information/
Zorba
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I think the vast majority of "cop haters" here actually just hate it when cops kill unarmed people, usually persons of color, without any consequence. "Lack of candor" is hardly on the same level of killed an unarmed, innocent person for no reason. I don't recall ever seeing a large number of people on here hoping police are fired over vague minor infractions.
Further, Jeff Session has actually committed perjury, and has publicly demonstrated a lack of candor every time he has testified to the Senate.
So desperate. What's even funnier is a law & order president attacking the FBI for doing their job.
And, let's face it, an innocent man wouldn't act the way Trump acts. He's squealing way too loud for it to be true...
Not to mention that working on a govt facility for a contractor is not the same as career civil service like the FBI. Which one are you?
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