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Kazukian

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I knew what he said was false instantly upon reading it, how could you not? It never ceases to impress me how easily you and boomerang are duped.

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"Truck crash"
 

fskimospy

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"Truck crash"

And if you go to CNN and read about it their story is very clear that it is believed to be a terrorist attack. Looks like you just got duped AGAIN, hahaha.

Nice attempt to deflect away from just what an easy mark you are though. I for one am very concerned for you. :)
 

Kazukian

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And if you go to CNN and read about it their story is very clear that it is believed to be a terrorist attack. Looks like you just got duped AGAIN, hahaha.

Nice attempt to deflect away from just what an easy mark you are though. I for one am very concerned for you. :)

Ahh, I missed the memo that tells us truck crashes are the same as a terrorist attack.
 

fskimospy

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Ahh, I missed the memo that tells us truck crashes are the same as a terrorist attack.

They aren't the same thing, although some truck crashes can be terrorist attacks as it appears in this case. The CNN article goes into this in some depth in case you're interested.

I'm more interested in if you're too stupid to realize how easily played you are or if you're doing this on purpose like with your fake democratic concern trolling. I mean anyone with a brain knew that someone saying CNN only reported on republican defections was false instantly. How were you so easily fooled?
 

Kazukian

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They aren't the same thing, although some truck crashes can be terrorist attacks as it appears in this case. The CNN article goes into this in some depth in case you're interested.

I'm more interested in if you're too stupid to realize how easily played you are or if you're doing this on purpose like with your fake democratic concern trolling. I mean anyone with a brain knew that someone saying CNN only reported on republican defections was false instantly. How were you so easily fooled?

CNN has had a liberal bias for a very long time, studies done, etc to prove it. Fox goes right, CNN goes left. Not sure what planet or dimension you live on or in, but whatever works for you.
 

fskimospy

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CNN has had a liberal bias for a very long time, studies done, etc to prove it. Fox goes right, CNN goes left. Not sure what planet or dimension you live on or in, but whatever works for you.

Even if that were true, (and it's not), that doesn't explain how you were so incredibly easily fooled by an obvious lie. I'm very, very concerned for your ability to read and understand news.
 

Kazukian

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Even if that were true, (and it's not), that doesn't explain how you were so incredibly easily fooled by an obvious lie. I'm very, very concerned for your ability to read and understand news.

If you look at the time stamps, CNN hadn't posted the article or they just posted it when those post were made. CNN's article came several hours after Washington state's vote as well.

And if you can't admit CNN has a left leaning bias, that's on you.
 

fskimospy

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If you look at the time stamps, CNN hadn't posted the article or they just posted it when those post were made. CNN's article came several hours after Washington state's vote as well.

And if you can't admit CNN has a left leaning bias, that's on you.

No, that's not what the time stamps say. Jesus, dude. Use your brain.

Even if CNN were biased you're obviously too inept to determine it.
 

Kazukian

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No, that's not what the time stamps say. Jesus, dude. Use your brain.

Even if CNN were biased you're obviously too inept to determine it.

Rough day? You're pretty cranky for so early in the morning.

The Washington vote was recorded at 1PM Pacific or so, CNN's article was 7pm Eastern.
 

fskimospy

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Rough day? You're pretty cranky for so early in the morning.

The Washington vote was recorded at 1PM Pacific or so, CNN's article was 7pm Eastern.

I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say anymore other than an attempt to distract from how easily you were duped.

Today is a fine day though, thanks for asking! I know you are deeply concerned, haha.
 

Bird222

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theres an SNL video of Hillary (Kate McKinnon) asking a EC voter to switch to Tom Hanks. It was mildly amusing.


Oh, and as much as I dislike Trump, the idea of EC voters NOT doing what they're supposed to do is a very dangerous precedent and probably should not even be considered.

They're supposed to protect us from having a lunatic for president which they didn't. Read the federalist papers #68.
 

momeNt

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They're supposed to protect us from having a lunatic for president which they didn't. Read the federalist papers #68.
Federalist papers say the following "as it might be unsafe to permit less than a majority to be conclusive" - Hillary Clinton received 48% of the popular vote, the framers were genius. Hillary was absolutely the unsafe vote, and the clamoring to elect Hillary when she received a less than majority just reinforces the idea that the framers wanted to avoid stupid at all costs.

I wake up every day and thank those wonderful rebels for liberating this country from European ideology. Sadly though every day the cry for those same European ideals is getting louder and louder :(
 
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Not even as interesting as her mama. She'd better get a face transplant first. The Webb Hubbell look, or horse face, ain't gonna make it.
good to see you picking style over substance on a presidential candidate.
this is a seriously good looking man
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And if you go to CNN and read about it their story is very clear that it is believed to be a terrorist attack. Looks like you just got duped AGAIN, hahaha.

Nice attempt to deflect away from just what an easy mark you are though. I for one am very concerned for you. :)
no, no no, he's just very concerned, and clearly this wasn't a crash, it was um, an, um... pedestrian impact?
 

fskimospy

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Federalist papers say the following "as it might be unsafe to permit less than a majority to be conclusive" - Hillary Clinton received 48% of the popular vote, the framers were genius. Hillary was absolutely the unsafe vote, and the clamoring to elect Hillary when she received a less than majority just reinforces the idea that the framers wanted to avoid stupid at all costs.

Okay so if Clinton was unsafe because she got 48% of the vote, what do you think about the person who got 46% of the vote? ;)

If you go read the federalist papers more closely you'll see that they envisioned the electoral college as a bulwark against a demagogue like Trump, which of course it failed at. The electoral college is a dumb and archaic system that was created to perpetuate slavery but it being able to prevent the election of unstable people like Trump was supposed to be its one useful attribute. Now it doesn't even have that, haha.

I wake up every day and thank those wonderful rebels for liberating this country from European ideology. Sadly though every day the cry for those same European ideals is getting louder and louder :(

They aren't European ideals, they are held all over the world. It does make me happy to know that you agree we are on a steady course towards these ideals though.
 
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momeNt

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Okay so if Clinton was unsafe because she got 48% of the vote, what do you think about the person who got 46% of the vote? ;)

If you go read the federalist papers more closely you'll see that they envisioned the electoral college as a bulwark against a demagogue like Trump, which of course it failed at. The electoral college is a dumb and archaic system that was created to perpetuate slavery but it being able to prevent the election of unstable people like Trump was supposed to be its one useful attribute. Now it doesn't even have that, haha.



They aren't European ideals, they are held all over the world. It does make me happy to know that you agree we are on a steady course towards these ideals though.

Failing to see the usefulness of the EC is because the level of federal involvement in day to day policy has become overwhelming. People want a direct impact on the Presidential election because so much policy is set at the federal level. I see this actually as a failure of the Constitution and the Supreme Court to allow the Federal government to have such an influence.

Had most of the policy that impacted our lives on a constant basis originated at a state level, as the framers envisioned, then I believe our state ties would be much stronger than they are, and the EC would be more widely supported.

We are very nationalist now like European countries, as opposed to a Union. We have sacrificed the granular level of control at the state level for sweeping policy changes at the federal level, the push now is to become more global, as Hillary and a lot of other big players in Washington want. Trump potentially (i say potentially because who really knows) signals a return to a less global policy, and maybe a return to a more state-centric level of thinking (via his well run state campaign vs Hillary's national campaign missing Wisconsin in favor of really big picture stuff).

We will see how it shakes out. Chances are Trump is a small blip in a march towards globalization and a fairly equal standard of laws and living across the modern world. I'm not sure that's a good thing, as it allows for very little control at smaller levels to accommodate cultural differences. It will be as the federalist papers say "Tyranny of the majority".
 

agent00f

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Not even as interesting as her mama. She'd better get a face transplant first. The Webb Hubbell look, or horse face, ain't gonna make it.

Just quoting to archive this as the sort of shitstains naturally attracted to sugar daddy trump.
 

fskimospy

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Failing to see the usefulness of the EC is because the level of federal involvement in day to day policy has become overwhelming. People want a direct impact on the Presidential election because so much policy is set at the federal level. I see this actually as a failure of the Constitution and the Supreme Court to allow the Federal government to have such an influence.

The Constitution was written for the express purpose of expanding the power of the federal government, something it has done successfully. It's not a failure, it was the whole point.

Had most of the policy that impacted our lives on a constant basis originated at a state level, as the framers envisioned, then I believe our state ties would be much stronger than they are, and the EC would be more widely supported.

Most of the policy that impacts our lives on a constant basis DOES originate at the state level. In fact, it's not even close. Go look at the laws and regulations that affect your day to day life, almost all of them are probably state laws/regulations. This is why people so often note the silliness of such large turnout for federal elections as compared to state and local ones. More people vote for federal elections that mean little to their lives as opposed to state/local which can mean a ton.

I doubt the EC would be more widely supported though as it violates pretty widely held ideas of fairness. Every other elected office in the US that I am aware of goes to the person who got the greatest numbers of votes from their constituents and people want that for the president as well.

We are very nationalist now like European countries, as opposed to a Union. We have sacrificed the granular level of control at the state level for sweeping policy changes at the federal level, the push now is to become more global, as Hillary and a lot of other big players in Washington want. Trump potentially (i say potentially because who really knows) signals a return to a less global policy, and maybe a return to a more state-centric level of thinking (via his well run state campaign vs Hillary's national campaign missing Wisconsin in favor of really big picture stuff).

We will see how it shakes out. Chances are Trump is a small blip in a march towards globalization and a fairly equal standard of laws and living across the modern world. I'm not sure that's a good thing, as it allows for very little control at smaller levels to accommodate cultural differences. It will be as the federalist papers say "Tyranny of the majority".

I can't imagine a plausible situation in our lifetimes (or even our children's lifetimes) where there would be 'very little control' to accommodate cultural differences.
 

agent00f

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Failing to see the usefulness of the EC is because the level of federal involvement in day to day policy has become overwhelming. People want a direct impact on the Presidential election because so much policy is set at the federal level. I see this actually as a failure of the Constitution and the Supreme Court to allow the Federal government to have such an influence.

Had most of the policy that impacted our lives on a constant basis originated at a state level, as the framers envisioned, then I believe our state ties would be much stronger than they are, and the EC would be more widely supported.

We are very nationalist now like European countries, as opposed to a Union. We have sacrificed the granular level of control at the state level for sweeping policy changes at the federal level, the push now is to become more global, as Hillary and a lot of other big players in Washington want. Trump potentially (i say potentially because who really knows) signals a return to a less global policy, and maybe a return to a more state-centric level of thinking (via his well run state campaign vs Hillary's national campaign missing Wisconsin in favor of really big picture stuff).

We will see how it shakes out. Chances are Trump is a small blip in a march towards globalization and a fairly equal standard of laws and living across the modern world. I'm not sure that's a good thing, as it allows for very little control at smaller levels to accommodate cultural differences. It will be as the federalist papers say "Tyranny of the majority".

That's hilarious you think ultra-nationalists might return to state level thinking, esp now that they're in the driver's seat, like they have principles or something.